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Trump: North Korea best not make any more threats 4 Hours Ago | 05:03

North Korea said on Wednesday it is "carefully examining" a plan to strike the U.S. Pacific territory of Guam with missiles, just hours after U.S. President Donald Trump told the North that any threat to the United States would be met with "fire and fury".

A spokesman for the Korean People's Army, in a statement carried by the North's state-run KCNA news agency, said the strike plan will be "put into practice in a multi-current and consecutive way any moment" once leader Kim Jong Un makes a decision.

In another statement citing a different military spokesman, North Korea also said it could carry out a pre-emptive operation if the United States showed signs of provocation.

Earlier Pyongyang said it was ready to give Washington a "severe lesson" with its strategic nuclear force in response to any U.S. military action.

Washington has warned it is ready to use force if need be to stop North Korea's ballistic missile and nuclear programs but that it prefers global diplomatic action, including sanctions.

The consequences of any U.S. strike would potentially be catastrophic not only for North Koreans but also South Korea, Japan and the thousands of U.S. military personnel within range of any North Korean retaliatory strikes.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen," Trump told reporters at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

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Guam is far removed from the U.S. mainland. Credit: Google Maps.

The U.N. Security Council unanimously imposed new sanctions on North Korea on Saturday over its continued missile tests, that could slash the reclusive country's $3 billion annual export revenue by a third.

North Korea has made no secret of plans to develop a nuclear-tipped missile able to strike the United States and has ignored international calls to halt its nuclear and missile programs.

It says its intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) are a legitimate means of defense against perceived U.S. hostility. It has long accused the United States and South Korea of escalating tensions by conducting military drills.

U.S. stocks closed slightly lower after Trumps comment, while a widely followed measure of stock market anxiety ended at its highest in nearly a month. The U.S. dollar index pared gains and the safe-haven yen strengthened against the U.S. currency.

Tensions rise
The United States has remained technically at war with North Korea since the 1950-53 Korean conflict ended in an armistice rather than a peace treaty. The past six decades have been punctuated by periodic rises in antagonism and rhetoric that have always stopped short of a resumption of active hostilities.

Tensions have risen since North Korea carried out two nuclear bomb tests last year and two ICBM tests last month.

The Trump administration's attempts to pressure North Korea into abandoning its nuclear and missile ambitions have so far gained little traction.

U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis has warned of an "effective and overwhelming" response against North Korea if it chose to use nuclear weapons but has said any military solution would be "tragic on an unbelievable scale."

The United States has 28,500 troops in South Korea to guard against the North Korean threat. Japan hosts around 54,000 U.S. military personnel, the U.S. Department of Defense says, and tens of thousands of Americans work in both countries.

Seoul is home to a population of roughly 10 million, within range of massed pre-targeted North Korean rockets and artillery, which would be impossible to destroy in a first U.S. strike.

The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that North Korea has successfully produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its missiles, according to a confidential U.S. intelligence assessment.

But U.S. intelligence officials told Reuters that while North Korea has accelerated its efforts to design an ICBM, a miniaturized nuclear warhead, and a nosecone robust enough to survive reentry through the Earths atmosphere from space, there is no reliable evidence that it has mastered all three, much less tested and combined them into a weapon capable of hitting targets in the United States.

The bottom line is that its almost impossible, given the amount and reliability of available intelligence, to reach a high-confidence assessment of the Norths nuclear capabilities, a U.S. intelligence official said.

U.S. intelligence officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also said there is no certainty about the number of nuclear warheads North Korea has assembled, with estimates ranging from 20 to as many as 60 and most experts leaning toward the lower end of that range.

North Korea's ICBM tests last month suggested it was making technical progress, Japan's annual Defence White Paper warned.

"It is conceivable that North Korea's nuclear weapons programme has already considerably advanced and it is possible that North Korea has already achieved the miniaturisation of nuclear weapons and has acquired nuclear warheads," it said.

War of words
On Monday, U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson held the door open for dialogue, saying Washington was willing to talk to Pyongyang if it halted its missile test launches.

Still, he maintained the pressure, urging Thailand on Tuesday for more action against Pyongyang.

Former U.S. diplomat Douglas Paal, now with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace think tank in Washington, said Trump should not get into a war of words with Pyongyang.

