Netflix's The Witcher series

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Vikings up until season 5 (it should have ended with Ragnar's death) was great. TLK doesn't suck, not really. It's consistent and it delivers.

Jessica Jones season 1 fucking sucked but I'm not into comic series usually. I'm a big Punisher fan and am sad to see it go, though.

Thing is, Hissrich doesn't have the chops for a scenario as dark as The Witcher and Netflix will regret their choices in making this.
 
Vikings up until season 5 (it should have ended with Ragnar's death) was great. TLK doesn't suck, not really. It's consistent and it delivers.

Jessica Jones season 1 fucking sucked but I'm not into comic series usually. I'm a big Punisher fan and am sad to see it go, though.

Thing is, Hissrich doesn't have the chops for a scenario as dark as The Witcher and Netflix will regret their choices in making this.

To be honest, they probably picked her because she was cheap and they worked with her before, so there's a familiarity and less of a 'risk' involved. Carrying a Dark Fantasy series is incredibly difficult, as this one is more 'fantasy' than GoT was, which you have to carefully manage or shit becomes expensive quick. The thing is that she basically almost turned it down because she was like, "I don't live and breathe fantasy, so I'm probably not the right person." She was right, she wasn't. But Netflix worked with her before, figured that if they had problems they could lean on that. And I do give Hissrich props for not shitting all over the fans. Also she said this:

“The truth is, 20 years ago we needed to be giving young women more opportunities. That’s the only way you get me in my position now,” she says. “What you don’t want is just to say, ‘All showrunners need to be half women and half men,’ because then, for men and women, you could get inexperienced people doing those jobs, failing, and then not getting the opportunity to do them again.”

So I don't really think she's pushing the super diverse agenda mega hard, because of the amount of shit she'd get from saying this. Her and Cavil seem to be rebuffing the media attempts to just shit all over people. I mean, some faggot from the LA Times asked him about GamerGate and the 'toxic gamer community' and he just said 'People in the community are very active and passionate and don't have any other connection than the internet, so they tend to say not so nice things to each other.' That's a dude that knows tact and how not to be baited. I would not be surprised if Henry Cavil was a secret shit poster on the internet.

Cavil also DESPERATELY wanted the role. I mean, its sad its not better, but it is LEAGUES better than Game of Thrones from Season 6 onwards. He is also reportedly getting paid $400k per episode, which is why everything else looks cheap. When you factor him in, with CGI and props, money runs out quick.

I do agree with you that Hissrich was probably the wrong choice. I don't think Netflix picked her for diversity points however. Even they're not that fucking dumb. Good showrunners with tons of experience are expensive and really hard to manage. They also probably had to factor in cost, had a working relationship and probably could get her for a lot cheaper than others.

Sure, but she gives her up pretty much immediately and by making that girl the helper of Stregobor, it kinda made the girl the only one she had to threaten. A lot different than getting ready to massacre an entire village.

A bit into episode two now. I'm not sure if it's the lighting, cinematography, overall production values, or what... but something makes it feels like a bigger budget CW show. Really, I don't think it seems much better than The 100.

She said in the episode she'd kill as many people as she needed to get Stregobor to come to her. Most of their budget was tied up in CG and Henry Cavil, so its hard to blame them.

I don't like diversity casting either but that's very far from the show's weakest link.

I wish diversity casting was its only problem. Sadly, it is not. And it isn't that really big of a deal. I wish they'd kept it so that the black actors were in specialized roles, like the guy that ran scouts for Cintra, which makes it so you could think there was some far off land that lords recruited these dudes to do some work for them, like you'd see merchants and shit, but not regular people. But its not a big deal, and I'd rank it basically on the bottom of the shows problems.

The music is another thing. Compare basically the main theme from 'The Witcher' OST, which follows throughout all the games:


to 'The Witcher's Theme:


Like you get that really awesome musical sting with the games and there's this awesome theme for Geralt. The violin really expresses the loneliness and desolate nature of the setting and the character of Geralt, who walks his own path. You then get a nice bit of heavy metal going for Epic Ballad territory.

The show's theme is merely 'OK' compared to it. It just feels lacking in character in comparison.

Honestly, it does feel like the games are superior to the show. When I'm watching it, a lot of the time I'm like, "Why am I not playing the game?" Like the track 'Dancing with Monsters' pops on, or the theme from the cinematic trailer and its just boom. I guess its not really fair to compare a sort of Ok show to one of the best games ever made and possibly the greatest RPG in the history of gaming.

