Law Originalism Is Going to Get Women Killed - Due process? Who needs it?

American law has not historically been good to women, and whatever progress there once was is now vulnerable to regression. This return is being midwifed into the world by the theory of constitutional interpretation known as originalism—the idea that a law’s constitutionality today is dependent on the Constitution’s purported “original public meaning” when the relevant constitutional text was enacted. Its adherents market originalism as fair and free from favor or prejudice—but its effects are not and will not be fair at all. By its very nature, originalism threatens women and other minority groups who were disempowered at the time of the Constitution’s adoption. We must instead develop a new constitutional interpretative method that protects all Americans as equal members of our democratic society.

The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals demonstrated as much when it relied on originalism in United States v. Rahimi, a case about a law restricting the gun rights of domestic-violence offenders, last week. The central legal issue in Rahimi was not whether protecting women and children from gun violence is good; the court conceded that it is. Rather, the question before the court was whether protecting women and children from gun violence is constitutional. And the court concluded that it is not.

A three-judge panel unanimously ruled that the Second Amendment was violated by a federal statute that made possessing a gun unlawful for a person who is subject to a restraining order in protection of an intimate partner or child. Its explanation for this dangerous ruling was a straightforward application of originalism. The Founders mentioned a right to keep and bear arms in the Constitution. They did not, however, mention women, who are disproportionately victimized by domestic violence. And although today’s lawmakers may care about women’s rights, they cannot deviate from the Founders’ wishes without a formal constitutional amendment. This will almost assuredly have very real, potentially fatal consequences for women in America: The presence of a gun in a domestic-violence situation increases the risk of femicide by more than 1,000 percent. Originalism is going to get women killed.

United States v. Rahimi is the latest example of the intolerable hazard that originalism poses to women’s lives and our democratic society. Originalist ideology glorifies an era of blatant oppression along racial, gender, and class lines, transforming that era’s lowest shortcomings into our highest standards. The country and the Constitution do not belong to the nation’s white and wealthy forefathers alone. But the consequence of chaining constitutional interpretation to a time when much of the country was much worse off and only a rarefied few held power is as foreseeable as it is deadly: Huge swaths of the population will be worse off once again. Originalism is fundamentally incompatible with a legal system interested in protecting the rights of all of the nation’s people.

The law at issue in Rahimi survived multiple constitutional challenges in the Fifth Circuit prior to originalism’s intervention. The same circuit court most recently reaffirmed its legality in 2020 in United States v. McGinnis, holding that the statute was reasonably adapted to the compelling government interest of reducing domestic gun abuse. This would have directly foreclosed the argument made in Rahimi if not for the Supreme Court’s June 2022 decision in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen. In Bruen, the Court announced a strict new originalist standard for evaluating the constitutionality of laws regulating guns. A gun law is now valid only if it is “consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation.” And even then, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote for the majority, “not all history is created equal.” (This is how the Bruen Court justified striking down a law that had been on the books for more than a century.) The elected branches must prove to the judiciary that a sufficiently analogous regulation existed roughly 230 years ago, when the Second Amendment was adopted, or potentially 155 years ago, when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted.

There’s a certain level of absurdity to this exercise. The Supreme Court essentially disallowed the country’s lawmakers from developing new solutions to the national gun crisis and instead sent the people’s representatives on archival scavenger hunts. “When a challenged regulation addresses a general societal problem that has persisted since the 18th century,” Thomas wrote in Bruen, “the lack of a distinctly similar historical regulation addressing that problem is relevant evidence that the challenged regulation is inconsistent with the Second Amendment.” Instead of counseling, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it,” originalism instructs, “If it’s still broken, you still can’t fix it”—a prescription for permanent crises in America, unsolvable in the present because they were not solved in the past.

