Null and MikeyNohMore are wrong about RW cohesion and "gatekeeping" - Mein Kope: A Settlement of (online) accounts & The Internet's Chud Movement

[lurker7274519]

I read for as long as I could, and I mostly agree, could not read the other 80% of the article because of formating.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Holy fuck nigger paragraphs! Ever heard of them?

 

[crushedrocks]

How does this make me be more self sufficient?

 

[Fujoshi_Nationalist]

How does this make me be more self sufficient?

Not my call:

 

[Beelzebub's Lawyer]

But the overlap and efforts to organize and unionize into a single etiquette (let's say, Pronouns and rejection of IQ) it's undeniably present

That is the biggest bullshit here and this is one of the main things I was thinking when I was typing my post.
Just because the woke radical left that is all in on the pronouns and troons and communism and other weird shit is the most vocal one, doesn't mean that this is the left.

You've mentioned "liberals" as one of the 3 groups.
What do you mean by that?
What is a liberal to you?

 

[Scout Trooper]

Not my call:

So you only read half of his response to you, huh?

 

[Fujoshi_Nationalist]

So you only read half of his response to you, huh?

There. Jesus.

 

[>-Ack!]

i pray this is A.I generated and you didn't write up this cringe

 

[Fujoshi_Nationalist]

i pray this is A.I generated and you didn't write up this cringe

Whats wrong with it?

 

[lurker7274519]

I read for as long as I could, and I mostly agree, could not read the other 80% of the article because of formating.

I read the rest of it, after it was reformatted, I maintain this opinion .

There is no unified "left-wing tent" either and if you think there is, you've never talked to any of them.

Yes, but they are much more capable of standing together than the right wing. The leftwing is full of selfcanibalization, but they rarely go full excomunicado with someone.

 

[Fujoshi_Nationalist]

That is the biggest bullshit here and this is one of the main things I was thinking when I was typing my post.
Just because the woke radical left that is all in on the pronouns and troons and communism and other weird shit is the most vocal one, doesn't mean that this is the left.

You've mentioned "liberals" as one of the 3 groups.
What do you mean by that?
What is a liberal to you?

> Whats a liberal
Promoters of Mixed conomy, socially liberal
>What do you mean by that
Please it's pretty self evident
Woke is 1 to 1 overlap to anyone in the left. Even more pro-anonymity and free speech groups like, let's say, Leftypol pretty much still falls into the rage of woke-ism.
>THERE EXIST THIS ONE CIRCLE WHERE YOU CAN SAY NIGGER
Okay. You need to understand that exceptions don't make the rule or the median or the average.

 

[meager]

Thank you for your wise words, Mr. Fujoshi Nationalist.

 

[Fujoshi_Nationalist]

Thank you for your wise words, Mr. Fujoshi Nationalist.

Thanks.

also an open invitation to @MikeyNohMore and @Null to tell me what they think!

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

For the love of the game, I'm actually going to assess your argument on its own merits, regardless of its dogshit presentation and cringe discussion


The way I see it, you are making a plausible argument and fucking over your own position by sliding between different claims
Let's count together:
1. There is no unified right wing coalition
2. A formal right-wing coalition would be futile
3. Gatekeeping is impossible
4. Internal criticism cannot destroy the ecosystem
5. The belief that we are a team is a noble lie/Sorelian myth

I hope I don't need to explain in detail why those are not the same claim. #1 is descriptive and mostly plausible, #2 is strategic and needs more argument than you have given, #3 is too strong, #4 is probably false if stated absolutely, and #5 is a weird pseudo-philosophical flourish that partially undermines your own post

"Noble lie" implies a knowingly false myth that is imposed for social cohesion, usually by some class of guardians or elites. However, the whole point you made is that there is no central authority that's capable of imposing such a myth. Now, "Sorelian myth" is closer because Sorelian myths are less literal policy programs and more mobilizing images. However, even there, you're not thinking it through properly. You're basically just saying "the myth that we are together makes us together", which immediately seems either banal or self-defeating. If behavior is actually coordinated by the shared myth, then there is something in common (the myth, the enemy-image, the narrative frame, the directorial alignment, what have you)

The points on the Russian Revolution are also way overconfident if you ask me. You are right in that the information environment has changed dramatically, but the unfortunate reality is that the information abundance we have today does not simply defeat falsehood. Like, there's deplatforming, reputation laundering, selective clipping, narrative flooding, algorithmic suppression, fake consensus, attention exhaustion, and noise, just to name a few problems. Of course it is easier than ever before to document the truth, but that by itself does not answer the question of "can anyone make the relevant people care, understand the truth, preserve it, and act on it?"

Those are the two biggest issues I have with your (or is it Claude's?) argument

 

[alphabetnigger]

I didn't read past talking about tents. Niggers stab people in those things.

 

[YellowIsACoolColor]

The real error in Null's judgement is believing that online rw groups are relevant enough to have any actual influence in politics

 

[Fujoshi_Nationalist]

#1 is descriptive and mostly plausible

It is not. It is foolish to believe in The Peoples Soviet Union could undergo the same wave that the Soviets did. Hell, try to unifying GAB, the sharty, imageboards, places like POAST and this place is as hard as it gets.

#2 is strategic and needs more argument than you have given

See above.
There are make or brake it deals. Mostly related to pursuing complete freedom to shitpost, goon, dox etc.
Every single one of these places has a different TOS.

#3 is too strong

??

#4 is probably false if stated absolutely

Go on

#5 is a weird pseudo-philosophical flourish that partially undermines your own post

You're basically just saying "the myth that we are together makes us together", which immediately seems either banal or self-defeating. If behavior is actually coordinated by the shared myth, then there is something in common (the myth, the enemy-image, the narrative frame, the directorial alignment, what have you)

Yes. How is that self defeating? Because it clashes with the noble lie? You can easily argue for an internet "leader" or "elite" such as null that propagates the Noble lie.

Those are the two biggest issues I have with your (or is it Claude's?) argument

On the Russian revolution, it is my argument too. The existence of the "Parallel Economy" is my proof that we have advanced in strides from where we were in, let's say, the 2010s.

 

[Nickel Silver]

Very silly. There is a unified effort to make a left-wing organization. There has always been.

Any effort to organize the left into one tent has always been undermined by infighting over the smallest of details. It's a small blessing that communists can't help but kill each other.

The text around your graph all but outright states that leftists are extremely bigoted and "open-mindedness" is a lie they tell themselves to feel morally superior to you. And to each other.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

Right wingers are all closeted faggots

 

[Fujoshi_Nationalist]

Any effort to organize the left into one tent has always been undermined by infighting over the smallest of details. It's a small blessing that communists can't help but kill each other.

The text around your graph all but outright states that leftists are extremely bigoted and "open-mindedness" is a lie they tell themselves to feel morally superior to you. And to each other.

I agree to some extent. But their intention has always been to organize with each other and they are but short of efforts into trying to do so and impose an etiquette and set of beliefs that you can have and not if you wish to join the left, or be mostly excommunicated by a good (if not most) left coded circles. "WOKE" is what glues them together, in spite of the hostility.

There is no "WOKE" equivalent on the right. Just a vague feeling of "we are in this together".