NPD, BPD and other disorders

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Dated a girl with bipolar and possible undiegnosed schizoid behavior. No meds. She would literally cry because somebody in the window would be laughing at her calling her a slut. I did not have the heart to tell her that there was no one in the window. Some of these people are just too far gone. You can love them, but you will destroy yourself trying to fix them. Omg I still think about her. But it was just because she was so useless it made me feel needed.
 
You can also traumatize a person enough and induce Borderline type reactions and conditions in their personality.

Having dealt with a BPD subhuman in my own life, I noticed that in myself. They really are the scum of the fucking earth and should be euthanized just for being contagious. I have to pay attention to and curate my thoughts now and that's really fucking draining. I miss the freedom of the person I was before I was in that relationship. Definitely in a worse place now, but only insomuch as I have to think about my actions, when being normal and well-adjusted used to be easy and natural. I don't know if I "fixed" the intrusive thought processes that cunt projected into me, but I don't feel good about the idea of ever letting my guard down now.

Never give BPD or Borderline people a chance, they absolutely will destroy you, and in ways you may never have considered. Fuck em.
 
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Having dealt with a BPD subhuman in my own life, I noticed that in myself. They really are the scum of the fucking earth and should be euthanized just for being contagious. I have to pay attention to and curate my thoughts now and that's really fucking draining. I miss the freedom of the person I was before I was in that relationship. Definitely in a worse place now, but only insomuch as I have to think about my actions, when being normal and well-adjusted used to be easy and natural. I don't know if I "fixed" the intrusive thought processes that cunt projected into me, but I don't feel good about the idea ever letting my guard down now.

Never give BPD or Borderline people a chance, they absolutely will destroy you, and in ways you may never have considered. Fuck em.


Some have said it's your amygdala over-reacting. As long as your sleep is not effected by these states you can recover with time. Being unable to fall asleep is fine as long as you still wind up "sleeping in". But if you start waking up too early to racing mind and not sleeping enough regularly your brain is kind of fucked and you need meds or lack of sleep itself will cause your condition to get worse.

Yeah, contact with these people robs you of the innocent idea that humans and a human mind are roughly similar. People who behave negatively do so and understand the consequences and understand what they are doing is negative. This is a cultural or media inspired idea that you can spot utterly insane and crazy-making people and their kaleidoscope world view and they know they are bad actors. Reality is they don't think they are doing one single thing wrong, and you can't spot them. They can mask themselves and learn social adaptations and many have above average social skills. Usually better than yours. Zero feelings of guilt, remorse and they sleep just fine at night, every night.
 
This. "Healing" for someone with a cluster-b disorder means admitting that every single instinct for the way they behave socially is wrong and must be corrected. It's too hard for most of them, and in a lot of instances they have been a black sheep for so long that their families and friends don't support them when they're actively working to get better.
In my experience it's paradoxically even harder for BPDs who might otherwise be decent or reasonable people. If there was some magical cure that instantly gave them insight, they would implode from the shame of ruining their and other peoples' lives. The lack of insight is a defensive mechanism, the truth that they are and were the problem and not the rest of the world is too much to stomach. Even an 'ideal' BPD patient who genuinely wants to break the pattern is still enormously difficult to deal with in this respect.
 
People with personality disorders should be branded on the forehead with the initials of their disorder and then released into the wild.

I mean, I wish the best for them and all, but it’s just unethical to conceal known information that any involvement with these people is going to be a wildly unpleasant ride that may result in attempted life ruination, actual physical assault, murder, theft, harassment, etc etc etc
 
My roommate is a diagnosed narc and while hes self aware about it at least, hes still an ass. I hate how that smug energy narcs give off, that infantalizing look. All my entire life Ive been preyed on and abused by narcs in particular. They are thw worst. Even after learning about how they feel with their disorder, Its hard to empathize.

I feel like a lot of narcs come off autistic in the worst way. Imagine all the bad traits that make autists annoying, thats what narcs are like.
If I treated my roommate the same way he treats me, he would throw a fit. Same with all the others I had to deal with. Its like your feelings dont matter. He gets an attitude all the time and its like jesus christ, do you not hear yourself? Do you not hear how immature you come across? Yet they have a way with making you seem like the immature one, thats what pisses me off the most. They are able to emotionally manipulate others into taking the blame. I have to mentally remind myself "no its not you, its not you" and visualize how the situation would be different if I used the same behavoir he uses toward me against him. It helps me see through everything and keeps me from feeling needlessly guilty.

Its tough undoing the damange these people cause. They truly know how to oush people into the darkest pits of self loathing and self defeating prophecies. Yet theyll never truly feel guilty about it. Its scary. But Im getting better. At least Im not them.
 
