Nolan's The Odyssey - Potentially could be epic or an epic flop.

[Scientifically Inaccurate]

I hate this line of reasoning these people use.

“It’s fictional! Why do you care?”

If it’s fictional, why would you go out of your way to raceswap someone? You had to put at least a little extra level of thought to do that for a fictional story.

It’s the same thing with The Little Mermaid. You cared enough to raceswap a character despite it being fictional.

This is just projection.

You're supposed to be gullible and swallow the idea that they didn't care and they just picked the best for the role and it's a giant coincidence that the best for the role happens to be a race swap, every time, even when it's a statistical improbability. Or ridiculous on its face like Ellittle Page.

They're normally open about skin color/ethnicity based casting for other ethnicities but you're supposed to ignore that. They fall back on "it's important for the story" if pressed on those, but inevitably have double standards as to what counts as important (e.g. Arabic story must have Arabs, Greek story doesn't need Greeks) and are okay with writing out reasons why a character must be an ethnicity they don't like but not the other way around.

 

[Blue Gem Kosher Queen]

Imagine the movie being perceived as so ass before release people are retroactively defending faux-Greek drab of yore.

No director working today that beats their chest about representation could ever hope to do what Michel Ocelot did with Kirikou. They don't care about other cultures, they just want the grimacing about it. They don't want the complexity, to challenge their own notions about the other. Just by pondering "what's Kirikou?" you already are putting yourself above these eejits.

There aren't well preserved epics from African or even American cultures? What about you engage their folklore and culture respectfully, on their own terms and without mystifying it, and make some damn new stuff instead of destroying someone else's history? Like King Solomon's Mines is a product of its time but is damn near revolutionary on its treatment of the native African population and that was written in 1885.

 

[Screamer_2]

I hate this line of reasoning these people use.

“It’s fictional! Why do you care?”

If it’s fictional, why would you go out of your way to raceswap someone? You had to put at least a little extra level of thought to do that for a fictional story.

It’s the same thing with The Little Mermaid. You cared enough to raceswap a character despite it being fictional.

This is just projection.

While I think there are times it doesn't matter if a character is race or gender swapped. There certainly are the times where it is an ideology manifesting.

The notion that James Bond should be black. Where does that come from? The character simply is not a black man and the idea you make him one is an ideology manifesting. An ideology that then acts as if you're the one being ideologically motivated for questioning it. When you're doing nothing.

It's that insidious thing about current progressive, woke or whatever you want to call it ideologies. They think they represent the one correct way of thinking. Disagreeement, questioning or even noticing represents you're a bad person with malicious intent.

The other thing with the way these ideologies manifest is that it can almost be an algorithm. It's predictable. You're watching a film and they mention someone is a brilliant scientist, and before they are shown in screen you know it'll be a black person, possibly a women. It's taunting you, "you weren't expected the smartest person to be a bald fat black women because you're racist." When it is actually them engaging in racist stereotypes. Doing so in a manner where they're congratulating themselves for not being racist.

That's how I see casting Helen of Troy as a 40 something black women. The face that launched a thousand ship. Of course the woke thinking algorithm would make her black. At least there are some guard rails and they cast Lupita and not Lizzo.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

The notion that James Bond should be black. Where does that come from? The character simply is not a black man and the idea you make him one is an ideology manifesting. An ideology that then acts as if you're the one being ideologically motivated for questioning it. When you're doing nothing.

Aside from the "should", James Bond being black really ain't as far-fetched if we just go for the fact that the best actor trying for the role happened to be a black man. If that's the case, then so be it as long as the actor is handsome, capable of doing the stunts, has seductive charisma, and embodies the attitude of the 007. It's the "should" when the ideology kicks in because, when this type of situation happens, the whole "should" comes from the idea that it needs to be a change from a traditional white actor or actress because it's been domain of the whites too long, hence the "should". Hence, looking a black actor in purpose.

A good example is the cast of Rue in the Hunger Games. The character in the books ain't white, but described with "brown skin", but it doesn't necessarily says black. Yet, she was cast as a black girl because the character's death sparks a small revolution. Of course, the intention here is absolutely that the death of the black girl is what starts it. This was an absolutely political decision.

I'm sure that something like this happened when they chose Helen to be black. They didn't want the message that the most beautiful woman in the world was white, because that'd be too "Eurocentric" despite the story happens in Europe. The message is that "yes, black woman can be beautiful too".

 

[God of Nothing]

meh
i'm just sick of seeing niggers in everything
there are more mexicans in america than niggers but you wouldn't fucking know it if all you did was look at tv shows


The truth of the matter is the vast majority of people in the US and Western Europe are white. And they were completely white hundreds of years ago. All diverse castings are a conscious decision. No exceptions.

 

[Manly_Brony]

There aren't well preserved epics from African or even American cultures? What about you engage their folklore and culture respectfully, on their own terms and without mystifying it, and make some damn new stuff instead of destroying someone else's history?

That would be Song of the South for American Blacks and you know how liberals feel about it because they believe and propagandize that the South was nothing but toil, torture, night riding, N bombs and lynching 24/7/365 until the Civil Rights Act. They never read slave narratives about how freed Blacks were worse off after emancipation and they proudly erased the work of trailblazing Black actors. Nick Stewart's daughter Valerie talked about this during the Splash Mountain affair: people who sound knowledgeable and look educated filling the heads of the masses with bullshit and getting thanked for it. This is the other side of the ODEIssey debate in a nutshell.

 

[Claude Speed]

It all started with Percy Jackson (Rick Riordan) who then proceeded to also shit up Norse mythology and Egyptian mythology

This guy's net worth is over 40 million dollars - all made by (mostly) cashing in on the social suffering of kids with ADHD and Dyslexia.

