US Mississippi takes step toward dropping rebel image from flag - Probably to be replaced with a retarded seal-on-blue-background flag

Mississippi takes step toward dropping rebel image from flag
By EMILY WAGSTER PETTUStoday

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — Spectators at the Mississippi Capitol broke into cheers and applause Saturday as lawmakers took a big step toward erasing the Confederate battle emblem from the state flag, a symbol that has come under intensifying criticism in recent weeks amid nationwide protests against racial injustice.

“The eyes of the state, the nation and indeed the world are on this House,” Republican Rep. Jason White told his colleagues.

On the other end of the Capitol, Sen. Briggs Hopson declared: “Today, you — Mississippi — have a date with destiny.”

Mississippi has the last state flag with the Confederate battle emblem — a red field topped by a blue X with 13 white stars. Many see the emblem as racist, and the flag has been divisive for generations in a state with a 38% Black population.

Republican Gov. Tate Reeves said Saturday for the first time that he would sign a bill to change the flag if the Republican-controlled Legislature sends him one. He previously said he would not veto one — a more passive stance.

“The argument over the 1894 flag has become as divisive as the flag itself and it’s time to end it,” Reeves said.

On Saturday, the House and Senate voted by more than the required two-thirds majority to suspend legislative deadlines and file a bill to change the flag. That allows debate on a bill as soon as Sunday.

Saturday’s vote was the big test, though, because of the margin. Only a simple majority is needed to pass a bill.

“I would never have thought that I would see the flag come down in my lifetime,” said Democratic Sen. Barbara Blackmon of Canton, who is African American.

A bill will erase the current Mississippi flag from state law. A commission will design a new flag that cannot include the Confederate battle emblem but must have the phrase “In God We Trust.” The new design will be put on the ballot Nov. 3. If a majority voting that day accept the new design, it will become the state flag. If a majority reject it, the commission will design a new flag using the same guidelines.

“I know there are many good people who ... believe that this flag is a symbol of our Southern pride and heritage,” said White, the Republican speaker pro tempore of the House. “But for most people throughout our nation and the world, they see that flag and think that it stands for hatred and oppression.”

Republican Rep. Chris Brown of Nettleton appeared at a 2016 rally outside the state Capitol for people who want to keep the Confederate emblem on the flag. He said Saturday that the current flag and a proposed new design should both go on the ballot.

“I don’t think we can move forward together if we say, ‘You can have any flag you want except ... this one,’” Brown said. “If we put the current flag on the ballot with another good design, the people of Mississippi will change it. ... Let’s not steal their joy.”

White supremacists in the Legislature set the state flag design in 1894 during backlash to the political power that African Americans gained after the Civil War.

The Mississippi Supreme Court ruled in 2000 that the flag lacked official status. State laws were updated in 1906, and portions dealing with the flag were not carried forward. Legislators set a flag election in 2001, and voters kept the rebel-themed design.

Democratic state Rep. Ed Blackmon of Canton — the husband of Sen. Barbara Blackmon — told the House on Saturday that threats were made against him and others who served on a flag design commission in 2000. Ed Blackmon said Mississippi needs a design without the Confederate design so his children and grandchildren can stand at attention when they see it.

“We’ll all be proud to say, ‘That’s my flag, too,’” Blackmon said.

All of the state’s public universities and several cities and counties have stopped flying it because of the Confederate symbol.

Influential business, religious, education and sports groups are calling on Mississippi to drop the Confederate symbol.

People for and against the current flag filled the Capitol on Saturday.

Karen Holt of Edwards, Mississippi, was with several people asking lawmakers to adopt a new banner with a magnolia, which is both the state tree and the state flower. She said it would represent “joy of being a citizen of the United States,” unlike the current flag.

“We don’t want anything flying over them, lofty, exalting itself, that grabs onto a deadly past,” Holt said.

Dan Hartness of Ellisville, Mississippi, walked outside the Capitol carrying a pole that with the American flag and the current Mississippi flag. He said the state flag pays tribute to those who fought in the Civil War.

“Being a veteran, that’s important to me — that you remember these guys that fought in battle, whether they’re on the right side or the wrong side,” Hartness said.

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Why do people care? Most people associated it with rednecks and general rebellion until they started crying about it.
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Well, apparently the proposal to change the flag has passed the Miss. House and Senate and Tate Reeves, who's a pretty good guy despite looking like a sunburned thumb with no chin, is going to sign it. Next up they're going to have a committee come up with the designs, the only stipulation so far is that the flag must have the motto "In God We Trust" somewhere on it.

Now they'll move on to something else, like trying to burn down Beauvoir (awesome place, BTW. Fall Muster is a lot of fun).
 
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Seriously though, the flag is red. I have never had any feelings towards it one way or another. I feel like we should have just allowed it to become a generic symbol of rebellion against authority.

I'm colorblind, my apologies. I legitimately thought it was orange this whole time.

As for the content, though, I don't think that the flag could have ever become something generic. It has too much specificity behind it. It's sorta like how a swastika can be a generic symbol with various meanings depending on culture, and specifically in the west 99% of the time it means "white supremacist". If you put it on a red flag with a white circle, though, it recognizably means specifically "the ww2 era German nazi party", and if an American were to wear it, that's weird. The Confederate flag is the same way imo except none of its component symbolism can be used separately from it, unlike something like the Gadsden flag, which I feel is the superior American anti-authoritarian symbol.
 
