Null and MikeyNohMore are wrong about RW cohesion and "gatekeeping" - Mein Kope: A Settlement of (online) accounts & The Internet's Chud Movement

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The Right-Wing Ecosystem: Organized Chaos Over Coalition​

Recommended background reading:
(I'm mainly using these two philosophical concepts as anchors so readers don't start from zero. Credit goes to Plato and Sorel for the underlying ideas. Sorry if this comes out as midwit pseud babble.)

Three Points to Get Across​

  1. There is no unified "right-wing tent" comparable to the """"unified"""" ideology found in current lefty-lib coded circles. What exists instead is a decentralized ecosystem of largely independent communities.
  2. The closest thing to a "right-wing coalition" is not an organization, party, or governing body — it's the overlap of audiences who move between platforms, communities, and personalities while maintaining diverse and often conflicting beliefs.
  3. JERSH is mistaken in assuming that internal criticism, factional disputes, or attempts at division can fundamentally destroy the broader ecosystem (i.e. the divide-and-conquer of the red Russian Revolution inflicted on the White Russians) — because its cohesion derives from shared users, overlapping interests, and decentralized networks rather than centralized unity.

Part I: On Null's Claim — "We Need a Right-Wing Coalition"​

Null's argument is roughly that there should be a formal "Right Wing" coalition — a governing political organisation as the RW equivalent of the CPSU (something something Chud's Party of the Sovereign Union) — essentially pro-gatekeeping, with an alliance of "gods chosen chuds elites" or whatever.

I'd argue that's unnecessary and a futile exercise.

We are not in the pre-2000s internet era, before the massive push toward decentralization and rapid spread of information. "Selling your soul" for the sake of networking — taming yourself, sugarcoating opinions for audience gain — is not as necessary as it was even in pre-2010s internet. A "right-wing coalition" is counter-intuitive to how the right actually works and is structured online.

It's a pointless endeavor by its nature. Better to focus on: "What tools can I give my users to make it easier to spread the work of Kiwi Farms users?" — e.g. AI summaries of threads and pages into PDFs to catch up — rather than: "Why do these people keep ghosting me? It's for your own good, you internet user/influencer."

Part II: On MikeyNohMore's Claim — "Right-Wingers Are Too Critical of Each Other, more than lefties and that's good and relevant!"​

I don't remember the specific stream — probably one of his Quartering videos, or after the Quartering "bull allegations" — but the claim was roughly: "Right-wingers are much more critical of each other compared to leftists," and by consequence this is somehow good for the spread of right-wing dissent (or somehow relevant).

This is not entirely (if not completely) untrue, but it's also massively overstated.

Every single leftist e-celeb engages in "ankle-biting" at other leftist e-celebs and communities. Leftist infighting is so predominant and historical there are entire volumes documenting it — from the first skirmish between Bakunin and Marx, through "The First International," right up to the present. The shitflinging never stopped.

Meanwhile, plenty of right-wing coded figures have had enormous wiggle room and minimal scrutiny for years:
  • The Quartering ran god-knows-how-many scams before anyone on the right really called it out
  • Tectone doesn't get nearly the scrutiny he deserves from right-wing drama accounts
  • Dr Disrespect just... streamed on Rumble like nothing happened
  • Libertarians fell into libshit idiocy during the Minnesota fiasco
  • CATO & adjacent think tanks sided with open-borders positions and barely got roasted for it
So the premise that right-wingers uniquely devour their own is, at best, a half-truth.

Part III: A Common Direction Without a Common Organization​

Discussions about online political and cultural communities often assume that every movement must eventually become a formal coalition — with clear leadership, rules, and membership standards. From that perspective, it seems strange that many right-wing, anti-establishment, free-speech, open-source, and internet-subculture communities frequently overlap in audience while remaining fragmented in organization.

The assumption itself may be mistaken. These communities may not function like a political party at all.

A useful lens: focus less on formal institutions and more on shared narratives. Large groups of people can cooperate, tolerate one another, or move in similar directions without agreeing on every principle. Many online communities are held together not by a single doctrine, but by a broad sense that certain goals are worth following. Participants may disagree about methods, priorities, and even ultimate outcomes — yet still perceive themselves as resisting similar pressures or defending similar values.

This explains why attempts to build a single unified "right-wing tent" perpetually struggle. The audiences involved are extraordinarily diverse:
  • Libertarians
  • Nationalists
  • Populists
  • Free-speech advocates
  • Technocrats
  • Open-source developers
  • Internet archivists
  • Various subcultures
These groups share platforms and users while disagreeing on major political, social, and religious norms. Their relationship is closer to coexistence than ideological unity. The structure resembles an ecosystem, not a tent.

The DEFCON Comparison​

DEFCON is instructive. Security researchers, software developers, privacy advocates, government personnel, academics, and hobbyists all attend the same conferences despite having conflicting interests and goals. They are not united by a single ideology, path, or method. Rather, they participate in a broader culture — better described as a shared direction rather than a shared destination — that values the exchange of knowledge, technical experimentation, and the circulation of information.

A similar dynamic plays out across internet communities:
  • Open-source developers believe decentralization empowers users
  • Archivists believe preserving information protects history
  • Privacy advocates focus on limiting institutional power
  • Forum admins prioritize maintaining spaces for discussion that are hard to censor
Different objectives; overlapping environment. They all contribute to a landscape that rewards decentralization, information-sharing, and institutional independence.

