Official Kiwifarms White people-hate thread

[Dr. Arinsu]

Wait White People Exist? I thought it was a myth to scare people into being good.

 

[Exterminate Leftists]

The reality is you're a fat slovenly NEET who, if you really were as openly hateful as you say, you'd probably be barred from every establishment, probably get beaten all the time, and it wouldn't be just blacks and spanish people who avoid you... it would be other white people too, because you probably smell and probably don't have anything intelligent to say.

This is pure projection.

 

[skykiii]

This is pure projection.

Cope moar.

 

[Male Idiot]

Whypeopo don't season they chickens!

Plus they haven't managed to eradicste Kangz, failing their creator the Double brained Yakub.

 

[skykiii]

I'm becoming convinced that racism is a low-IQ trait. I've just never met a racist who could hold a coherent conversation without essentially degrading into mudslinging.

I also notice no one ever has an answer to the "if X race was actually like this, they would have gone extinct" point that I keep bringing up. Almost as if these people fail the breakfast question and just can't understand hypotheticals.

In a previous debate I had linked to this wiki article about the Kender, a D&D race who are described... well, imagine how Kiwis describe black people, except the Kender are actually like that. As the author points out, the only reason the Kender survive is because the authors said so--in any sort of realistic setting/reality itself, they all would be extinct. Same goes for a lot of Kiwi theories about blacks, Indians, and to an extent even whites (although that last one I may have to eat my words on).

The argument in question, in case you missed it earlier.

And like I said, KF in particular has little grasp on reality. If I'm an example of "ivory tower hands" then so is 90% of America. If it was true that merely interacting with other races made you racist, then we would be a white ethnostate by now and anti-racism would never have caught on. It requires extreme mental gymnastics for racial beliefs to ever take off.

Just to be clear, when I say "racism is a low-IQ trait" I'm including anti-white racism in that as well.

If you live in an area that is high-crime, consider first maybe the government and incentives are the problem.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

As racism threads go, this one is one of the most boring. You can get better anti-white racism watching a hollywood movie or trying to pick up a girl.

 

[skykiii]

As racism threads go, this one is one of the most boring. You can get better anti-white racism watching a hollywood movie or trying to pick up a girl.

True but at least this thread sticks to reality (to some extent) rather than what Hollywood does, which just says we're all conditioned to be evil.

Page one's "white people are susceptible to self-harming ideology" is way more accurate, if way less dramatic.

EDIT:
Still waiting for someone to answer that "if this stuff was true these races would've died out" thing to ever get an answer, BTW.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

if this stuff was true these races would've died out

If what stuff?

 

[skykiii]

If what stuff?

I'm primarily thinking of this thread, which posits the idea that black people can't conceptualize the future and literally see what happened fifteen seconds ago as happening to a different person, making them unable to plan or act rationally.

This is almost literally how the D&D race called The Kender work, and as that article describes, in any realistic setting they would have gone extinct (and only don't because the writers are hacks). Same with blacks--if they really did have this legendary stupidity and inability to conceptualize and plan for the future, then they would never have built any sort of society, never any sort of housing structure, would never have been able to keep their babies alive.... in short, they would not still be around today. The fact that they are still around debunks the theory--when I presented this case on Onionfarms, the only thing the racist moron there could come up with is "well they kept getting bailed out by whiteys." You might as well say they were being protected by space aliens--it would be just as historically believable.

Not long ago some idiot posted a copypasta about Indians believing in "Izzat." Which is a real thing, but not the way that copypasta describes. It's just standard-issue honor, like literally every culture on Earth has or had at one point (even white people used to have duels, which people like Cardinal Richeliu had to outlaw because it was leading to good soldiers dying in the streets rather than in wars with enemy nations). The "Izzat" copypasta presents it as almost like a brain-control bug, which... its not.

Seriously, racist Kiwis are so fucking gullible, I could make up a copypasta about how the Japanese think God is a loli with katanas for wings and whose symbol is a Power Ranger and thus the Japanese literally worship the Power Rangers, and you fucktards would believe it even though anyone with brains can debunk that five different ways. Hell, now I think someone's gonna actually do this, just to see who bites.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

-if they really did have this legendary stupidity and inability to conceptualize and plan for the future, then they would never have built any sort of society, never any sort of housing structure, would never have been able to keep their babies alive

You want me to opine on a 4chan shitpost?