It strikes me as an amateurish reflection of a belief that we should give as we get rhetorically. That might be satisfying at one level, but it takes us down into the mud that we should let Pyongyang enjoy alone, said Paal, who served as a White House official under previous Republican administrations.

South Korea reiterated further United Nations resolutions against Pyongyang could follow if it did not pull back.

"North Korea should realize if it doesn't stop its ... provocations, it will face even stronger pressure and sanctions," Defense Ministry spokesman Moon Sang-gyun told a news briefing. "We warn North Korea not to test or misunderstand the will of the South Korea-U.S. alliance."

Lockheed Martin Corp, the Pentagon's No. 1 weapons supplier, said on Tuesday its customers are increasingly asking about missile defense systems.

"The level of dialogue ... is now at the prime minister and minister of defense level," Tim Cahill, the vice president of Lockheed's Air and Missile Defense business, told Reuters.


WATCH: North Korea makes a nuclear weapon that can fit in its missiles, US intelligence says
 
Trump said it perfectly, so did Mad Dog Mattis and now we have to show we're not just showing teeth but fucking bite them if they don't back down

Enough is enough

Whatever I may think of Trump, no American President worthy of the name would back down at this point.

It's that fat little Pillsbury dough boy looking gook who is going to have to back down. Or be smacked down.
 
not a big fan of allowing innocent people to be killed.

that being said, though, if kimmay goes after guam, innocents are going to be killed. and they're our innocents, which, as awful as it is to say, matters more than NK's innocents.

them's the breaks.

i do hope we don't use nuclear weapons against them, though. i'm sure our conventional weaponry will work just fine.
 
A preemptive strike of any facilities capable of doing this would be entirely legal and proportionate.

Frankly, I think we should do it.
Theoretically they have a SLBM capability now, which makes things very tricky. The other problem is preparations. Penetrating NK IADS isn't going to be easy either. Then there's the real son of a bitch which is penetrating the underground facilities and hunting the TEL's. Oh and this strike will cause Seoul to be bombed and shelled like crazy.
 
Theoretically they have a SLBM capability now, which makes things very tricky. The other problem is preparations. Penetrating NK IADS isn't going to be easy either. Then there's the real son of a bitch which is penetrating the underground facilities and hunting the TEL's. Oh and this strike will cause Seoul to be bombed and shelled like crazy.

why is your avatar drinking that water bottle when she should be eating her hat?
 
A preemptive strike of any facilities capable of doing this would be entirely legal and proportionate.

Frankly, I think we should do it.
You can't hit them hard enough to shut down their counterattack against Seoul, that's what has been keping the Kim clan in charge for the past decades.

But with ICBMs and nukes within reach to Kimmy, the "hostages" in Seoul become less and less relevant - for obvious reasons.

Whatever happens, America should not throw the first punch if you ask me.
Besides, at this point Kim is mostly a threat to some of his neighbors.

East Germans expected civilization and shit. And their own industries got gutted, and instead of hiring poor East Germans, West Germany just imported muslims.
That's an amazing amount of ignorance concerning the reunification of Germany.
 
Theoretically they have a SLBM capability now, which makes things very tricky. The other problem is preparations. Penetrating NK IADS isn't going to be easy either. Then there's the real son of a bitch which is penetrating the underground facilities and hunting the TEL's. Oh and this strike will cause Seoul to be bombed and shelled like crazy.

It's all about strategic strikes to cripple NK's ability to launch a first strike and their ability to mount a counter offensive. Also informing South Korea we are about to blast the fuck out of Lil' Kim so they can be ready for retaliation.
 
I would almost prefer China wipe out North Korea just so we don't have to deal with flak from Canada, our European allies and the UN.
Everyone thinks we're literally Hitler for pulling out of the Paris Accord anyway, so why the fuck not? We could pull a Duterte and tell them we don't give a shit, because it's not like fatty cares about his people.

Exactly. Only fucking pussies back down when they set a red line and then it gets crossed and they are like 'well dont do it again ok'
The last two who did that lost a second them. The one before them got shot and killed.

why is your avatar drinking that water bottle when she should be eating her hat?
It's vodka, and the girl is a Kancolle of a Japanese ship the Soviets stole and blew up. But yeah, eat the hat.
 
