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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/08/nor...trike-on-guam-reports-citing-state-media.html

Trump: North Korea best not make any more threats 4 Hours Ago | 05:03

North Korea said on Wednesday it is "carefully examining" a plan to strike the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam with missiles, just hours after U.S. President Donald Trump told the North that any threat to the United States would be met with "fire and fury".

A spokesman for the Korean People's Army, in a statement carried by the North's state-run KCNA news agency, said the strike plan will be "put into practice in a multi-current and consecutive way any moment" once leader Kim Jong Un makes a decision.

In another statement citing a different military spokesman, North Korea also said it could carry out a pre-emptive operation if the United States showed signs of provocation.

Earlier Pyongyang said it was ready to give Washington a "severe lesson" with its strategic nuclear force in response to any U.S. military action.

Washington has warned it is ready to use force if need be to stop North Korea's ballistic missile and nuclear programs but that it prefers global diplomatic action, including sanctions.

The consequences of any U.S. strike would potentially be catastrophic not only for North Koreans but also South Korea, Japan and the thousands of U.S. military personnel within range of any North Korean retaliatory strikes.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen," Trump told reporters at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

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Guam is far removed from the U.S. mainland. Credit: Google Maps.

The U.N. Security Council unanimously imposed new sanctions on North Korea on Saturday over its continued missile tests, that could slash the reclusive country's $3 billion annual export revenue by a third.

North Korea has made no secret of plans to develop a nuclear-tipped missile able to strike the United States and has ignored international calls to halt its nuclear and missile programs.

It says its intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) are a legitimate means of defense against perceived U.S. hostility. It has long accused the United States and South Korea of escalating tensions by conducting military drills.

U.S. stocks closed slightly lower after Trumps comment, while a widely followed measure of stock market anxiety ended at its highest in nearly a month. The U.S. dollar index pared gains and the safe-haven yen strengthened against the U.S. currency.

Tensions rise
The United States has remained technically at war with North Korea since the 1950-53 Korean conflict ended in an armistice rather than a peace treaty. The past six decades have been punctuated by periodic rises in antagonism and rhetoric that have always stopped short of a resumption of active hostilities.

Tensions have risen since North Korea carried out two nuclear bomb tests last year and two ICBM tests last month.

The Trump administration's attempts to pressure North Korea into abandoning its nuclear and missile ambitions have so far gained little traction.

U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis has warned of an "effective and overwhelming" response against North Korea if it chose to use nuclear weapons but has said any military solution would be "tragic on an unbelievable scale."

The United States has 28,500 troops in South Korea to guard against the North Korean threat. Japan hosts around 54,000 U.S. military personnel, the U.S. Department of Defense says, and tens of thousands of Americans work in both countries.

Seoul is home to a population of roughly 10 million, within range of massed pre-targeted North Korean rockets and artillery, which would be impossible to destroy in a first U.S. strike.

The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that North Korea has successfully produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles, according to a confidential U.S. intelligence assessment.

But U.S. intelligence officials told Reuters that while North Korea has accelerated its efforts to design an ICBM, a miniaturized nuclear warhead, and a nosecone robust enough to survive reentry through the Earths atmosphere from space, there is no reliable evidence that it has mastered all three, much less tested and combined them into a weapon capable of hitting targets in the United States.

The bottom line is that its almost impossible, given the amount and reliability of available intelligence, to reach a high-confidence assessment of the Norths nuclear capabilities, a U.S. intelligence official said.

U.S. intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also said there is no certainty about the number of nuclear warheads North Korea has assembled, with estimates ranging from 20 to as many as 60 and most experts leaning toward the lower end of that range.

North Korea's ICBM tests last month suggested it was making technical progress, Japan's annual Defence White Paper warned.

"It is conceivable that North Korea's nuclear weapons programme has already considerably advanced and it is possible that North Korea has already achieved the miniaturisation of nuclear weapons and has acquired nuclear warheads," it said.

War of words
On Monday, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson held the door open for dialogue, saying Washington was willing to talk to Pyongyang if it halted its missile test launches.

Still, he maintained the pressure, urging Thailand on Tuesday for more action against Pyongyang.

Former U.S. diplomat Douglas Paal, now with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace think tank in Washington, said Trump should not get into a war of words with Pyongyang.

