Mental illness / Self Diagnosis

[crebchen]

I think what irks me the most about the whole thing is they want fellow 'neurodivergent' psychiatrists or therapists to tend to their issues, especially ones with the disorders they claim to have. When the point of these professionals being 'neurotypical' would be so they could properly recognise symptoms and traits of various mental illnesses so they could get a proper diagnosis without bias (and probably not have their job drive them literally up a wall).

This in theory works for something like depression, but would you really want a fellow schizophrenic diagnosing you? Really?

Of course, self-dx'ers don't want a proper diagnosis, or at least one that doesn't fit within their narrative. I'm sure psychiatrists and therapists can probably have something mentally wrong with them (to a degree) and still do their job just fine, but they would be taking treatment for the issue and working through it. Which of course, is something these idiots would never do -- the crutch of saying "but I'm borderline!" or "but you aren't respecting my triggers" is too easy a way out.

 

[Loxiozzz]

To add on to that, some gose as far saying that doctors and therapists only study the "white cis stright male" body so they don't need to go because they are wrong.
I really wish I was kidding when I say I've seen multiple people on tumblr say that.

It's actually really sad. You try to help some of them and so that they don't have to pretend having 16 different disorders and they give silly excuses as to why they won't get help. I think the worst one I saw said something like " I know what I have! I don't need a doctor! Stopp ha rassinng ch iildreen!" The majority of them don't want to go because they know there's nothing wrong with them, but they wouldn't tell the rest of their followers that. I makes me wonder if the get any attention outside of tumblr.

 

[Flamesoul the Diabolical]

One thing that really irks me is when they threaten to commit suicide and all their friends-and even total strangers-start freaking out and worrying about them because, you know, that's a really serious thing.
I can usually tell when they fake an attempt, it is incredibly obvious. I'll give an example of one I witnessed on deviantART. They disappeared for a couple hours after making the journal. Then a dA friend of theirs posted a journal with a transcript of a Skype conversation with a relative of the person who "attempted" and the relative said they were unconscious and had taken a bunch of pills, and they were at the hospital now. That was sign number one. Their family would NOT be concerned with telling her online friends, nor would they even know who to contact, and the person turned out to be one of the dA friends who was super concerned? Uhhhh yeah, no.
The next morning- MORNING, mind you- the person posted a journal saying they had gotten out of the hospital and they were okay. So, yeah, that clinched it. If you OD'ed on pills, they would have pumped your stomach (I'm not sure how long it would take to recover but certainly not a mere few hours), and they would most likely have to stay in the hospital for at LEAST a few days.
Then there's that part where it was apparently a suicide attempt- don't you think they would have kept her to monitor her, to make sure she wasn't in danger of hurting herself?

A bit of a powerlevel here but when I went to the hospital for suicidal IDEATION (not even an attempt), they kept me there for a whole miserable goddamn week. In order to leave, there was a buttfuckton of a lot of paperwork and discussions to be had.
Anyway, yeah, it was total bs and I could see it from a mile away.

Some proof: http://sta.sh/0bdl0p1p6vs
I guess it wasn't just the one friend but all of her contact list on Skype. Still though, they wouldn't even think about messaging anyone. And it was like, the middle of the night, why would they be concerned about her sleeping for "a long time"?
Bottom part is from my page by the way, I'm guessing she visited it because I was freaking out on her journal too and was begging her not to go through with it. Ugh, little fucking brat.

It's actually really sad. You try to help some of them and so that they don't have to pretend having 16 different disorders and they give silly excuses as to why they won't get help. I think the worst one I saw said something like " I know what I have! I don't need a doctor! Stopp ha rassinng ch iildreen!" The majority of them don't want to go because they know there's nothing wrong with them, but they wouldn't tell the rest of their followers that. I makes me wonder if the get any attention outside of tumblr.

I saw someone say they wouldn't go get a professional diagnosis because apparently doctors are ableist. Uuummmm????? Wow-just, wow.

