Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and SOCOM general - The most "Special" groups in the U.S. Military

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I don't care how badass your training is, there is no way that Delta magically packs in more training in that short of a timeframe.

Missing a few key points key points;

1) Delta isnt some open try wheres you hit 4 years and you can go take your shot. They have a screening process and if youre some pogue whose never left the states with zero unique skills, you arent going to try out for Delta.
2) With 1 in mind, the overwhelming vast majority of Delta tryouts are gonna be from combat arms, with a huge chunk of those guys coming from SF, Rangers or similar special units so many of their guys are already going to have a very high level of training/experience as a baseline.
3) Being a SEAL and deploying doesnt mean a god damn thing. Slight power level but in my time overseas we had a SEAL detatchment on our camp. Those guys did absolutely jack shit the year I was there besides be too cool to abide by the rules. They got exactly as much "combat" experience as I did, zero.

 

[Special Kneads]

1) Delta isnt some open try wheres you hit 4 years and you can go take your shot. They have a screening process and if youre some pogue whose never left the states with zero unique skills, you arent going to try out for Delta.
2) With 1 in mind, the overwhelming vast majority of Delta tryouts are gonna be from combat arms, with a huge chunk of those guys coming from SF, Rangers or similar special units so many of their guys are already going to have a very high level of training/experience as a baseline.

I'm basing this off of what Brent Tucker said. He retired in 2021. He said Delta literally doesn't care at all what you did in the past and makes you relearn everything from the ground up. If someone tried to bring up a past experience in Ranger Battalion or SF they would get told to shut up. And Rangers and SF absolutely don't have a high level of training. SF ODAs don't have enough ammo allocation to take a 5 day carbine/pistol class in the current year. Chad Mccoy was a 24th STS PJ who worked with Rangers and he said that would get shot constantly because they didn't know what thye were doing. But yeah pretty much everyone who deployed post 2012 doesn't have direct combat experience regardless of unit. Matt Pranka who was in Delta from 2010-2019 said he was in 5 engagements total. There are current Delta OTC instructors who have never been in an engagement. We're back to pre-9/11 territory.

 

[Justtocheck]

I'm basing this off of what Brent Tucker said. He retired in 2021. He said Delta literally doesn't care at all what you did in the past and makes you relearn everything from the ground up. If someone tried to bring up a past experience in Ranger Battalion or SF they would get told to shut up. And Rangers and SF absolutely don't have a high level of training. SF ODAs don't have enough ammo allocation to take a 5 day carbine/pistol class in the current year. Chad Mccoy was a 24th STS PJ who worked with Rangers and he said that would get shot constantly because they didn't know what thye were doing. But yeah pretty much everyone who deployed post 2012 doesn't have direct combat experience regardless of unit. Matt Pranka who was in Delta from 2010-2019 said he was in 5 engagements total. There are current Delta OTC instructors who have never been in an engagement. We're back to pre-9/11 territory.

Probably missed the rest of them because he was hungover.

 

[Generic Anime Girl]

you are not a SIGMA MALE, man. I hope this man kills himself in a PTSD flashback.

 

[Justtocheck]

you are not a SIGMA MALE, man. I hope this man kills himself in a PTSD flashback.

It is really hard sometimes not to be MATI in this thread. I really feel for the kids though. Imagine having that fucking monster as your father. He is totally grooming them to be like him.

 

[Finnish Air Force]

Did Rob O'Neill really name his daughter Valor?




This is the only photo I can find of a SEAL Team 6 Operator carrying a hatchet. Dom Raso was in Gold Squadron

 

[Justtocheck]

Did Rob O'Neill really name his daughter Valor?
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Perhaps, his TBI riddled brain probably has something going on with "Stolen Valor" for some reason I could not fathom. And that phrase is stuck in his brain long enough that when the wife asked for a name suggestion, he mumbled in a drunken stupor "...erherh 'en VALOR". And he got the name from that.

Edit: Added Dom with the Hatchet to the OP

 

[The Delta Farce]

This is the Reddit account of John Steinbaugh a 54 year old retired Delta medic. The most pathetic comment I think I've ever seen. Imagine being a 54 year old man and absolutely seething on Reddit about something that happened 12 years ago, while talking about how much you don't care. Maturity of an eleven year old girl



Also what he says is simply not true. Army Generals have been in charge of JSOC and SOCOM since 2014, and 6 still gets all the missions so....