I know its based off of the books, but you've got to contend the games shot Witcher into the stratosphere. So most people are going to compare it to that. I just don't think Netflix had the right amount of money to pull this off.
 
I do agree with you that Hissrich was probably the wrong choice. I don't think Netflix picked her for diversity points however. Even they're not that fucking dumb. Good showrunners with tons of experience are expensive and really hard to manage. They also probably had to factor in cost, had a working relationship and probably could get her for a lot cheaper than others.

I don't think she, specifically was chosen for diversity points, but almost every single person in their casting list was, one way or another.

Fringilla Vigo, Yennefer, Triss. Hell, it's unfair to the actress but her-as-Yennefer just looks like she smells putrid to me. Then going around blacking all the roles because 'lol why not'. And then the first cope they did was use the author's words as if it's absolute evidence of diversity.

Being honest, Hissrich could thrive in procedure dramas, but she's not good for the fantasy shit.
 
I'm sad for Cavil that the show isn't better.

Same here.

I don't think she, specifically was chosen for diversity points, but almost every single person in their casting list was, one way or another.

Fringilla Vigo, Yennefer, Triss. Hell, it's unfair to the actress but her-as-Yennefer just looks like she smells putrid to me. Then going around blacking all the roles because 'lol why not'. And then the first cope they did was use the author's words as if it's absolute evidence of diversity.

Being honest, Hissrich could thrive in procedure dramas, but she's not good for the fantasy shit.

The problem is we don't know if it was Netflix higher ups mandated it or it was her. Netflix has done a TON of profit losing woke shit before. So its possible they went with a showrunner they knew would acquiesce to their demands of diversity rather than someone else who would just cast all the roles accordingly or fight them on it. So its hard to say if she's responsible.

The thing is the show has a ton of major problems before you get into diversity casting. Not least of which is you're right, Hissrich is a bad fit for dark fantasy. But they picked her to control her and have her for cheap. So Netflix was already not caring.
 
I really like the Witcher universe - played all games, read all books available in English anyways, and honestly the series is better than I expected.

The change to the Lesser Evil story was meh , and I don’t like Triss’ portrayal, but the fighting choreography is really neat, the series sticks to the books pretty faithfully. And while it might be confusing for people unfamiliar with the universe to get through all the different timelines at first, it’s really an enjoyable watch.

I still don’t get why Medieval Eastern Europe is basically Wakanda though, but I’m willing to overlook it as long as the series overall is good.

Also, I’m at episode 5 now so wouldn’t know if it keeps being decent or not. But so far, it’s not that disappointing.
 
I really like the Witcher universe - played all games, read all books available in English anyways, and honestly the series is better than I expected.

The change to the Lesser Evil story was meh , and I don’t like Triss’ portrayal, but the fighting choreography is really neat, the series sticks to the books pretty faithfully. And while it might be confusing for people unfamiliar with the universe to get through all the different timelines at first, it’s really an enjoyable watch.

I still don’t get why Medieval Eastern Europe is basically Wakanda though, but I’m willing to overlook it as long as the series overall is good.

Also, I’m at episode 5 now so wouldn’t know if it keeps being decent or not. But so far, it’s not that disappointing.

As I said before, the showrunners want to make all fantasy settings look like modern day New York City.
 
It has the same problem as nearly every Netflix show I've watched has: 75% of each episode is just like two or three people talking in a small area. It's especially noticeable here since the comparison to Game of Thrones is inevitable, which often had the characters walking around gigantic sets with a ton of extras in the background, making the world seem like an actual, living place. Netflix obviously wanted their own Game of Thrones but didn't want to pay for it, and knowing them it'll probably be cancelled after the third season.

The show definitely deserves a bigger budget but not just for the production values. The creative staff could've used better talent. Outside of Alik Sakharov every director and writer looks to be a literal who, working on a CW show or just a random smattering of episodes from a random bunch of shows.
 
I highly doubt one third of demographic makeup of you know ...high fantasy based in Europe ....to be fucking niggers.

Also where r Asians. This is racist.
 
Vikings up until season 5 (it should have ended with Ragnar's death) was great. TLK doesn't suck, not really. It's consistent and it delivers.

Jessica Jones season 1 fucking sucked but I'm not into comic series usually. I'm a big Punisher fan and am sad to see it go, though.

Thing is, Hissrich doesn't have the chops for a scenario as dark as The Witcher and Netflix will regret their choices in making this.
The most consistent thing about Hissrich seems to be a time and budget management issue. Not sure it's the tone really.