 

[Surfacescum]

That's the culture now, unfortunately. A former friend of mine started threatening suicide over my not shipping a series' main pairing. I had other life stuff going on at the time, but every Skype chat she threatened suicide or said her parents were abusing her (lit. strangling) if she felt the attention shifted away from her.

So I called CPS and she flipped out. Didn't hear from her again after that because I blocked her, but there was a lot of passive aggressive bullshit in her tags going on.

See, Tumblrinas know that suicide attempts are the one thing that most people will take seriously and then will receive sympathy and asspats for. It's an easy way to get attention, no matter how wrong it is. Because Tumblr is full of people who don't have much of a life outside the internet, they feel they can relate or that they have a "friend" in a follower after just speaking with them for two days (don't get me wrong, I have people over the internet I consider friends, but I talk to them on a daily or weekly basis--they aren't just some arbitrary follower). Most people browse Tumblr with a quick glance and skim over a lot of text posts, so having "SUICIDE" in big bold headings is an easy way to get attention and an easy way for those browsing through the edgy tags to intentionally set themselves off.

There's apparently a whole subculture of showing off your hospital bracelets if you've been institutionalized as "proof" and I'll have to see if they still have the post, but I have a couple people on my dash who have admitted they faked institutionalization (why you would, I'm not sure).

They don't know how to log off, get some fresh air, and get involved in the real world.

 

[crebchen]

A bit of a powerlevel here but when I went to the hospital for suicidal IDEATION (not even an attempt), they kept me there for a whole miserable goddamn week. In order to leave, there was a buttfuckton of a lot of paperwork and discussions to be had.
Anyway, yeah, it was total bs and I could see it from a mile away.

Slight bit of powerlevel as well -- Had a friend who was held against her will for suicidal ideation (she also didn't attempt although she had obtained what she needed for her method), and I believe she was also held for a week. Additionally, had to keep going for weekly checkups for at least two or so months.

It's so easy to smell their bullshit when they pull a suicide 'attempt'. And yes, people will take it very seriously -- as you would hope they would -- so they use it as an absolutely disgusting attention grab. If I can tell it's not real, that person goes on my shitlist and blocklist very, very quickly. I've dealt with a friend actually doing it, I don't need to see you making a mockery of it.

That's the culture now, unfortunately. A former friend of mine started threatening suicide over my not shipping a series' main pairing. I had other life stuff going on at the time, but every Skype chat she threatened suicide or said her parents were abusing her (lit. strangling) if she felt the attention shifted away from her.

So I called CPS and she flipped out. Didn't hear from her again after that because I blocked her, but there was a lot of passive aggressive bullshit in her tags going on.

Hopefully she got in deep shit with her parents for saying such things, because that could have gotten them in a fucking world of trouble. I know most of these kids are stupid teenagers with the need for attention whoring, but the lack of foresight into someone taking that kind of talk seriously really astounds me sometimes. Is your need to be the centre of attention so fucking great that you're wiling to get your parents investigated by CPS and/or sent to jail?

 

[Surfacescum]

Hopefully she got in deep shit with her parents for saying such things, because that could have gotten them in a fucking world of trouble. I know most of these kids are stupid teenagers with the need for attention whoring, but the lack of foresight into someone taking that kind of talk seriously really astounds me sometimes. Is your need to be the centre of attention so fucking great that you're wiling to get your parents investigated by CPS and/or sent to jail?

I'm not sure what happened after that, to be honest. She never posted about it on Tumblr, just threw it out mid-conversation when I was calling her out on some stuff. This was also the underage girl who asked me for links for an adult comic (I collect comics and post non-explicit summaries about my collection online), and when I refused, she TOLD me she was looking for the porn on her FATHER'S computer. Needless to say, I chewed her out saying I didn't need to know that, noped real hard and blocked her. She then complained over Tumblr about it and to a couple mutual friends. There's a lot of dirt on that person I could expose, but I think the unwritten rule here is that the cows have to be 16 and up and she was just barely that age.