The government jumped through the required hoops and proffered various historical analogues for the statute at issue in Rahimi. All were rejected. The Fifth Circuit’s rationale for doing so was sometimes disturbing. The government pointed to laws in several colonies and states that disarmed classes of persons considered dangerous—namely, enslaved people and Indigenous people. The Fifth Circuit said that the domestic abusers’ restriction was insufficiently similar, because it disarms people after individualized findings of credible threats to other identified persons, whereas the historical laws disarmed classes of people deemed a threat to the political and social order. Put plainly, the law was held unconstitutional because it disarmed citizens for reasons other than the brazen enforcement of white supremacy.

That it would be challenging to identify colonial laws that took violence against women seriously is not a surprise. Indeed, not until 1920 was wife-beating made unlawful in every state. Finding no historical tradition of disarming people who abuse women, the Fifth Circuit is allowing them to keep their guns. The court concluded that the statute’s ban on domestic-violence offenders possessing guns is an “outlier that our ancestors would have never accepted.” Whose ancestors is unclear. The court does not say whether it includes the ancestors of the 4.5 million women alive today in the United States who have been threatened with a gun by an intimate partner. Or the hundreds of victims of gunmen who first committed acts of violence against the women in their life—a reliable bellwether for mass shootings. Originalism limits who gets to be a part of “our” and who is entitled to the Constitution’s rights and protections.

The country is ill-served by a judiciary that uplifts an alleged original understanding of the Constitution over the public interest and makes false claims of objectivity to obscure oppression. The first drafters of the document articulated important, inclusive democratic ideals but did not yet know how to live up to them. The courts must stop rejecting everything we’ve learned over hundreds of years and calling doing so wisdom. Lives quite literally depend on it.



These weasels absolutely refuse to try to amend the Constitution to match their progressive 'dream' for America because that would require the consent of the governed, which includes those filthy red state plebs.
 
Overweight white woman who needs a bra ❌
Overweight troon wearing a woman's bra ❌
Overweight black woman who needs a bra ✅

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It's always one of those three groups. Every damn time.
 
They 100% believe in the notion of precrime, observe: -The country is ill-served by a judiciary that uplifts an alleged original understanding of the Constitution over the public interest

Oh, I wouldn't say they 100% believe in precrime. That's why all their stupid "red flag" laws specifically exclude gang membership.

If we're going to cross the Rubicon of taking away people's constitutional rights in the name of safety, we can get much higher ROI by:
  1. Reintroducing segregation. Places without blacks are provably safer than places with them.
  2. Taking away women's right to vote. Women are provably more likely to support policies that endanger the public because Muh Crying Brown Kid or Muh Poor Sad Homeless Man.
  3. Ban interracial dating and marriage. Proven high risk of domestic violence.
  4. Ban unmarried women with children from living with men they aren't married to. Again, provably high rate of child abuse here.
  5. Stop-and-Frisk. Even the courts had to admit it worked. They just argued that it violated rights.
No need to change the Constitution to do any of these. Remember, we've all agreed that "it makes the public safer" is a sufficient argument to abrogate rights. So, let's get to it! Any right a woman or black has that makes us less safe has got to go.
 
I’m always amused how women are in favor of violent felon niggers running wild and free but some dorky white guy who’d never hurt a fly glances at her in an elevator for a second means he needs to have all his rights taken away immediately. Muh tingles drive women’s thinking more than they want to admit, maybe even more than guys thinking with their small head. Prove me wrong!
 
>The Atlantic

Ah yes, the jizzrag for whom David Frum writes. That beady-eyed neocon toad said there's "no such thing as a responsible gun owner".

Piss off.
 
I'll have to read the opinion but I imagine it pertains to ex parte preliminary restraining orders, meaning they are issued without the man being present in court to defend himself. That should definitely violate the 2a as well as guarantees about due process and all that.
 