I feel like a lot of narcs come off autistic in the worst way. Imagine all the bad traits that make autists annoying, thats what narcs are like.
Cluster B personality disorders and autism spectrum disorders have so much overlap that psychiatrists frequently misdiagnose autistic women with having Borderline Personality Disorder. There’s also a fair amount of comorbidity between the two, like Autism and Bipolar Disorder. There is a reason, unfortunately, that people think autistic individuals don’t have empathy.
 
Cluster Bs are a nightmare. I have encountered a few in life and had the misfortune to have to work directly with one for a few years.
DBT can work for borderline BUT they have to really want to do it and very few can manage that. To accept it means accepting their whole personality is disordered.
All my entire life Ive been preyed on and abused by narcs in particular.
Look up ‘grey rock’ technique. Become a master of it. Enjoy freedom from narcs
 
I love cluster B women.
And they love you too. Until they hate you for some random slight you didn't even realize. And then they fuck several other men to get revenge. Or they baby trap you. Or stalk and harass you for months. Or hell, all 3 at the same time.

"Best pussy disorder" my ass.
 
The problem is even if they admit to having a mental health condition some of them refuse to take any responsibility for their actions, like they’ll say ‘That was a manic/depressive episode’ as it’s a get out of all responsibilities card.
Bipolar is a tough one because
bpd = "borderline personality disorder". Bipolar isn't cluster B - it's a mood disorder.
I think this is behavior of categorically bad therapists- it's effectively malpractice.
There's gotta be some point where they think, "ah, man... I wonder why so many bad things happen to this person and it's never their fault"
I always found the lack of moral consideration in therapy highly disturbing. Like, they prioritize basically getting the patient to trust them, so they circlejerk them to hell and back regardless of what they say and never really impose any kind of judgments on the things they say. This means that if you say something like "so I cheated on my husband and lied to my kids about it and divorced them" at no point are they going to point out how unethical this is nor try to encourage you to find in yourself the sort of ethical sensibilities and foresight that prevents behaviour like this (or prompts you to try to redeem yourself). It just seems weird that such a value-laden field is so utterly divorced from considerations like moral philosophy.
 
And they love you too. Until they hate you for some random slight you didn't even realize. And then they fuck several other men to get revenge. Or they baby trap you. Or stalk and harass you for months. Or hell, all 3 at the same time.

"Best pussy disorder" my ass.
Guess I should be thankful the one I had just did a clean break and fucked off.

In general I don't know if those disorders exist or it's a symptom of cramming your body full of drugs.
 
And they love you too. Until they hate you for some random slight you didn't even realize. And then they fuck several other men to get revenge. Or they baby trap you. Or stalk and harass you for months. Or hell, all 3 at the same time.

"Best pussy disorder" my ass.
Skill issue. Drop the difficulty or get good.
 
Guess I should be thankful the one I had just did a clean break and fucked off.
Did she just dump you out of nowhere? BPD's are known to "discard" their partners like that.
In general I don't know if those disorders exist or it's a symptom of cramming your body full of drugs.
Childhood trauma usually causes BPD, moreso in women. They do drugs and act impulsively to cope.
Skill issue. Drop the difficulty or get good.
That's the monkey's paw version of lowering the difficulty.
 
cluster b isn't the problem

the problem is codependency

these people couldn't wreak the havoc they do if the people in their lives weren't getting a psychic hit from believing they can fix them, enjoying the martyrdom, enjoying the drama themselves, liking to see themselves as a hero/longsuffering

it's a hard truth but if cluster bs are fucking you up, *you are the problem* and you're not just hurting yourself.

young people get chances here but I meet someone my own age and I find out they're excusing and enabling cluster b/addict behavior from a child, partner, or, worst of all maybe, boss? hard hard boundaries with that person. once you're fully grown the problem is actually the enablers, without them the basketcases have no scope.
 
Did she just dump you out of nowhere? BPD's are known to "discard" their partners like that.
Nope, got her to move in with me beforehand after being together couple of months. There was some family drama of hers (her sister husband was caught cheating) so she decided to stop the relationship because I wasn't living up to her standard of being pussywhipped enough. She did it face to face at least.

I'm glad I dodged the bullet, but goddamn, she didn't even try to mend things or talk to me. Just fucked off with the things she brought from her place and all the shit I bought for her like half a week later after staying at her friend's house.
 
My mother is a narcissist, she along with my weak boomer father (can't oppose anything your wife says!) created a golden child/scapegoat system with my brother and I resulting in me growing up with two often conspiring narcissists. They (narcs) are truly vile people and whatever effects their disorder has on their sense of reality makes them incapable of even seeing a need to treat people differently. Every attempt to reach out ends up with you doing something wrong, as you are wrong by default.

Really just have to identify and cut them out, grey rock if you can't just yet.
 
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