I'm curious the ratio of actual suicide letters to fake ones (probably more fake than real), and I always do worry that someone might be genuine but the amount of attention seekers has made me very weary and skeptical of most "threats."

 

[ghosthost]

Kids pretending to suicide on the internet is nothing new. I've been on art sites for more than a decade and I'd see fake suicide attempts way too often, especially when I used to have a dA. It's way more common now though, a friend was just telling me the other day about how this starrykin asshole faked their own death (and by that I mean cry-typing a journal) to restart as queixar because he couldn't handle people calling him out for being a nazi, suicide baiter, and general scumbag. Kids say the darnedest things.

Kids pretending to have mental illnesses on the internet isn't that new either, but it used to be that you'd chew out someone who's clearly faking for attention. I miss those days.

 

[Flamesoul the Diabolical]

Kids pretending to suicide on the internet is nothing new. I've been on art sites for more than a decade and I'd see fake suicide attempts way too often, especially when I used to have a dA. It's way more common now though, a friend was just telling me the other day about how this starrykin asshole faked their own death (and by that I mean cry-typing a journal) to restart as queixar because he couldn't handle people calling him out for being a nazi, suicide baiter, and general scumbag. Kids say the darnedest things.

Kids pretending to have mental illnesses on the internet isn't that new either, but it used to be that you'd chew out someone who's clearly faking for attention. I miss those days.

Oh damn, I know him!! He and I are mutuals, he's pretty chill when he's not being an ass lol. It doesn't mean I agree with his views but I just enjoy talking to him sometimes, it's such a breath of fresh air compared to talking to other people on dA to be honest. He's back on his main by the way, I have no idea what happened with that whole queixar thing, I think he deleted the journal or something.

 

[ghosthost]

Oh damn, I know him!! He and I are mutuals, he's pretty chill when he's not being an ass lol. It doesn't mean I agree with his views but I just enjoy talking to him sometimes, it's such a breath of fresh air compared to talking to other people on dA to be honest. He's back on his main by the way, I have no idea what happened with that whole queixar thing, I think he deleted the journal or something.

Spoiler: off-topic

Man that dude's hilarious, I remember seeing him complaining about how people hate him so much. I mean, what do you expect if you go around telling people to kill themselves, right?
Also, I think I have an archive of his journal? He was kind of like a personal lolcow before I knew about the farms.

 

[PetalPinkPuppy]

If you attempt suicide as in actually take pills or harm, expect to be in the hospital 1-2 weeks against your will and possibly turned over to the local mental hospital for an evaluation period of 3 days to 1 week with mandatory therapy afterwards and a visit from a police officer because you broke the law. The only way you're out in any less than several days is if you just went to the ER for suicidal ideation and told the doctor that nah, you don't really want to hurt yourself or if you have a shitty hospital that should be reported for not following procedure.

 

[Nested Crawler]

The only thing I really have to say, at the risk of serious powerleveling, is that one thing I've noticed is how every other teenager on tumblr "diagnoses" themselves with Borderline Personality Disorder (aka Emotionally Unstable PD) and acts like it's cute and/or an excuse for all their behavior and claiming suicidal ideation over tiny things like their ship not being canon.

It pisses me off. BPD is hell. You will ruin friendships and alienate everyone and have no goddamn clue how you did it. It's not "quirky" and it certainly isn't fun. You'll hate someone over something simple and have impulses to completely trash every relationship you have for absolutely no reason. You constantly think every single person you know is out to get you or is only your friend out of pity, and you'll hate them just as much as you love them because your brain decides you literally can't live without whatever meager affection someone gives you. You WILL be suicidal because someone hasn't spoken to you for a day or two and obviously that means they never really cared about you and love all their friends more, and the only logical thing to do is obviously to kill yourself. There's no pill you can take to magically make the symptoms manageable, either. Just therapy, which takes time to work and won't always be able to help. a lot of DBT is teaching you to analyze and react differently to situations that normally incite rage or depression, and it takes time to condition yourself to respond calmly instead of with either "fuck you I knew you hated me" or "please don't leave me I'm sorry I love you". And of course, that's all when you can actually feel anything. Therapists aren't kidding when they say one of the required criteria is "chronic feelings of emptiness".