Changing the flag isn't going to be enough for them. Next they're going to want to expell all white people from the state and redistribute their possessions amongst the holy PoCs in the state of Mississippi.
You jumped like 20 steps lmao; It is posts like these that make me wish there was a "fast" rating for jumping the gun: The actual next step is that state becoming more like South Carolina while South Carolina becomes more like North Carolina and North Carolina becomes more like Virginia... etc.
 
So... if you are a White Mississippian, why should you vote Republican again?
Because the Republicans will leave them to their own devices.

Mississippi has bigger problems, like the dumb as dirt blue-gum negroes in the delta losing what few jobs there are to illegal aliens. It's not even the delta blacks' fault that they're so dumb. Every generation since the Civil War, the smart ones leave. Serious brain drain over a hundred and fifty years. There's no tax base to support any sort of adequate school system in these dying delta towns.
Sounds like Mississippi and many other Southern states need to allocate their resources to education instead of anti-abortion laws. And this bullshit.

But at least they're a RED state?!
 
Exactly, you're paranoid. I never heard them say "kill whitey". (Although I did say it as a joke sometimes, because it's funny.)
There's footage of "peaceful protesters" pulling down a statue of Thomas Jefferson chanting "kill whitey". All the while being encouraged by these city's politicians and MSM.
 
I guess Dimebag's washburn dime 333 rebel is now officially an instrument of racism.
 
So is there videos of white people chanting "Jews will not replace us", and "White Power" and "Blood and soil", so both sides are guilty, but you only see it when the other side does it.
Because the people saying "kill whitey" are getting cheered on by the MSM, academia, and the DNC. That's why it's an issue you mong.
 
You still don't get that "kill whitey" is just irony, they're just joking. We shouldn't attack jokes, because they are human's best tool, to express themselves.
When you have op-eds being printed called "Why I Won't Let My Kids Be Friends With White People", and colleges making White-free safe spaces, professors teaching students that Whites have no culture and stole everything from you, and now you have people in the streets chanting "kill whitey" doesn't sound like a joke.
 
Sounds like Mississippi and many other Southern states need to allocate their resources to education instead of anti-abortion laws. And this bullshit.

But at least they're a RED state?!

Let me explain something about Mississippi: It's a poor state. It's always been a poor state, since the Civil War. You're talking about a place without much of a tax base. Resources means money. Most of the state barely has enough of a tax base to support their own, local educational systems, much less the money to support other towns' abysmally poor local educational systems. It's been said that Mississippi has never recovered from the Civil War economically, and I think that's a pretty true statement. The Gulf Coast does pretty well with tourism and gambling, and that gets a good bit of tax revenue and the school systems along the Gulf are modern and well-equipped. The Mississippi Delta is a black hole of poor governance, unemployment, crime, and general poverty. Funds that are available tend to be wasted or disappear. Delta school boards are a real hotbed of corruption. And it's very sad, some of the nicest, warmest people I've ever met are from dying Delta towns like Mound Bayou or Ruleville.

As for being a red state, that's just not true, at least not in the sense you mean. It votes Republican currently, true, but Democrat governors are pretty common and there's lots and lots of Dem politicians at the local and state level. What Mississippi is is a conservative, small government state. People are perfectly willing to vote blue if the candidate seems sane. The small government thing is pretty much a necessity. The tax base just doesn't exist to support a large government bureaucracy or wide-spread, generous social programs. Much of the support work and resources for poor Mississippians comes from charities, especially church charities. People forget that Mississippi is mostly rural with a small population.

TLDR: You can't just miracle up money to fund school systems. I'm not even going to address your little thing about abortion because it's both stupid and non-germane to the discussion at hand, other than to say writing anti-abortion laws is absolutely free. Zero dollars have been diverted from education to write anti-abortion laws.
 
I'm colorblind, my apologies. I legitimately thought it was orange this whole time.

To be fair, you're really close. The General Lee on the Dukes was painted orange. And as mentioned earlier, that show ended up popularizing the icon for a new generation of people. So one often ends up seeing the red flag on an orange background.

Also, some people who aren't red-green colorblind just can't seem to decide what the boundary is between red, orange, and even brown. Orange is a relatively new color (word) and brown is just a shade of orange with something lighter surrounding it...so the same object might get described as three different colors, depending on who's looking.
 
I haven't heard anyone white being racist against blacks in a long time, but no one, no one has anything good to say about the illegals. They're fucking up wages, they're taking jobs, they're pushing up rents, and the crime rate is increasing.
Yes but who will cut my lawn and I don't feel like paying full price?
 
Won't this just turn the Confederate flag into a true symbol of defiance and rebellion? It certainly make for a way better counter culture symbol than a rainbow or BLM's totally-not-the-Imperial-Fists logo.

I know if I ever were to make products catering to rebellious teens, I'm incorporating the stars and bars.

There was a time when some hippes used the Confederate flag colors for the "peace sign". Talk about irony! :story:
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