I'll tackle this argument. Are you suggesting that what ants are doing is conceptualising plans for the future, rather than instinctual evolutionary cooperation? Ants as I'm sure you know engage in farming, warfare, sacrificing themselves for the colony as a whole, sterile workers bringing food to a defenseless queen and so on.

Not defending their shitpost theory, just tackling this argument specifically.

 

[plastic Consumer]

in any realistic setting they would have gone extinct (and only don't because the writers are hacks). Same with blacks--if they really did have this legendary stupidity and inability to conceptualize and plan for the future, then they would never have built any sort of society, never any sort of housing structure, would never have been able to keep their babies alive.... in short, they would not still be around today.

Blacks never built any sort of society (as Europeans would define it), never built anything past mud huts, and have extremely high infant mortality rates.
You know what else doesn't have society or houses, and high infant mortality? Shit tons of animals, flies, sharks, etc. You don't need concepts of the future and past to survive, or else most animal species and bugs would have died out.
The one problem with that fantasy race seem to be that they live in a cold climate, they, like blacks, would die in places where there is winter and nothing propping them up artificially.
This is according to the "racists' winter theory", which theorizes blacks never developed future planning and societies because they didn't have to, while whites did because they had winters and you had to plan ahead in order to survive through them by stocking up on food and working with others.

The conclusion that "The Kender" would die out during the winter, therefore blacks and dark skinned people irl (who evolved in hot, sunny climates) would die out in already built european societies or their own hot, sunny climates, isn't logical. Its funny to compare kender to blacks because the reason black majority countries never have any infrastructure despite all the funding that gets sent there, is because when they start building, the material gets stolen then sold to another company, and then it gets stolen there, so nothing gets built, and if it does, it gets taken apart and sold. Its a pretty solid comparison.

 

[skykiii]

You want me to opine on a 4chan shitpost?

I'll tackle this argument. Are you suggesting that what ants are doing is conceptualising plans for the future, rather than instinctual evolutionary cooperation? Ants as I'm sure you know engage in farming, warfare, sacrificing themselves for the colony as a whole, sterile workers bringing food to a defenseless queen and so on.

Not defending their shitpost theory, just tackling this argument specifically.

The nice thing is that you're at least indicating that you don't take the shitpost seriously/at face value. That's a lot better than a lot of people I've seen here.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

The nice thing is that you're at least indicating that you don't take the shitpost seriously/at face value. That's a lot better than a lot of people I've seen here.

I appreciate it.

Do you plan to engage with my rebuttal to your argument?

 

[JustBarbie]

Blacks never built any sort of society (as Europeans would define it)

This is obviously not true, neither today with the modern post-colonial states especially in East Africa being moderately successful given their starting conditions, nor is it true when looking at the past where the Mali and Ethiopian empires existed which were absolutely accepted as peer sub-Saharan societies (see for example the 1375 Catalan Atlas). I am actually curious now, how would you think europeans define a society.

never built anything past mud huts

When people are talking about Africans never having built anything more sophisticated than mud huts, they often bring up the great mosque of djenne, at least that is an example I have often seen accompanied by this claim.

It’s actually built using Adobe walls which absolutely can be described as mudbricks.

However those were not only used in Africa but also found extensive use in Latin and South America. It is often used when other building materials are not readily available. Djenne for example is located in the Sahel zone, between the Sahara desert and the African rainforests much further south.

As another example for African architecture you can take a look at Ethiopian palaces, churches and fortresses such as Fasil Ghebbi, the mansion of Dungur or the Lalibela churches which were entirely hewn out of the rock.

High infant mortality rates due to disease are simply an effect of poverty and lack of medical supplies. There is a reason why Africa was known as the dark continent until well into the 19th century. Because explorers would often just die relatively quickly from malaria, yellow fever etc.

This is according to the "racists' winter theory", which theorizes blacks never developed future planning and societies because they didn't have to, while whites did because they had winters and you had to plan ahead in order to survive through them by stocking up on food and working with others.

Any culture with agriculture very clearly shows the ability to plan ahead. Where Europeans have the winter Africans have dry seasons (I generalize here, for example South Africa absolutely has winters including snow, but you get the gist).
Besides africans absolutely built granaries.

I'll tackle this argument. Are you suggesting that what ants are doing is conceptualising plans for the future, rather than instinctual evolutionary cooperation? Ants as I'm sure you know engage in farming, warfare, sacrificing themselves for the colony as a whole, sterile workers bringing food to a defenseless queen and so on.