Under very strenuous circumstances, personality disorders may be diagnosed by professionals before the age of 18. Usually this requires the disorder to be causing serious problems for the person's every day life, and I've never heard of anyone younger than 16 being diagnosed with BPD. Out of every kid on tumblr I've seen who "has" BPD, maybe 1 out of every 30 really does. And that 1 is usually the one who's in therapy and taking steps to actively deal with their disorder and make it manageable.

Why would these kids actually WANT to have BPD? Other than the SJW pity/brownie points they receive, what's the point? "I'm claiming to have a disorder that has a crippling effect on my relations with other people! That's so cool!" I don't understand it.

 

[homewrecker]

I think what irks me the most about the whole thing is they want fellow 'neurodivergent' psychiatrists or therapists to tend to their issues, especially ones with the disorders they claim to have. When the point of these professionals being 'neurotypical' would be so they could properly recognise symptoms and traits of various mental illnesses so they could get a proper diagnosis without bias (and probably not have their job drive them literally up a wall).

This in theory works for something like depression, but would you really want a fellow schizophrenic diagnosing you? Really?

Of course, self-dx'ers don't want a proper diagnosis, or at least one that doesn't fit within their narrative. I'm sure psychiatrists and therapists can probably have something mentally wrong with them (to a degree) and still do their job just fine, but they would be taking treatment for the issue and working through it. Which of course, is something these idiots would never do -- the crutch of saying "but I'm borderline!" or "but you aren't respecting my triggers" is too easy a way out.

That's the thing ; you need to know what's normal so you could figure out what's wrong! How could you expect a skitzo to know hallucinating isn't okay when they believe what they're seeing is real? The mentally undisturbed are the only ones who have a more likely chance of being unbiased.

 

[Old Blighty]

Why would these kids actually WANT to have BPD? Other than the SJW pity/brownie points they receive, what's the point? "I'm claiming to have a disorder that has a crippling effect on my relations with other people! That's so cool!" I don't understand it.

So they can act like dicks and be all 'muh BPD made me do it'. And because for some reason, people think it can't be 'cured' like depression, so even more pity points. And maybe so they can 'become' someone else and blame their 'disorder' as well. They can be as inconsistent as they want and no one can question it or abelism.

 

[crebchen]

So they can act like dicks and be all 'muh BPD made me do it'. And because for some reason, people think it can't be 'cured' like depression, so even more pity points. And maybe so they can 'become' someone else and blame their 'disorder' as well. They can be as inconsistent as they want and no one can question it or abelism.

That's sadly exactly it.

They don't want to have regular depression, because pills and therapy will fix it. At the risk of revealing powerlevel it's also why you don't see many of them claiming to have bipolar disorder. It's a unique hell, but one that is still fixable with the right medications and therapy and there's much more public awareness about it, now.

So they claim they have ridiculously terrible disorders that don't have a quick fix and that people don't understand, because the less the general population / their friends / family understand about something, the less they'll try to help them. They want people to not offer to help because they want to wallow in it.

It's a disturbing to think how much they want to become the disorder in order to get away from every shred of responsibility in their lives.

 

[Dismaying Tree]

Mental illnesses are a very thin tightrope to walk as far as faking things on the internet goes. Lying about your age or nationality is pretty easy as long as you don't post pictures of yourself or go full retard. But mental illnesses are very difficult to fake because of the symptoms sometimes crossing over into other conditions, people who aren't trained professionals doing less than five minutes of googling and such.
And, as I've noticed several times on this forum, if someone who legitimately has whatever a tard is trying to fake calls them out, they are well and truly fucked. Since tumblrinas are too lazy to do research, all their claims can be debunked in five minutes.
And, well, that just makes you look like an asshole.