It strikes me as an amateurish reflection of a belief that we should give as we get rhetorically. That might be satisfying at one level, but it takes us down into the mud that we should let Pyongyang enjoy alone, said Paal, who served as a White House official under previous Republican administrations.

South Korea reiterated further United Nations resolutions against Pyongyang could follow if it did not pull back.

"North Korea should realize if it doesn't stop its ... provocations, it will face even stronger pressure and sanctions," Defense Ministry spokesman Moon Sang-gyun told a news briefing. "We warn North Korea not to test or misunderstand the will of the South Korea-U.S. alliance."

Lockheed Martin Corp, the Pentagon's No. 1 weapons supplier, said on Tuesday its customers are increasingly asking about missile defense systems.

"The level of dialogue ... is now at the prime minister and minister of defense level," Tim Cahill, the vice president of Lockheed's Air and Missile Defense business, told Reuters.


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The eat the hat meme is old.
@Techpriest is never going to eat it because he's a lying liar who lies, and everyone just needs to accept that and move on.

Well, it wasn't a lie if he meant it at the time.

But he is definitely a welshing welsher who welshes, and that is a genuinely low creature who can't be trusted.

If he would even manufacture an edible hat and eat it, most reasonable people would respect him more, though.
 
Any war North Korea starts would result in a death sentence for the Kim regime. No matter which way you slice it, North Korea is going down no matter what if hostilities resume.

The issue is not that North Korea will go down, but rather how many of our allies will be brought down with them.
And South Korea might shrek them before our nukes are finished launching.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinese-paper-says-china-stay-neutral-north-korea-000346456.html?exp=vv

Chinese paper says China should stay neutral if North Korea attacks first

Reuters • Thu, Aug 10 6:00 PM PDT
BEIJING (Reuters) - If North Korea launches an attack that threatens the United States then China should stay neutral, but if the United States attacks first and tries to overthrow North Korea's government China will stop them, a Chinese state-run newspaper said on Friday.

President Donald Trump ratcheted up his rhetoric toward North Korea and its leader on Thursday, warning Pyongyang against attacking Guam or U.S. allies after it disclosed plans to fire missiles over Japan to land near the U.S. Pacific territory.



China, North Korea's most important ally and trading partner, has reiterated calls for calm during the current crisis. It has expressed frustration with both Pyongyang's repeated nuclear and missile tests and with behavior from South Korea and the United States that it sees as escalating tensions.

The widely read state-run Global Times, published by the ruling Communist Party's official People's Daily, wrote in an editorial that Beijing is not able to persuade either Washington or Pyongyang to back down.

"It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make them understand that when their actions jeopardize China's interests, China will respond with a firm hand," said the paper, which does not represent government policy.

"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten U.S. soil first and the U.S. retaliates, China will stay neutral," it added.

"If the U.S. and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."

China has long worried that any conflict on the Korean peninsula, or a repeat of the 1950-53 Korean war, could unleash a wave of destabilizing refugees into its northeast, and could end up with a reunified county allied with the United States.

North Korea is a useful buffer state for China between it and U.S. forces based in South Korea, and also across the sea in Japan.

The Global Times said China will "firmly resist any side which wants to change the status quo of the areas where China's interests are concerned".

"The Korean Peninsula is where the strategic interests of all sides converge, and no side should try to be the absolute dominator of the region."

(Story refiles to correct typographical error to "them", not "then", paragraph 1.)

(Reporting by Ben Blanchard; Editing by Lincoln Feast)
 
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...pare-defense-threat-north-korea/#.WY6qEXcjF3l

Guam, Japan prepare defense against threat from North Korea

AP, KYODO, JIJI


HONOLULU/MANILA/NEW YORK/TOKYO – If an attack warning is issued, Guam residents should take cover quickly — in a concrete structure, preferably underground — and stay there until instructed otherwise, according to a fact sheet titled “Preparing for an Imminent Missile Threat.”

Guam’s Office of Civil Defense began disseminating fact sheets Friday to help residents prepare for a missile attack from North Korea. The guidance also includes tips on building an emergency kit and reminders about keeping calm.






“Do not look at the flash or fireball — it can blind you,” the missile threat prep fact sheet advises those who are caught outside. “Lie flat on the ground and cover your head.”