Why Gatekeeping Fails​

A centralized movement can enforce boundaries because it possesses recognized authority. An ecosystem cannot.

No single figure has the power to determine membership across all participating communities. Even influential platform owners, admins, content creators, and community leaders only exercise authority within their own domains. Users remain free to consume content from multiple sources simultaneously.

Audience overlap becomes the real connective tissue. People who participate in one community often participate in several others. Information spreads through shared users rather than through a formal chain of command. Communities may criticize one another, compete with one another, or openly dislike one another — while still drawing from many of the same pools of participants.

This directly challenges the idea that internal criticism weakens the broader ecosystem. Rival communities can argue constantly and still remain part of the same general environment. Their relationship is not based on unanimity (which makes MikeyNohMore's claim about mutual criticism being uniquely positive largely irrelevant) but on directional alignment.

They share concerns about censorship, centralization, institutional influence, cultural change, or technological control — while disagreeing on nearly everything else.
The result is a landscape that resembles a network of islands connected by common currents. Each island has its own rules, traditions, and leadership. Some cooperate closely, some remain distant, some actively clash. Yet movement between them remains possible because users, ideas, and technologies travel across the same waters.
The absence of a unified coalition is not a weakness or failure of organization. It may simply reflect the nature of the ecosystem itself.

The Core Takeaway: Plato's Noble Lie / The Sorelian Myth​

The "right-wing tent" — the audience itself — becomes the connective tissue.
The tent is not an alliance with imposed rules (like libshits and lefties). It's an overlap of users. Organized chaos rather than any real "team."

That's why gatekeeping is impossible. That's why imposing etiquette analogous to pronoun enforcement is impossible. We are a set of lonely islands drifting in the same direction rather than a school of fish.
Alone together. The idea that we are somehow "in this together" is what holds us together — not a set of common end-goals, terms, or methods.

This is Plato's Noble Lie. This is the Sorelian Myth. Belief in it is what makes us a "team" — not anything we actually have in common.

One group sharpens the internet tools that one might use later (eg. FOSS people will make Anonymous tools that shitposters will use eventually and vise-versa).

Part IV: Why the Russian Revolution Analogy Doesn't Hold​

Null assumes modern dissident movements operate under conditions similar to those of the late Russian Empire. This is wrong.

The 1900s Information Environment​

The early twentieth century information environment was fundamentally different:
  • Communication was slow, centralized, and hard to verify
  • Newspapers took days or weeks to circulate
  • Literacy rates were uneven
  • Ordinary citizens had limited means of independently fact-checking claims
  • Rumors, pamphlets, speeches, and partisan papers were often the only source of information
In that environment, competing factions could shape public perception through selective reporting, exaggeration, or outright fabrication — often without immediate contradiction. The Russian Revolution emerged precisely within this context of wartime censorship, political instability, and information scarcity.

The Modern Information Environment​

Modern societies exist in an environment saturated with:
  • Surveillance systems
  • Digital records
  • Smartphones
  • Social media archives
  • Satellite imagery
  • Constant public documentation
Events that once could be described solely through the testimony of a few witnesses and astroturfed publications are now recorded from dozens of angles and disseminated globally within minutes. Misinformation still exists and narratives still compete — but the practical difficulty of maintaining a large-scale falsehood over long periods is vastly greater than it was in the 1900s.

The Modern Panopticon​

The growth of pervasive surveillance further reinforces this. CCTV, smartphone cameras, online activity logs, geolocation data, and digital communication records have created unprecedented visibility. Studies associate this expansion with reductions in certain crime categories, particularly property crime and violent offenses in monitored public spaces.

More broadly: people increasingly act under the assumption that their actions may be documented. This changes behavior in ways entirely foreign to revolutionary movements of the past, which relied on:
  • Secrecy and compartmentalization
  • Limited information availability
  • Astroturfing and fabrication
  • The ability to construct narratives before competing accounts could emerge
Drawing direct parallels between contemporary online dissident communities and early twentieth-century revolutionary movements ignores the profound technological transformation in how information is produced, distributed, verified, and scrutinized.
Technology is too abundant to sustain false narratives where a few centralized sources make up the whole story — or drown out the correct ones.

EDIT: ALRIGHT ALRIGHT PARSED IT THROUGH CLOUDE leave me alone.
 
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If you're going to write so much, at least have the decency to have paragraphs to make your ramblings legible.
Yeah, write something about Null that is such a wall of text that he'll never read it.
The original draft was a lot longer with a lot more spaces and bullet points but it was the size of a pamphlet that delved more into each concept.

Unsure if I should tackle that on the original post.
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Jersh should read this on his podcast.

There is no unified "left-wing tent" either and if you think there is, you've never talked to any of them.
Very silly. There is a unified effort to make a left-wing organization. There has always been. Left wingers always go on about "organizing". You could ARGUABLY propose that there is 3 camps:
> Tankies
> Anarchists
>Liberals
But the overlap and efforts to organize and unionize into a single etiquette (let's say, Pronouns and rejection of IQ) it's undeniably present and result into an excommunication of these 3 groups when absent. JK Rowling is the best exposure to this effect.

See also: The Internationale, The IWW, and the obsession over unions and ORGANIZING. Also consult this graph:
 

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