On another note, tumblr's opinion of all psychologists/psychiatrists being cis white males makes me crack up because I know someone in real life who's in that profession and she's an ethnically Jewish woman. Logic fail, tumblr.

 

[Melkor]

I'm not gonna namedrop here, but I knew this one chick who was a lolcow on Flight Rising--so much that when they "triggered" her on IRC she'd attempt to send her fans on them.

This is relevant because she proceeded to self-diagnose as autistic and claimed she was a multiple system--Sera from DA:I was her first 'headmate'.

Some guy was called neurotypical by her when he expressed his skepticism of the idea of multiplicity.

 

[Anarchaprincess]

The only thing I really have to say, at the risk of serious powerleveling, is that one thing I've noticed is how every other teenager on tumblr "diagnoses" themselves with Borderline Personality Disorder (aka Emotionally Unstable PD) and acts like it's cute and/or an excuse for all their behavior and claiming suicidal ideation over tiny things like their ship not being canon.

It pisses me off. BPD is hell. You will ruin friendships and alienate everyone and have no goddamn clue how you did it. It's not "quirky" and it certainly isn't fun. You'll hate someone over something simple and have impulses to completely trash every relationship you have for absolutely no reason. You constantly think every single person you know is out to get you or is only your friend out of pity, and you'll hate them just as much as you love them because your brain decides you literally can't live without whatever meager affection someone gives you. You WILL be suicidal because someone hasn't spoken to you for a day or two and obviously that means they never really cared about you and love all their friends more, and the only logical thing to do is obviously to kill yourself. There's no pill you can take to magically make the symptoms manageable, either. Just therapy, which takes time to work and won't always be able to help. a lot of DBT is teaching you to analyze and react differently to situations that normally incite rage or depression, and it takes time to condition yourself to respond calmly instead of with either "fuck you I knew you hated me" or "please don't leave me I'm sorry I love you". And of course, that's all when you can actually feel anything. Therapists aren't kidding when they say one of the required criteria is "chronic feelings of emptiness".

Under very strenuous circumstances, personality disorders may be diagnosed by professionals before the age of 18. Usually this requires the disorder to be causing serious problems for the person's every day life, and I've never heard of anyone younger than 16 being diagnosed with BPD. Out of every kid on tumblr I've seen who "has" BPD, maybe 1 out of every 30 really does. And that 1 is usually the one who's in therapy and taking steps to actively deal with their disorder and make it manageable.

Why would these kids actually WANT to have BPD? Other than the SJW pity/brownie points they receive, what's the point? "I'm claiming to have a disorder that has a crippling effect on my relations with other people! That's so cool!" I don't understand it.

If you attempt suicide as in actually take pills or harm, expect to be in the hospital 1-2 weeks against your will and possibly turned over to the local mental hospital for an evaluation period of 3 days to 1 week with mandatory therapy afterwards and a visit from a police officer because you broke the law. The only way you're out in any less than several days is if you just went to the ER for suicidal ideation and told the doctor that nah, you don't really want to hurt yourself or if you have a shitty hospital that should be reported for not following procedure.

:powerlevel: I can confirm :powerlevel:

 

[goiter]

sad how in some cases mental disturbance/illness has become more of an accessory than something that should be addressed

 

[PetalPinkPuppy]

sad how in some cases mental disturbance/illness has become more of an accessory than something that should be addressed

A trendy accessory at that. Having worked with the mentally ill, I can tell you that none of them find their illness trendy or cool or edgy.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

I have observed multiple people recently trying to say that the autism community on Tumblr already agrees that self-diagnosis doesn't hurt anyone, and that people should ideally come to accept it for every mental condition.

These same people months earlier were trying to shame and manipulate actual autistic people who disagreed with them and ended up with all of them either leaving or being turned into subordinates of the self-diagnosed.

It's a madhouse.