The flyer also offers guidance on removing radioactive material: “When possible, take a shower with lots of soap and water to help remove radioactive contamination.” But don’t scratch or scrub skin and “do not use conditioner in your hair because it will bind radioactive material to your hair.”

Japanese municipalities are also growing active in holding missile evacuation drills amid the increasing threat from North Korea.

The Akita Prefecture city of Oga carried out a civilian evacuation drill in March to prepare for a possible North Korean missile, becoming the first municipality to hold such an exercise.

Other municipalities have followed. The number will rise to 12 on Aug. 30, when Wajima in Ishikawa Prefecture conducts a drill.

A North Korean missile could reach Japan in as little as seven to eight minutes.

The central government says it will increase communications with cities via the J-Alert system, which delivers emergency information promptly.

Tottori Prefecture in June checked procedures for responding to a missile attack, and learned that there is no understanding among the prefectural police, the Self-Defense Forces and fire authorities about who would play a commanding role in the initial response to such a situation.

The prefectural government has asked Tokyo to set details of how central and local government organizations should act so that they would be able to work together efficiently.

In Guam, Gov. Eddie Calvo noted Friday that although the island has many buildings made to withstand typhoons, nothing can protect against a thermonuclear attack.

Calvo said Guam is relying on the United States and its allies to thwart North Korea. In a news conference aired live on his Facebook page, he said he feels “very confident in the missile defense system that the United States and its allies, Japan and South Korea, has.”

“I’m not a military man, but based on the information that we have, the confidence levels of the United States military, the confidence of working with our allies, also, knowing a little bit about the limitations of the North Korean capability, I have reasonable confidence,” Calvo said.

North Korea announced this past week that it will develop a plan by mid-August to launch four intermediate-range ballistic missiles into waters near Guam. The announcement came after U.S. President Donald Trump warned that North Korea would be met with “fire and fury” if it continues to threaten the United States.

Calvo expressed appreciation for Trump’s comments, saying they give clear assurance “that if there is an attack on any American soil, including Guam, it would be met with overwhelming response.”

Guam, which lies 3,400 kilometers southeast of North Korea and around 6,400 km from Hawaii, is home of the U.S. Pacific Command and has a population of more than 162,000. The 544-sq.-km island has a significant presence of the U.S. Navy, Air Force and Marines.

Despite the pronounced threat against the island, Calvo reassured “everyone that the threat level has not changed, and this island is safe and secure.”

“I think everybody should continue to go business as usual everyday. … It’s a weekend. Go out and have a good time. Enjoy the beaches tomorrow, and live your lives,” Calvo said.

The same piece of advice goes to the estimated 10,000 to 15,000 tourists from Japan, South Korea, China, Taiwan and other countries who visit Guam any given day, he said. “We are just as safe as Tokyo or Seoul or Taipei.”

Calvo said the public will be promptly informed if there are changes in the local government’s advisory, saying, “We have a fairly mature communications system, working through Homeland Security and Civil Defense.”

“And we’ve had a lot of practice both because of natural disasters such as typhoons, as well as a maturation of the system that occurred as of the first threats from North Korea back in 2013,” he said.

“I do want to encourage the entire community to stay prepared for any eventualities,” Calvo added.

Asked about his expectations of the Japanese government if the feared attack happens, Calvo said, “We are very confident that whatever adversity that occurs, the bonds between the United States and Japan and the territory of Guam will be even stronger.”

Trump further escalated the war of words on Friday, saying the U.S. military is “locked and loaded” for action.

“Military solutions are now fully in place, locked and loaded, should North Korea act unwisely. Hopefully Kim Jong Un will find another path!” he tweeted.

Speaking to reporters at his golf club in New Jersey following a meeting of security officials, Trump said he would talk with Chinese President Xi Jinping on the phone later in the day, apparently to discuss the tensions arising from North Korea’s planned launch toward Guam.

“I will be speaking to President Xi tonight, from China. And we’ve been working very closely with China and with other countries,” Trump said.

Trump made the remarks after North Korea’s official Korean Central News Agency put out a statement accusing him of stoking tensions.

“Trump is driving the situation on the Korean peninsula to the brink of a nuclear war, making such outcries as ‘the U.S. will not rule out a war against the DPRK,’ ” KCNA said, using the acronym for the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, the country’s official name.