 

[Incecticyder]

Ellittle Page

I hadn't thought of this pun. Thank you.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

That would be Song of the South for American Blacks and you know how liberals feel about it because they believe and propagandize that the South was nothing but toil, torture, night riding, N bombs and lynching 24/7/365 until the Civil Rights Act. They never read slave narratives about how freed Blacks were worse off after emancipation and they proudly erased the work of trailblazing Black actors. Nick Stewart's daughter Valerie talked about this during the Splash Mountain affair: people who sound knowledgeable and look educated filling the heads of the masses with bullshit and getting thanked for it. This is the other side of the ODEIssey debate in a nutshell.

They already did The Woman King and we know how they turned out. Same for Hidden Figures. Both happened to be historical frauds, Hidden Figures one irl.

Looks like the only way for black stories to be in media is when it's purely fictional like Black Panther. For all the sperging about slavery, they like a really (npi) whitewashed view of it and all of their inventors and scientists tend to be fraudulent.

 

[Manly_Brony]

They already did The Woman King and we know how they turned out. Same for Hidden Figures. Both happened to be historical frauds, Hidden Figures one irl.

Seeing them orgasm upon watching the Nubian girlboss kill YT flick trailer and raging about getting hoodwinked to see an actual slaver movie was pure joy as I had a lot of fun dunking on everything from aspiring rapper to slavery expert before it hit theaters who were trying to defend the Kingdom of Dahomey.

 

[Mary Lee Harvey osWalsh]

While I think there are times it doesn't matter if a character is race or gender swapped. There certainly are the times where it is an ideology manifesting.

Right, race-swapping isn't inherently a bad thing. I don't think anyone disagrees that Morgan Freeman was perfect in Shawshank Redemption, while the character in the book was white.

But unfortunately, 99% of the time it's a political, ideologically-driven bullshit thing.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

I really think a lot of peeps are over thinking this.

I don't think Nolan is really that woke. He just really really REALLY, wantwantss an Oscar to top ofofff his career.

And the only chance he has is to ensure his last, best film meets the DIE standards necessary to be allowed to enter the judging.

Wether Nolan is as woke ass as the rest of Hollywood who sets the standards he must abide by to qualify really don't matter as, ultimately the outcome is the same.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I don't think Nolan is really that woke. He just really really REALLY, wantz an Oscar to top of his career.

He already has two Oscars, though: Best Director for Oppenheimer and for best movie as producer. And Oppenheimer also made five more. Unless I am misremembering this...?

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

He already has two Oscars, though: Best Director for Oppenheimer and for best movie as producer. And Oppenheimer also made five more. Unless I am misremembering this...?

Ah I did not know that bit. I don't follow Nolan and I neverv
watch movies or entertainment news so I was unaware.

So yah, just disregard my post then

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Ah I did not know that bit. I don't follow Nolan and I neverv
watch movies or entertainment news so I was unaware.

So yah, just disregard my post then

I'm sure you're not the only one who's said that he's doing this because he wants an Oscar. I've read this here and in other places... which makes you think how irrelevant not only the Awards are now that nobody remembers he's a winner, but how irrelevant Oppenheimer also was that people don't remember it won Best Movie. All people remember about it it's Barbieheimer and that's funny.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Right, race-swapping isn't inherently a bad thing. I don't think anyone disagrees that Morgan Freeman was perfect in Shawshank Redemption, while the character in the book was white.

But unfortunately, 99% of the time it's a political, ideologically-driven bullshit thing.

Only a nigger lover wants to see Morgan Freeman in anything. Anyone without complete and total nigger fatigue is just a pathetic racial cuckold. You can literally replace the names and movies in your post with the Odyssey and find hundreds of exact matches on reddit. "Right, race-swapping isn't inherently a bad thing. I don't think anyone disagrees that Lupita Nyongo was perfect in The Odyssey, while the character in the book was white".

i'm just sick of seeing niggers in everything

I don't want to see them in anything. Even portraying drug dealers or pimps.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I don't mind Morgan Freeman because he's a good actor, but I think he's the reason why people now think the Moors were all black (he played one in Robin Hood).

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I don't mind Morgan Freeman because he's a good actor, but I think he's the reason why people now think the Moors were all black (he played one in Robin Hood).

Likely the one-two punch of Robin Hood and 1995's Othello, although Othello (who's a Moor) has been depicted as black or dark-skinned since the 1800s anyway.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Likely the one-two punch of Robin Hood and 1995's Othello, although Othello (who's a Moor) has been depicted as black or dark-skinned since the 1800s anyway.

At least you have some sort of visual representation of why Othello is being treated different. Morgan Freeman as a moor ain't as bad because some moors could have been black, but now people think all of them were. That's that problem with movies doing this type of changes. Movies have way more influence than books nowadays.

 

[Screamer_2]

Aside from the "should", James Bond being black really ain't as far-fetched if we just go for the fact that the best actor trying for the role happened to be a black man. If that's the case, then so be it as long as the actor is handsome, capable of doing the stunts, has seductive charisma, and embodies the attitude of the 007. It's the "should" when the ideology kicks in because, when this type of situation happens, the whole "should" comes from the idea that it needs to be a change from a traditional white actor or actress because it's been domain of the whites too long, hence the "should". Hence, looking a black actor in purpose.

There's a difference between the archetype of a character, versus the actual character. James Bond simply isn't black and many stories told of him would have to be changed if he was black. He is not a character that exists and experiences the world as a black man.

There could be a spy with many attributes that are similar, but any version of Bond that is black would fundamentally be a new character. The only reason to do so would be to get rid of a white James Bond. Which is what a lot of the calls for race swapping is about. They don't want a black Bond, they want to end a white Bond and replace him.

It's different to the reasons for race swapping in The Odyessey, but it's simply they would never want to say the most beautiful person is white.