Mass shooting at Waterman Autism school

Well yes, the gun debate can obviously be worked out cause you have rational people for the most part on both sides.

But how do you stop terrorism? Are we going to give ISIS a seat in the UN? No, that wouldn't be too cool. Are we going to nuke them into oblivion? No, they don't all hang in one place, plus new ones keep coming all the time. So really, short of nuking Israel, or Earth getting nuked by a comet, what will stop terrorism? And tbh, would even those things stop it? LOL

Not snarking at you whatsoever, but I want someone to post something that will make me say, yeah, that will end terrorism forever!
Ending terrorism forever is a completely unfeasible goal, but dismantling ISIS is not.
 
Someone told me awhile back that the Dept of Homeland Security has stockpiled over 3 million rounds of ammunition. I never looked into it to see if it is true. But sounds like they are prepared for war. On US soil.

Three million rounds? Is that some conspiracy theory's claim? Because that's ludicrously low. I'd guess the average police department of a major city has more than that.

You'd have to get into the billions to cover DHS, I'd think.
 
Three million rounds? Is that some conspiracy theory's claim? Because that's ludicrously low. I'd guess the average police department of a major city has more than that.

You'd have to get into the billions to cover DHS, I'd think.
Jesus! Well, there you go! Maybe it was 3 billion. I only recall it in passing, just an off the cuff remark.

Crazy though, bullet for every person on earth probably!

Do you whom live in the US foresee the need to have that much? What is the threat that leads to such a stockpile?

Anyway, I am sure in the not too distant future guns will be a thing of the past anyway. Soon everyone will have a phaser or lasergun to carry.
 
That's why it is so important that we can have a dialogue about these issues and what needs to be done. Plugging our ears and going NOT A REAL MUSLIM, WORKPLACE VIOLENCE doesnt solve anything, and Obama is just feeding into the media's sensationalist nonsense with his horrendous addresses. This is a serious issue and it needs to be treated like one, instead of this tumblr-tier walking on eggshills shit over offending muslims.

YES. Islamic fundamentalism is becoming a serious fucking issue, especially in regards to ISIS. Because of social media, terrorists can recruit new members in Western countries without even leaving the Middle East. Radical imams and Wahabbi propaganda are allowed to poison mosques, which breeds even more radicalism. What are we going to do to stop this disease from spreading and infecting our country? I don't see Obama or the government giving us good ideas.

And what I hate about all the "NOT A REAL MUSLIM" and "ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF PEACE" shit is how it's actually insulting to peaceful Muslims. They're not actually defending Muslims, they're just desperately trying to stay PC while plugging their ears and ignoring everything else. Islam has not been "hijacked" by terrorists, there's plenty of justification for their behavior within the Quran and Hadith. That's why Islam itself is in serious need of reformation, like Christianity underwent several centuries ago. I actually found a really interesting article that describes what this would entail and why it's so difficult :

Can Islam be reformed? It’s a tricky question because, according to a great many Muslim leaders and Western leaders, it doesn’t need reforming. As they keep insisting, the beheadings, slave trafficking, and general violence committed in the name of Islam have nothing to do with Islam.

Despite the many attempts to prop it up, some cracks are now appearing in that narrative. In a New Year’s Day speech to Islamic scholars and clerics, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi blamed the “corpus of [Islamic] texts and ideas that we have sacralized” for “antagonizing the entire world,” and he called for a “religious revolution.” More recently, in an essay for the Wall Street Journal, Ayaan Hirsi Ali called for a thorough reformation of Islam (WSJ, March 21-22, 2015). Hirsi Ali, who left Islam and who has fought for the rights of Muslim women both as an author and as a member of the Dutch parliament, lists several needed changes:

• An acknowledgement that the Koran “was shaped by human hands” and should not be interpreted literally.

• An emphasis on the rewards of this life as opposed to the rewards of the afterlife.

• A rejection of those elements of Shariah law that are “violent, intolerant, or anachronistic.”

• A rejection of jihad.