Japan on Saturday finished deploying Patriot Advanced Capability-3 surface-to-air interceptors along the possible path North Korean ballistic missiles launched toward Guam would take.

The missile defense system is being deployed in the prefectures of Shimane, Hiroshima and Kochi, which North Korea said its missiles could cross over, as well as Ehime.

No PAC-3 units are regularly stationed in the four prefectures.

Japan’s missile defense system employs Maritime Self-Defense Force Aegis destroyers to shoot down airborne missiles, and the ASDF’s PAC-3 system to counter missiles that evade Aegis interceptors.

Trump expressed hope later in the day that North Korea sufficiently understands what he said about the U.S. military being “locked and loaded” in response to threats from the country.

“We are looking at that very carefully and I hope they are going to fully understand the gravity of what I said, and what I said is what I mean,” he told reporters at the golf club. “Those words are very, very easy to understand.”

“If he does anything with respect to Guam or any place else that’s an American territory or an American ally, he will truly regret it. And he will regret it fast,” Trump said, referring to the North Korean leader.

Also Friday, The Associated Press reported that the United States has been engaged in back-channel diplomacy with North Korea for several months, involving Joseph Yun, the U.S. envoy for North Korea policy, and Pak Song Il, a senior North Korean diplomat at the country’s U.N. mission.

It had been known that the two sides had discussions to secure the June release of an American university student held in North Korea. But it wasn’t known until now that the contacts have continued, or that they have broached matters other than U.S. detainees, the AP said.

Last Saturday, the U.N. Security Council imposed fresh sanctions on Pyongyang that aim to slash the country’s $3 billion annual export revenue by a third.
At the annual security meeting of Asia-Pacific foreign ministers in the Philippines on Monday, North Korea’s Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho defended his country’s nuclear and missile programs as legitimate and self-defensive in nature.

The Washington Post reported Tuesday that North Korea has successfully produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside missiles, citing a confidential U.S. assessment.

In the Philippines, which is only 2,100 km west of Guam, Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said the government is monitoring developments with concern, especially because he fears that Pyongyang’s rockets are not very accurate and could hit the country instead.

Brig. Gen. Restituto Padilla, spokesman of the Philippine military, said, “We are preparing because the debris could fall on the side of the Pacific,” and may hit some northern coastal areas.

The Philippines went on alert in April 2012 when North Korea launched what it claimed was an “earth observation satellite.” Some areas off the eastern coasts of Luzon island were identified as “falling off areas.”

Lorenzana expressed hope things will cool down between Washington and Pyongyang “so that we’re not going to be affected.”
 
Tottori Prefecture in June checked procedures for responding to a missile attack, and learned that there is no understanding among the prefectural police, the Self-Defense Forces and fire authorities about who would play a commanding role in the initial response to such a situation.
These silly Japs did not learn a goodamned thing from the 1995 Kobe Earthquake... or the great 2011 Tohoku Earthquake for that matter.

“Military solutions are now fully in place, locked and loaded, should North Korea act unwisely. Hopefully Kim Jong Un will find another path!” he tweeted.
I, for one, am looking forward to the first war started over a twitter-slapfight.
 
Kim won't push the button. He's too chicken.

In the Philippines, which is only 2,100 km west of Guam, Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana said the government is monitoring developments with concern, especially because he fears that Pyongyang’s rockets are not very accurate and could hit the country instead.

I'm sorry but that's fucking hilarious. :lol:
 
These silly Japs did not learn a goodamned thing from the 1995 Kobe Earthquake... or the great 2011 Tohoku Earthquake for that matter.
Actually, earthquake emergency management is bulletproof because of the 1995 Kobe Earthquake, which is why the effects of the 2011 Tohoku Earthquake were minimal. The problem was the tsunami and the whole nuclear meltdown aspect.

To be fair, do you think we're prepared for a nuclear attack beyond 1950s "duck and cover" procedures?
 
Actually, earthquake emergency management is bulletproof because of the 1995 Kobe Earthquake, which is why the effects of the 2011 Tohoku Earthquake were minimal. The problem was the tsunami and the whole nuclear meltdown aspect.