I'll have to read the opinion but I imagine it pertains to ex parte preliminary restraining orders, meaning they are issued without the man being present in court to defend himself. That should definitely violate the 2a as well as guarantees about due process and all that.
That's also why Red Flag laws are unconstitutional. According to the 6th Amendment, you have a right to confront your accuser in court. We are not supposed to have secret tribunals.
No need to change the Constitution to do any of these. Remember, we've all agreed that "it makes the public safer" is a sufficient argument to abrogate rights. So, let's get to it! Any right a woman or black has that makes us less safe has got to go.
Liberals love trying to use "muh emergency" or "muh public safety" as a cheat code to get what they want unopposed.
 
I'll have to read the opinion but I imagine it pertains to ex parte preliminary restraining orders, meaning they are issued without the man being present in court to defend himself. That should definitely violate the 2a as well as guarantees about due process and all that.
It does, and courts have ruled as such already... meaning Red Flag laws will also fall, unless they have a public hearing provision in them, instead of how they are currently written: Wherein the cops take your guns on say-so of a person who feels threatened, you won't know it's been done until the officers show up on your doorstep, and you can then go to court and argue for them back.

But by then, they've made up their minds they were right, you're SOL and even if you prevail, you'll only get an apology, not your guns back.

The cops will claim an "inventory mistake" means they can't find them when truth is, they probably sold them out the backdoor the night they confiscated them and laughed about it, and your gun is now being used by a retired State Trooper on a gun range upstate who tells all his buddies he got it free via red flag from some "dumbass whose girlfriend didn't like him".
 
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It does, and courts have ruled as such already... meaning Red Flag laws will also fall, unless they have a public hearing provision in them, instead of how they are currently written: Wherein the cops take your guns on say-so of a person who feels threatened, you won't know it's been done until the officers show up on your doorstep, and you can then go to court and argue for them back.
The thing that most people don't understand is that it's already basically red flag now. But if you're taken in to a hospital you they usually do a 72 hour hold no matter what, but if you're in real dangerous shape they'll let you volunteer for longer. But it's a very conditional volunteer, if they feel like you're bad enough that'll adjudicate you for as long as they want and that wrecks your gun rights.

The thing is they'll usually only pay for what insurance will cover and adjudication like that is usually fairly tough to get, a bit like a dishonorable discharge from the military-level. At least there's some kind of hearing though on these. Just 'guy scares me' just isn't enough. And, of course, the main thing is that no matter what, you can usually still get a gun even if you're a prohibited person if you have any awareness.

This whole thing is just media frenzy bullshit. It's always something with them, and that's why being a gun owner/fan is a pain because the left is constantly looking for any excuse to wreck you for it.
 
:story: yeah that's why women get shorter sentences for the same crimes if convicted, and are less frequently convicted, and are disproportionately favored in divorce court, and so on, and so forth.
you know, people have been pushing for "equity" after dumping equality
saying that the outcome needs to be the same for all
and you know what? fuck it, let's do that
women will be given the same sentences as men
blacks will be given the same sentences as white
 
I am sure this author is equally appalled by the abolition of cash bail with no reasonable alternative that will kill more women this year than correct interpretation of the Constitution.
 
you mean with other men than the father?

get married or go to jail, it's for safety

We should also note that "women are too unsafe to waste time on due process" is the whole rational behind Title IX sexual assault tribunals on campus. Accused men are generally not allowed to know the charges against them or face their accusers. The entire investigation is Soviet-tier, and it's all promoted by our federal government on the grounds that sexual assault is too serious of a crime to allow the courts to handle, because due process means there's some chance a guilty man might go free.
 
I jokingly said 'prove it' and she just rolled her eyes and said I was being rude lol.
I don't know a single woman who's ever been in an honest to god fight. As kids, all boys fight at some point or another. It's a growing and bonding experience. Helps us learn to respect one another. Never seen a chick throw a punch at another chick. Doesn't surprise me a lot of women have misconceptions they can fight off a grown man actually trying. Anyone without actual experience makes the same mistake. Too many modern action movies putting the wrong idea in their heads.
 
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