When arguing against this argument it would help if you would actually spell it out. From your insinuation it seems like you want to pursue the argument that black people do not plan ahead but merely act on an instinctual level just like ants and other insects.

First, how exactly does this argument apply to black people specifically and not to other races as well. The question of free will and how much of our lives is just driven by instincts or even fate is a question for philosophers and not for this KF thread.

Secondly, I am no philosopher but I would argue the difference is in the ability in the change of behavior given different environmental conditions. Ants live their lives no matter whether they are in a colony in a forest somewhere or in a trash heap in the middle of a metropolis.

People on the other hand do change, where most cultures are doing some form of agriculture, others are primarily pastoralists (such as the Masaii or the Sami) living from what their herds provide them, others again are still living in hunter gatherer societies (especially in the Jungles, also in South America or Sentinel Island).

Others again are living in cities trying to provide some form of value from their work in order to obtain some universal substitute for labor (i.e. Money) which they can exchange for goods and services.

Ultimately all these examples are working towards the same goal of providing for their families and themselves and all of the can be found on the African continent.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

From your insinuation it seems like you want to pursue the argument that black people do not plan ahead but merely act on an instinctual level just like ants and other insects.

Again, I don't hold that view. I was only saying that the specific argument that skykiii made didn't hold water, which was exactly the bit I quoted.

how exactly does this argument apply to black people specifically and not to other races as well.

I agree in the sense that this is worth examining. How would you know that any individual is cognitively planning ahead or following instinct?

I don't think it needs to examine free will as you say later, because engaging in actions that look like planning ahead can arguably both happen instinctually as it can as a function of planning ahead cognitively. For example a spider making a web probably isn't doing so as a kind of creative cognitive planning ahead, but the action looks like planning ahead.

Ants live their lives no matter whether they are in a colony in a forest somewhere or in a trash heap in the middle of a metropolis.

Yet with wildly different types of ants. There are ants that do farming for example. They bring leaves to fungi, then harvest the fungi for eating. You've got other type of ants that engage in a kind of cattle raising where they protect, feed and milk aphids.

Ultimately all these examples are working towards the same goal

I mean that's pretty much my counterpoint to the idea that farming, cattle raising are necessarily proof of forethought, because we know species that do it instinctually. The fact that you say you could apply it all races does nothing to diminish that.

I wasn't saying that I agreed with what @skykiii mentioned from another thread is true, only that this part of his argument against it was insufficient.

 

[babyDunk]

Thread is boring. Please denouce white people in a funnier manner!

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I hate what a bunch of pussies, what disgusting little worms, White "people" are.

 

[plastic Consumer]

Mali and Ethiopian empires existed which were absolutely accepted as peer sub-Saharan societies

Literal mud huts, albeit fancy ones.

great mosque of djenne

This thing is a mudhut that has to be constantly rebuilt every year because its made of mud and didn't exactly look like it did now till the 1900s because it fell into disrepair multiple times. Lets say it looked exactly the same though, here's how it looks, supposedly built in the 1300s, compared to a European religious center in 1205:

Fasidiles castle

Yeah, the peak architectural achievement of Ethopia in the 17th century, this is European architecture around the same time:

No I'm not cherrypicking, you chose the BEST afro/ethopian/somalian/whatever architecture you could find and I just found European architecture built around the same time.

When I said society, I meant comparable to European society, colloquially I don't count living in tents or mud huts as a "society". "Dry seasons" won't push a people to adapt like harsh winters would, its not comparable, and the amount of farming Africans could be seen doing, and the type, is not really comparable either.

 

[skykiii]

I appreciate it.

Do you plan to engage with my rebuttal to your argument?

You'll have to be prepared for long delays. After all, it is the Holidays and I already don't check KF often as it is.

But I'm sure you can handle it. You likely were granted both the floater and climbing skill and could build bridges if you needed to.

........

Oh, here's an observation:

The Sega Genesis was black, the SNES was white. SNES has a tendency to yellow, either in part or in full. This is of course commentary on how white people tend to idolize Asian (specifically Japanese) culture. But the Genesis is always black.

What does this mean? Other than that I'm being silly again?

 

[Chunky Salsa]

It should be noted that the 'great' Mosque was built by French colonists.
This, is it before the French.

Much like with the 'city' of Benin, it was a single story at most. Even the 'prosperous' black nations were largely just about the same level as the beakers, with some odd bits of Arab and European trade tossed in to give them hammered bronze and written language.