Looking at the list, you can appreciate the difficulty of the proposed reformation. Among other things Hirsi Ali is asking Muslim men to give up their dreams of a heavenly harem. Most difficult of all, she also calls for a repudiation of “those parts of Muhammad’s legacy that summon Muslims to intolerance and war.”

If you’re a non-Muslim, you might be inclined to say, “Sure, why not?” But it’s not quite so simple. As Hirsi Ali points out, Muhammad enjoys an “infallible”, “semi-divine” status among Muslims. To reform Islam by repudiating Muhammad is akin to reforming Christianity by repudiating Christ. In short, it would be a tough sell.

Hirsi Ali’s solution to the difficulty is to divide Muhammad’s life into two periods: Mecca and Medina. After twelve years of trying to peacefully persuade his fellow Meccans that he was the messenger of God, Muhammad migrated with his followers to Medina, and began to use more forceful means of persuasion—raiding, looting, assassination, and warfare. The portion of the Koran that was composed during the years in Medina reflects this more militaristic mindset. Accordingly Hirsi Ali (and others), recommends that Muslims retain the more spiritual, religious form of Islam that developed in Mecca, and reject the supremacist and intolerant form that developed in Medina.

But, again, it won’t be easy. For starters, the Koran is not neatly divided into the Meccan period and the Medina period. Unlike the Bible, which is roughly chronological and which clearly separates the New Testament from the Old Testament, the Koran has no chronology. It contains 114 suras or chapters, but they are arranged arbitrarily by length with the largest suras coming first and the shortest, last. Thus, the early chapters may be from the Meccan period or maybe not. Scholars have been able to figure out which passages belong to which period, but ordinary people would be at a loss. To further complicate matters, some of the revelations received in Medina are included in some of the chapters begun in Mecca.

What makes Hirsi Ali’s suggestion even more problematic is that the Muslim calendar is dated not from 610 AD when Muhammad supposedly received his first revelation in Mecca, but from 622 AD when he migrated to Medina and commenced his warrior career. Muslim tradition, then, puts much more emphasis on the part of Muhammad’s life that Ali wants Muslims to repudiate—namely, “those parts of Muhammad’s legacy that summon Muslims to intolerance and war.”

Moreover, although the Meccan verses are more peaceful than the Medina verses, the intolerance was there from the start. Muhammad divided the world into believers (in Islam) and unbelievers, and he had very little use for the unbelievers. It’s difficult to find any chapters that don’t remind the reader of the wickedness and vileness of unbelievers. And there are few chapters from any period in Muhammad’s life that fail to describe in detail the well-deserved fate that awaits the unbeliever in hell.

In fact, the pagan Meccans were far more tolerant of Muhammad than he was of them. They would have been happy had Muhammad set up a shrine to his god alongside all the others that lined the Kaaba. It’s a tribute to their patience that they put up with him for twelve years despite the abuse he constantly heaped on them.

In some ways, of course, Islam was an improvement on Arabian paganism. In a theme found throughout the entire Koran, Muhammad’s Allah seems almost Christian in his concern with the welfare of widows and orphans. And in one verse (81:1-4), Muhammad inveighs against female infanticide, a common practice at that time.

On the other hand, Muhammad himself was responsible for creating a great many widows and orphans—some of whom were subsequently sold into slavery and some of whom, if they were young enough and pretty enough, became his “brides”. Apologists for the widowmaker prophet claim that such was the unfortunate by-product of battle in those days. That excuse doesn’t work, however, for the occasions when Muhammad ordered cold-blooded assassinations of people he disliked. For example, when the prophet heard that a poetess, Asma bint Marwan, had composed verses mocking him, he sought a volunteer to dispatch her. The volunteer, who killed the woman while she slept surrounded by her six children, asked Muhammad in the morning if he would have to bear any evil consequences for the deed. The prophet assured him that “two goats won’t butt their heads about her."

Even if a merciful verse is not compromised by Muhammad’s own actions, it stands a good chance of being cancelled out by a contradictory verse in the same sura. The most glaring example of this is the warning that “whoever killed a human being…shall be regarded as having killed all mankind,” followed immediately by the notice that those who oppose God and his apostle “shall be slain or crucified” (5:32-5:33).