To be fair, do you think we're prepared for a nuclear attack beyond 1950s "duck and cover" procedures?
I'm more talking about the whole "we don't know who's responsible for what and who outranks whom on what matter" thing.
That's what cost a lot of lives during the Kobe Earthquake and it seems they haven't yet streamlined that down enough for other major catastrophies and emergencies.

In 1995, the Mayor of Kobe didn't know whether or not (and to what extend) he could accept foreign help. A special disaster relief team offered help since they had dogs trained in searching for survivors hidden under rubble and debris and these people got stuck on the airport for days cause their dogs had to go through quarantine (which usually takes several weeks) and it took forever for some government official to finally decide that they can reduce the duration (not outright skip - reduce) of the quarantine. In a situation where literally every minute counts, they bogged down these people for days cause noone was willing to make a decision.
In 2011, they were rather reluctant to accept foreign (ie: american) help in Fukushima afaik.
Incidently, there was a plane crash a couple decades ago where almost all passengers died cause the japanese forbid the US to get involved despite them already having helicopters at the crash site.

The japanese are very good, if not the best, when it comes to disaster prevention and dealing with disasters themselves, but the moment some aspect of political hierarchy enters the picture, people just outright refuse to make decisions for fear of repercussions or overstepping their authority. Not making a decision at all is better than making a decision that turns out to be a mistake, it seems.

I contrast to that, in 1962, there was a huge flood in northern Germany, that also severely affected Hamburg and the situation completely spiralled out of control over night, so Helmut Schmidt, back when he was still just a Senator, singlehandedly decided to call for help from NATO, the Bundeswehr and the Royal Navy, thus saving hundreds, if not thousands of lives - despite not having any kind of authority to do so and this being completely against the german constitution in the first place.

Concerning nuclear war/getting attacked by conventional weapons, I assume it depends on where you live, but there should be structures in place so the different organizations can work together to take care of the situation.
Even if the exact procedures of relief might be somewhat vague (since a lot depends on the situation), the hierarchy and authority for such a case should be crystal clear.
But, admittedly, this might be somewhat of an issue since thr JSDF technically/historically is part of the police forces, so that might make matters a bit complicated in this regard.
 
China needs to get off its ass, and march in. Save everyone some major trouble. We have our own minerals. They can keep some shitty Asian basket-weaving province, as long as they don't mess with SK. It'd probably be better for them to stay separate anyway.
 
China needs to get off its ass, and march in. Save everyone some major trouble. We have our own minerals. They can keep some shitty Asian basket-weaving province, as long as they don't mess with SK. It'd probably be better for them to stay separate anyway.
It would, but who's to say they aren't coming up with a plan to take back NK for Kim. As I said earlier, their 'neutrality' could simply just be a facade.

It's just a matter of whether or not the Norks strike first. And whether or not they can handle their shit with India.
 
It would, but who's to say they aren't coming up with a plan to take back NK for Kim. As I said earlier, their 'neutrality' could simply just be a facade.

It's just a matter of whether or not the Norks strike first. And whether or not they can handle their shit with India.
The question is really what China would have to obtain or lose.
Sure, they want to maintain Status Quo with Nk as a buffer, but if KJU is dumb enough to attack (let alone nuke) some other nation, they'll wash their hands off NK quicker than Sony washed its hands off Paul Feig.

It's hard to sell slave labour and tech gadgets when the world is a glowing crater, so they'll not get involved too much. Even if America would attack without being provoked, they would at most just help by supporting NK troops but not officially join the war effort with their own nation (just like in 1950).
 
China's "support" of North Korea is based on their desire for a buffer between themselves and the capitalists of South Korea, and they don't want to jeopardize that by taking sides at this point of the game. If shit ever did hit the fan though, they'd throw Kim under the bus in a heartbeat, because positive economic relations with the US outweigh keeping out a bit of capitalist influence.
 
China's "support" of North Korea is based on their desire for a buffer between themselves and the capitalists of South Korea, and they don't want to jeopardize that by taking sides at this point of the game. If shit ever did hit the fan though, they'd throw Kim under the bus in a heartbeat, because positive economic relations with the US outweigh keeping out a bit of capitalist influence.
With China becoming more and more of a global player (both economically as well as from a military POV), I would assume NK loses its importance as a buffer, anyway.
 
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