On Last Kingdom I just got tired of seeing Utric go through the same character arc over and over.

The music is another thing. Compare basically the main theme from 'The Witcher' OST, which follows throughout all the games:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HoBW1VLJzds
to 'The Witcher's Theme:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oze-89KIDQ4
Like you get that really awesome musical sting with the games and there's this awesome theme for Geralt. The violin really expresses the loneliness and desolate nature of the setting and the character of Geralt, who walks his own path. You then get a nice bit of heavy metal going for Epic Ballad territory.

The show's theme is merely 'OK' compared to it. It just feels lacking in character in comparison.

Honestly, it does feel like the games are superior to the show. When I'm watching it, a lot of the time I'm like, "Why am I not playing the game?" Like the track 'Dancing with Monsters' pops on, or the theme from the cinematic trailer and its just boom. I guess its not really fair to compare a sort of Ok show to one of the best games ever made and possibly the greatest RPG in the history of gaming.

I know its based off of the books, but you've got to contend the games shot Witcher into the stratosphere. So most people are going to compare it to that. I just don't think Netflix had the right amount of money to pull this off.

Oh I never thought the sound track had even the slightest chance of living up to the game unless they hired Marcin Przybolwiczasaszaz I can't fucking do Polish names and Percival. Comparing a tv show to a book to a game 1:1 is hard to do but I think the games absolutely nailed the atmosphere and so far are better at Yennefer's characterization. Perhaps not Geralt's (hard when he's the player character) or Ciri's though. Ciri in particular is very well cast on the show.

I really like the Witcher universe - played all games, read all books available in English anyways, and honestly the series is better than I expected.

The change to the Lesser Evil story was meh , and I don’t like Triss’ portrayal, but the fighting choreography is really neat, the series sticks to the books pretty faithfully. And while it might be confusing for people unfamiliar with the universe to get through all the different timelines at first, it’s really an enjoyable watch.

I still don’t get why Medieval Eastern Europe is basically Wakanda though, but I’m willing to overlook it as long as the series overall is good.

Also, I’m at episode 5 now so wouldn’t know if it keeps being decent or not. But so far, it’s not that disappointing.
If you absolutely want to justify the modern NY demographics thing in-setting, there's the vague implication in the books that the humans on Witcher-World got stranded there from some place like Earth during the Conjunction. (Show looked set to go even harder on that in the trailer. A scene that didn't make it to the show itself had a subtly hidden modern street sign covered in vines in the woods Geralt was going through.) So maybe these are the descendants of some New York neighborhood?

Ending spoilers:
They clearly spent all their money on Sodden Hill and it still isn't quite enough. Also Vilgefortz is a disappointing jobber to Cahir, but to be fair mages in general seem weaker here than their book counterparts. Probably because of the CG budget.

It has the same problem as nearly every Netflix show I've watched has: 75% of each episode is just like two or three people talking in a small area. It's especially noticeable here since the comparison to Game of Thrones is inevitable, which often had the characters walking around gigantic sets with a ton of extras in the background, making the world seem like an actual, living place. Netflix obviously wanted their own Game of Thrones but didn't want to pay for it, and knowing them it'll probably be cancelled after the third season.

The show definitely deserves a bigger budget but not just for the production values. The creative staff could've used better talent. Outside of Alik Sakharov every director and writer looks to be a literal who, working on a CW show or just a random smattering of episodes from a random bunch of shows.
Most of the problems with the show have to do with screen time or budget. Both of those to at least some extent have to be blamed on the showrunner though, not just Netflix; who has been shy of huge b udget stuff since Marco Polo and really everyone should have known that going in.

However they're exacerbated by a flaw that you only see in adaptations done by actual fans. It's over adapted. There's stuff that's in here just because it's in the books even though it adds nothing to the TV series. Brokilon for instance is utterly pointless in the show.

That said there's a lot of potential here and I really do think with more time, a bigger budget, and experience, this crew could learn to do something really great. As it is it's merely on the lower end of good. I'm not sure that's going to be enough to satisfy hardcore fans. And the confusing way the timeline is presented may put off normies. I think it deserves at least a season 2 though to see if they really find their stride. The Striga episode was just gold, for instance.
 
Looks like it's already a pretty big hit with general audiences. Currently has a 9.2 on IMDB and a 90% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. Critics, on the other hand, are finding it pretty middling. I actually side with the critics this time; the show isn't bad but it's only a step or two above mediocre. Hopefully it's a big enough hit that they increase the budget for season two and the crew will have learned enough from season one to improve the show.
 