Putting the contradictions aside, it must be acknowledged that there are peaceful verses in the Koran that strike the right note for the Christian ear. Whether there are enough of them to build a religion around is another matter. If you were to reduce the Koran to the tolerant and peaceful verses, you would be left with a fairly slender volume—about the size of a book of Khalil Gibran’s love poems in large print.

There are other problems with attempting to split the prophet into “good Muhammad” and “bad Muhammad.” We usually judge a man and his work by his whole life, not by one segment of it, and we tend to put more weight on the latter half of the life. This is especially the case with religious figures. We can forgive a saint’s earlier sins if he made up for them by his later good deeds. The young Saul persecuted the first Christians and Augustine was a zealous sinner in his early years, but both were profoundly and dramatically changed for the better after their conversions.

Muhammad reverses the order. There is no evidence that he was a debauched sinner who suddenly found God and decided to change his ways. Before his first revelation, Muhammad seems to have been a model citizen—a trustworthy merchant who was faithful to one wife. After the revelation he seems to have developed an increased sense of his own importance and a growing willingness to bend the moral rules to his own inclinations. If Muhammad refrained from using force during his Meccan “ministry,” it was because he was considerably outnumbered. His followers never amounted to more than one hundred during those first twelve years. After the move to Medina, the numbers increased and he was able to go on the offensive. Medina was also the time when Muhammad began to sin more boldly. He acquired more wives and concubines, went back on his promises, traded slaves, and massacred defenseless captives.

But, as the Muslim calendar attests, this was also the beginning of the glory days of Islam. Muhammad’s conquests and those of his immediate successors offered seemingly irrefutable proof that this was indeed the true religion of Allah. Muslims could try to ignore this period but it would be equivalent to a judge ordering a jury to disregard the most startling revelations from the witness stand.

It’s convenient from the reformist point of view to ignore the Medina years and attempt to build a better religion around the handful of kumbaya-like verses in the early Koran. However, the significance of the bloody ten-year Medina period is that it casts doubt on the whole enterprise. It suggests that there was something wrong about Islam from the start. As stated above, we tend to put more weight on the later part of a holy man’s life. As he grows in faith, his holiness increases. But what can you say about a man whose rapaciousness increases as he grows in faith? What can you say about the faith that motivates him?

Suppose that in the last half of his ministry, Christ took to owning slaves, ordering assassinations, and sanctioning rape. Wouldn’t that cast doubt on his entire ministry? Wouldn’t it invalidate his claim to be the Son of God? Wouldn’t it call into question the authenticity of the Christian revelation?

The Medina Muhammad and the Meccan Muhammad are the same man—a man whose life is considered the model for Muslims to imitate in every detail. As we are now finding out, however, the imitation of Muhammad and the imitation of Christ lead in entirely different directions. If Muslims were to repudiate Muhammad, the world would be a much safer place. But we shouldn’t fool ourselves into thinking that such an accomplishment can be easily or quickly achieved. As Serge Trifkovic maintains in The Sword of the Prophet:

• On the Prophet’s own admission, Islam stands or falls with the person of Muhammad, a deeply flawed man by the standards of his own society, as well as those of the Old and New Testaments…and even by the new law of which he claimed to be the divinely appointed medium and custodian.

Because the man and the faith are so intimately entwined, a repudiation of Muhammad is tantamount to a repudiation of Islam itself.

I'm not an Islamic scholar, so I can't figure that out. But that doesn't mean other people can't try to find a solution that will benefit Muslims and humanity as a whole. Why can't we start trying to answer these questions and make Islam a truly peaceful religion instead of pretending like nothing is wrong?
 
That's why Islam itself is in serious need of reformation, like Christianity underwent several centuries ago.

Arguably, this century IS the century of Islamic reformation. The Reformation in Europe was a long, bloody affair and many, many people died before we ended up in the current order of today. Today we have the ultra reactionary wing of Islam fighting it out with moderates, while yet more Muslims stand on the sidelines and play the political game (A lot of the wars in Europe were fought on religious grounds but most were secular in nature, after all a nice chunk of land is always a fun thing to get a hold of).