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Edit- apparently GBRS addressed the employee arrest drama on their patreon, but you have to pay five dollars to see it

https://www.patreon.com/GBRSGroup

https://archive.is/07ISo

 

[Justtocheck]

This is the Reddit account of John Steinbaugh a 54 year old retired Delta medic. The most pathetic comment I think I've ever seen. Imagine being a 54 year old man and absolutely seething on Reddit about something that happened 12 years ago, while talking about how much you don't care. Maturity of an eleven year old girl
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Also what he says is simply not true. Army Generals have been in charge of JSOC and SOCOM since 2014, and 6 still gets all the missions so....

There's a lot one could criticize about the UBL mission that's very reasonable. The fact that they crashed a +10 million dollar prototype stealth helicopter due to improper planning. The fact that a book was written without authorization by """MARK OWEN"""" revealing TTPs, the whole canoe and who got the kill fiasco, nobody bringing a measuring tape, O'Neill's conduct, etc.

But no, it comes down to "it was an admiral who fucked us over, and SEALs use shake weights and are very gay." kinda like this pic from operators in Yemen that looks like they came out of a biker gay club.

I'm sorry, that's Dale Comstock from Delta. (forgot to add him to the OP)

 

[Dean Pentel]

The wood chopping and prying doors is obviously an excuse. The hatchets are for hacking people. Historical battle hatchets were always very small because unlike in movies and fantasy cartoons it's really hard to swing a giant axe.

In the recent past I bought a Gränsfors Large Carving Axe and an Autine Bushman to use during camping/hunting trips. Being the kind of guy I am, of course I tried swinging them around like weapons. I thought they moved well enough but keep in mind I don't do HEMA or the like and I have no formal training in using weapons like these. Then I bought a tomahawk actually designed to be used on people and it's like Finny said, much lighter than even those small axes and it would be dogshit as a tool to do chores with. And there's no way that anyone that's actually seen a weapon like that would buy it'd be used in any other fashion.

Edit: Should have checked the OP since all this does is echo it. You all know what I mean, though.

BUD/S, or Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL school, is an arduous six-month training program designed to forge elite warriors from ordinary men. But in today's 21st century warfare, does it still serve its purpose? Is the torturous regimen necessary to create a SEAL? The answer I think is no.

Before talking with a few guys that went through it and became SEALs, reading this thread and other, similar bits of info on the Internet, I used to think BUD/S was more for sorting out which candidates would be worth the cost to SEAL resources to train. It was surprising to see its utility toward that end is basically nonexistent.

 

[Justtocheck]

Before talking with a few guys that went through it and became SEALs, reading this thread and other, similar bits of info on the Internet, I used to think BUD/S was more for sorting out which candidates would be worth the cost to SEAL resources to train. It was surprising to see its utility toward that end is basically nonexistent.

I honestly think it's a scam that's been allowed to move forward by the Navy to "protect the brand". It really comes down to incentives. If I'm already a SEAL, and the number of SEALs increases, then my "elite" status decreases along, and with that, the opportunities for juicy things like book deals, consulting and teaching gigs, contracting work, etc.

The incentive would be to keep the amount of SEAL recruits who make it small by creating in BUD/S the conditions where most of the candidates are too injured/sick and have to wash out (or straight up performance dropping, which is something that they can totally do, even if you don't ring the bell) and only have graduates that will go along with "the plan" for the higher ups to make money. Selecting the best candidates for America to have as warriors has no part in it.

Just because a lot of good warriors emerge in the other end, I think, is in spite of BUD/S, not because of it. If I broke Usain's Bolt's knee with a baseball bat, but after a year of healing he still runs faster than %99 of humans, my knee capping abilities had little to do with it.

But what's bullshit is that so many young, fit, energetic men who want to do great things for the country, end up in this fucked up system, broken physically, told they are wash-outs shitbags and given the boot. If they are lucky. Or they could be Kyle Mullen and get killed by the cadre. Al-Qaeda didn't even lift a finger for America to kill a potentially amazing warrior. A man who'd let pneumonia kill him after a week getting physically broken before quitting and ringing the bell. Young men wanting to be SEALs should at least be aware of what they are getting into.