Looks like it's already a pretty big hit with general audiences. Currently has a 9.2 on IMDB and a 90% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. Critics, on the other hand, are finding it pretty middling. I actually side with the critics this time; the show isn't bad but it's only a step or two above mediocre. Hopefully it's a big enough hit that they increase the budget for season two and the crew will have learned enough from season one to improve the show.

Some of those positive audience scores were before people saw it. Either fanboys or being astroturfed partially.
 
On Last Kingdom I just got tired of seeing Utric go through the same character arc over and over.

That is a flaw in the source material, sadly. Always small consolidated gains, but Bernard's MCs always lose women, only to land a new piece of tail.

And even if they justified the NY BS, there's plenty of places the humans could've escaped from, and most of the darker toned humans are from the south of the continent all this shit happens. Truth is, they wanted to push diversity because one of the largest shareholders of Netflix (his initials are G.S.) INSISTS on the diversity shit.

Lauren just happens to really dig the diversity part, is cheaper to hire, and is easily controllable. Netflix will be losing money over the years, they made waves with the 'Jesus Christ is Gay' Brazilian-leftist comedy series and they're about to lose the third largest Internet market as a result of that.

Looks like it's already a pretty big hit with general audiences. Currently has a 9.2 on IMDB and a 90% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. Critics, on the other hand, are finding it pretty middling. I actually side with the critics this time; the show isn't bad but it's only a step or two above mediocre. Hopefully it's a big enough hit that they increase the budget for season two and the crew will have learned enough from season one to improve the show.

You can smell the astroturf from here, my friend. There are some good points, I will admit, but the 'otherworldly beautiful' Yennefer looks like the piece of shit MC from ME: Andromeda.

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Anyone find actress for yennefer...too young and lacking graceful yet agitated look? She just looks agitated and bored. Lots of boobs tho. Half the time she was naked in some ways. Channeling her inner "Batwoman" speech style from Anna Hathaway or that ginger chick from the last witch hunter (my greatest guilty pleasure movie .......saw it so many times....)
 
I'm not crazy about this Yennefer, no. Dunno if it's the actress, the plot, or the writing but she's just not the force of nature she was in the books. Granted she's my favorite character so I was going to be holding that to a much higher standard than the rest, but still. It's not mainly the look though that bothers me. I'm not going to say looks don't matter in a visual medium. They absolutely do. But if the acting/writing is good enough then it can make up for other aspects. Lena Headey in Game of Thrones was not at all how I imagined Cersei Lannister, but the actress did great with what she had, so it worked.

Looks like it's already a pretty big hit with general audiences. Currently has a 9.2 on IMDB and a 90% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. Critics, on the other hand, are finding it pretty middling. I actually side with the critics this time; the show isn't bad but it's only a step or two above mediocre. Hopefully it's a big enough hit that they increase the budget for season two and the crew will have learned enough from season one to improve the show.
Yeah this. Very flawed but there's glimmers of something really good here. You can at least tell the showrunners liked the material and were doing their best to honor it, aside from the mandated Netflix style casting. Although Fringilla doesn't even bother me anymore because she's a totally different character than the book version.

That is a flaw in the source material, sadly. Always small consolidated gains, but Bernard's MCs always lose women, only to land a new piece of tail.

And even if they justified the NY BS, there's plenty of places the humans could've escaped from, and most of the darker toned humans are from the south of the continent all this shit happens. Truth is, they wanted to push diversity because one of the largest shareholders of Netflix (his initials are G.S.) INSISTS on the diversity shit.

Lauren just happens to really dig the diversity part, is cheaper to hire, and is easily controllable. Netflix will be losing money over the years, they made waves with the 'Jesus Christ is Gay' Brazilian-leftist comedy series and they're about to lose the third largest Internet market as a result of that.



You can smell the astroturf from here, my friend. There are some good points, I will admit, but the 'otherworldly beautiful' Yennefer looks like the piece of shit MC from ME: Andromeda.

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I'd never read the Last Kingdom source material so if it's a flaw that comes simply from being faithful to the source then I can't fault the show writers for it. It just kind of sucks to watch a show that the main character is by far the worst part of for you.

I dunno how much Lauren Hissrich digs woke casting. It seems to just be Netflix policy and her supportive statements came up as lukewarm pre-scripted stuff. I'd imagine she'd rather have cast it closer to the books if she could.
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