Personally, I think this Islamic reform will be here by the end of the century. When ISIS is slowly bled, it's ideals are shown to be weaker and weaker (After all if this caliph claimed to represent all of Islam, where are all one billion Muslims?) and eventually it, and with it the corrupt and degenerate Saudi Wahhabi regime, will come crashing down.
 
Arguably, this century IS the century of Islamic reformation. The Reformation in Europe was a long, bloody affair and many, many people died before we ended up in the current order of today. Today we have the ultra reactionary wing of Islam fighting it out with moderates, while yet more Muslims stand on the sidelines and play the political game (A lot of the wars in Europe were fought on religious grounds but most were secular in nature, after all a nice chunk of land is always a fun thing to get a hold of).

Personally, I think this Islamic reform will be here by the end of the century. When ISIS is slowly bled, it's ideals are shown to be weaker and weaker (After all if this caliph claimed to represent all of Islam, where are all one billion Muslims?) and eventually it, and with it the corrupt and degenerate Saudi Wahhabi regime, will come crashing down.

I've been hearing about Islamic reformation a lot, from mostly from non-muslims. It is a dream of those who feel threatened by Islam. If reformation does come, it does not have to be a reformation that is convenient to westerners or their continued breathing. The civilized world needs to fight a culture war with more than just apologies and concessions. Things will not just sort itself out.
 
Source please. Around here we don't make claims without backing them up. And peer reviewed or government agency, no Mother Jones or Gawker.


Clown doll already posted it, but here it is again
http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/

Politifact has a pretty nuanced article on it too.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...11-right-wing-extremists-killed-more-america/

This isn't a republican vs democrat thing. I'm just calling a spade a spade here. The threat of deadly right-wing extremism is just as real in America as the threat of Islamic extremism.

That's not to say that right-wing militia's aren't scary or that things like bomb attacks on Planned Parenthood aren't terrorist attacks, but I think it's safe to say that Islamic extremist attacks are a much more potent threat both globally and in the U.S than any other singular threat.

Agreed wholeheartedly. One way or another ISIS has the potential to get a shit ton of people killed. Whether by their own attacks, attacks on them and countries that they're in or persecution of Muslims at large.

But the point I think is really dumb is the whole "don't use the phrases 'Islamic terrorist' or 'Muslim extremist'" thing. That's exactly what they are. What else are we supposed to call them? We don't have problems using terms like "Christian/Jewish/Hindu/far-right/far-left extremists," why should Muslim extremists be any different

They do it to keep general anti-muslim sentiment down. Obviously they know these are muslim extremists and they're not avoiding the term for the sake of people's feelings. Its also worth noting this was not just an Obama thing but Bush thought along the same lines too and often clarified the target was terrorists not muslims.
 
Raised from the dead. The FBI claims it has gained access to the phone using a third-party method. And has accessed the data. And no longer will be cucked by Apple. It remains to be seen if this is actually true or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...93a0e2-f52b-11e5-9804-537defcc3cf6_story.html

I'm so glad the FBI is protecting us from dead terrorists when they claim to already have every communication they would have sent to other Muslim extremists. I'm sure they just made an iMemo (or whatever shit iPhones use) about where they hid a bomb to go off years after their mass shooting spree in case they forgot.
 
Raised from the dead. The FBI claims it has gained access to the phone using a third-party method. And has accessed the data. And no longer will be cucked by Apple. It remains to be seen if this is actually true or not.

They should have just done this in the first place.

Instead, they pulled legal bullshit and tried to use the All Writs Act to force Apple to be their slave and do their work for them.

Part of the legal requirement of using the All Writs Act to force someone to do something (other than turn over documents or evidence actually in their possession) is that you tell a federal judge that you have no other means of getting done what you are trying to force someone else to do against their will.

If you took the legal principle far enough, the FBI could basically force any computer expert to do unpaid work for them against their will.

So they really fucked up trying to force Apple to do what was entirely within their own capabilities. They just wanted a far-reaching legal ruling that they could force anyone to do that at any time.

Good thing Apple told them to fuck off.
 
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