Everyone thinks we're literally Hitler for pulling out of the Paris Accord anyway, so why the fuck not? We could pull a Duterte and tell them we don't give a shit, because it's not like fatty cares about his people.


The last two who did that lost a second them. The one before them got shot and killed.


It's vodka, and the girl is a Kancolle of a Japanese ship the Soviets stole and blew up. But yeah, eat the hat.

you're ruining my joke reeeeeeee

also to stay on topic: nk is bad and stuff and i wouldn't be opposed to shelling their asses.

sorry innocent north koreans. :c
 
I would almost prefer China wipe out North Korea just so we don't have to deal with flak from Canada, our European allies and the UN.
Thing is about that, the UN were the ones who passed the sanctions as it is. If NK gets nuked to oblivion, they wouldn't say "at least we didn't try". And Kim's not threatening any of the European countries or Canada, just America and its direct allies.

Granted, that could easilly change, but that's why everyone's hoping it doesn't get to that point. Especially if they turn their attention to Russia, who right now could give less than a shit about them.
 
Also Reunification didn't happen in the 80s.
If you are discussing, in full, reunification, you need to start with some background as to why things were the way they were. Discussing the later bit of the Cold War would be very important.

You must be the kid that screeched about WWI and the Depression being mentioned when WWII is discussed.
 
The wall came down in 1989 and Reunification happened around the end 1990.

Now enough about Cold War lets get back to how we need to fuck North Korea sideways and minimize our and our allies casualties.
 
Any war North Korea starts would result in a death sentence for the Kim regime. No matter which way you slice it, North Korea is going down no matter what if hostilities resume.

The issue is not that North Korea will go down, but rather how many of our allies will be brought down with them.
 
It's all about strategic strikes to cripple NK's ability to launch a first strike and their ability to mount a counter offensive. Also informing South Korea we are about to blast the fuck out of Lil' Kim so they can be ready for retaliation.
To do that would be extremely difficult. You'd have to strike multiple hardened airbases, naval bases, radar stations, artillery positions, air defense systems, command and control centers pretty much simultaneously, and then follow up with a land and sea invasion against determined and prepared (because getting ready for something like this will take months) defenders. This would be immensely difficult and extremely bloody. And if you make a single mistake, a large city in Japan, South Korea, or the island of Guam could be nuked. Risky doesn't begin to describe it.
 
Any war North Korea starts would result in a death sentence for the Kim regime. No matter which way you slice it, North Korea is going down no matter what if hostilities resume.

The issue is not that North Korea will go down, but rather how many of our allies will be brought down with them.

Right now they would be a major threat to Japan, South Korea, and Guam obviously. If a preemptive strike could severely weaken their ability to retaliate then we're looking at them turning their nuclear sights on South Korea. If only because I believe Kim is petty enough to take all of Korea with him.
 
I agree, Trump has essentially put Kimmy Fat Un into a tight spot where he would have to make a move in order to show strength.
Which is why the SK offer to have talks is so interesting to me. Without that, escalation would be the only option, but this way, SK has given NK a sensible solution where everyone can later pretend they won.
US can claim to not have given in to NK bullshit.
SK can be smug about their moral high ground and level headed approach.
NK can claim to have scared their enemies into political talks on NKs terms cause they were just so afraid of rinkydink NK knockoff missiles.
South Korea doesn't want to see North Korea nuked. If North Korea gets nuked South Korea could wind up receiving quite a bit of fallout from the weapons. So it's understandable why they wouldn't want a nuclear war.
 
To do that would be extremely difficult. You'd have to strike multiple hardened airbases, naval bases, radar stations, artillery positions, air defense systems, command and control centers pretty much simultaneously, and then follow up with a land and sea invasion against determined and prepared (because getting ready for something like this will take months) defenders. This would be immensely difficult and extremely bloody. And if you make a single mistake, a large city in Japan, South Korea, or the island of Guam could be nuked. Risky doesn't begin to describe it.

Which is why any preemptive strikes will be against North Korea's ability to launch any ICBMs.

Additionally Pyongyang isn't too far from the coast so massive naval bombardment/air strikes against their capital would definitely hamper their retaliation.
 
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