 

[The Delta Farce]

 

[Justtocheck]

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I'm not sure if he's implying he has tortured detainees somehow, or that he found IED phones in the bathroom, or both. BTW, the r/JSOCarchive lurkers have already picked up on Jesse and the hatchetguard came out immediately to defend his honor. People seem to not be having it though.


(As a disclaimer, I do not cross-post on Reddit. I only did the Adam Gamal AMA once to see if he was legit and honest, and it was a bust. I don't know who cross posts, but it's funny)

 

[The Delta Farce]

Some DEVGRU footage from Justin Sheffield. He was the lead jumper on the Jessica Buchanon rescue in Somalia and carried her to the helicopters when it was over. Disclaimer: I don't know if the music and voiceover is original or if it was added by the Youtuber who reuploaded it. Apparently Sheffield was medically retired for TBI and his book is rambling about Muslims. It's technically a fiction book so it didn't have to get approved by DOD. Smert.

Justin Sheffield/Archive




Justin's brother Brian was also in DEVGRU.

Spoiler: Taxpayer funded DEVGRU Safari

Props for the ethical shot placement unlike Pranka who shoots animals in the neck for some reason.

 

[Atypical Dog]

Did Rob O'Neill really name his daughter Valor?

Dammit, "Valerie" was right there - a perfectly normal name that gets the point across. C'mon, don't do her like that.

 

[Generic Anime Girl]

MATI in this thread

it's okay to be MATI at these retards. not all veterans need worship.

 

[Generic Anime Girl]

Joshua Wheeler gives me "Judge Holden from Blood Meridian if he had joined Delta" vibes

inb4 children go missing around this dude

 

[The Delta Farce]

inb4 children go missing around this dude

He died in 2015 in Iraq. By all accounts he was a good man who took care of his little siblings by himself when his absentee parents neglected them.

In a tiny trailer near the eastern Oklahoma border, Joshua L. Wheeler played a central role in raising his five younger siblings. He’d cook them breakfast, work odd jobs to bring in extra money, and even fasten his little’s sister’s hair in ponytails before school. The experience helped shape him as a man who was comfortable with significant amounts of responsibility, family members said.

On Oct. 22, he became the first U.S. service member to die in combat against the Islamic State after getting hit with small-arms fire during a raid carried out with Kurdish forces on a militant-run prison in Hawijah, Iraq. The mission freed some 70 prisoners who U.S. officials think would have been executed and dumped in a mass grave later that day.

https://archive.is/ZIPGE

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Delta Patches



DEVGRU has better artists

 

[Justtocheck]

He died in 2015 in Iraq. By all accounts he was a good man who took care of his little siblings by himself when his absentee parents neglected them.

VanSant said it, the good dudes in war seem to always be the ones to die and only the shitbags remain. He said McNulty was a loving father of 4 children with a healthy marriage, and was a good around good dood. And Jesse Boettcher and his shirts are still with us...

By the way, about the patches, Tom Satterly was the one who stood up D squadron. And I can see war axes there in their patch. It ain't looking good for Tom. Worst thing is I like the guy, but I guess as Matthew Cole said, good people can do bad things or make wrong choices. I read in the post that the axes are a modern variation but still. What does a red "V" mean? I know Mcfly had a hat that said "V" gang so it must mean something. They are squadron number 4 so it would be "IV" if the Roman numbers are concerned. This is my own speculation, but perhaps it could be a reference to canoeing. When you canoe someone you leave a negative V shape in their head. And it is red because of blood. If Jesse is something to go by considering Unit humor, I would not put it past them to make that reference. Just my thoughts.

 

[The Delta Farce]

Spoiler: Wall of photos

Coast X Coast Foundation Shirt


Josh Martin left


Trashy tats


Charlie Ross abusing HGH featuring a politician


Chonky boi


More HGH abuse


Pranka looking like a sickly LARPer


A Squadron Mug



Delta: "Come and take them." Taliban: "Hold my chai tea" (this photo started circulating years before the Afghanistan withdraw FWIW