Marvel’s Avengers: Infinity War - The Beginning of the End

[Secret Asshole]

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I've heard some speculation that Gamora- or rather, her soul- might be inside the Soul Stone. There's that scene at the end of the movie where Thanos talks with her spirit, and thematically it would make sense for the soul of the sacrificed person to stay in the Soul Stone. As for Loki and Hemidal, who can say?

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I personally loved the stuff with Thanos and Gamora. There was a genuine tenderness in him whenever he spoke to or about Gamora that surprised me, because until this point we were lead to believe that he was just a genocidal warlord who only sees people as pawns (not that that's totally inaccurate, though). But even though Gamora turned on him, disrespected him, and even tried to kill him, he never showed any anger towards her. He instead tried to win her over to his side and genuinely showed care towards her. And then, of course, there's the scene where he literally cried out of grief and probably remorse after finding out that he had to sacrifice Gamora to get the Soul Stone. There's also that scene where the other characters demand where Gamora is, and Thanos can only say "My Gamora?" in a really heartbroken and subdued voice; to drive it home even further, Mantis even said that she felt Thanos's intense grief and guilt after using her empathetic powers on him.

But then you remember what Gamora said about her childhood with him, about how he killed her family, put her through torturous training, and turned her into a living weapon. And, of course, as surprisingly kind as he is to Gamora, he's a fucking asshole to Nebula even though she's also his "daughter." It makes you wonder how he reconciles all of these conflicting actions/emotions/beliefs.

Thanos would always make Nebula and Gamora fight each other and Gamora always won. So she was his favorite and made her the strongest in the galaxy. He replaced Nebula's body with parts to make her 'better' but she never overcame Gamora. He viewed her as a failure. Gamora got his respect, and hence his love. Nebula was really nothing and he views her as unworthy, which is why I don't think he considers her on the same level as Gamora. Nebula always wanted his love and respect, but it was never earned. Because that was Gamora.

There was an interview where the directors said they would've loved to have had Death if they had as much time as they wanted but for a movie like this you would have to explain what Death is, why she is important to Thanos and why you as an audience member should care, which is really hard, especially for a weird metaphysical concept person hybrid thing like Death

So they came up with the remove half so everyone gets double and nothing is overpopulated as a more relatable thing, which was smart because they connected it to his backstory in the movie and it takes like no time to explain and understand and they could always retroactively add in Death later as a "she motivated me to this path"

Marvel is known for being the safe studio. Except

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for the ending to this movie where they have Thanos just win and the heroes standing there confused, not knowing what to do.

The problem is that you really haven't introduced a lot of the cosmic entities of the Marvel universe, so its kind of hard to bring Death in. I'd love it to be a 5 hour movie, but nobody is going to make that. The reason why Infinity War works so well with so many is because you don't have to introduce any new characters, you generally know who they are. Its really Thanos' story, as he's the only character they really develop. There just wouldn't be enough room to add Death into that along with Thanos.

I do admit I am a little disappointed since they threw out the easter egg in the first Avengers movie where a henchmen talking to Thanos says that the Avengers/Humans are not to be underestimated, and to face them would 'court Death itself' and he turns to the camera and smiles. Sadly it was just a little easter egg to comic fans and not really a sign of her. But at that point they probably had no idea what they were going to do with Thanos, so that's why he remained sort of enigmatic until now.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

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Thor says Thanos abducted and killed half his people to the guardians, it's implied Valkyrie or Korg survived and went on an escape ship/pod before the loki scene and all the wikis and articles that came out are like "hey they probably were among the survivors because people liked their characters"

Sounds a bit contrived to me, but whatever. Marvel will make another "cosmic road trip" film if that is what they want.

 

[XYZpdq]

The problem is that you really haven't introduced a lot of the cosmic entities of the Marvel universe, so its kind of hard to bring Death in.

This was my thought, but I usually watch MCU as "oh hey it's on cable/cytube and I don't want something I need to pay attention to" watching so I wasn't sure how cosmic they may have gotten when I wasn't looking.

 

[Y2K Baby]

and it takes like no time to explain and understand and they could always retroactively add in Death later as a "she motivated me to this path"

I'd rather it be more like he using this as an excuse because he's wanting to fuck the skeletons in the closet.

 

[RockVolnutt]

That seems like a stupid concern to have considering they spent 3 whole Thor movies establishing that Thor and the other Asgardians are aliens/interdimensional beings and that the references to them being gods are merely honorific titles rather than literal ones.

I know it's :autism: but I still really dislike that change because I feel it neuters the Asgardians and complicates any other pantheon gods showing up if they aren't magical constructs born from humanity's sub-conscious. Like if Hercules shows up and the Olympians are aliens then that'll create issues with the Eternals who will probably also be written as aliens instead of an offshoot of humans.

Plus it's moot since the casual viewer just accepts Thor's god status anyways and overlooks the alien thing if that didn't slip past them in the first place. All it really did was connect them to Stark/Hydra tech which was unneeded. I've talked to plenty of people who watched these movies and were unaware of the alien thing.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

 

[The Colonel]

I don't think the Death motivation would work unless they somehow got Deadpool.

 

[Cosmos]

This video is fantastic:

 

[Gordon Cole]

http://www.didthanoskill.me/

Spoiler: Will I live to shitpost another day?

 

[God of Nothing]

This video is fantastic:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_wNZbgBPz1Q
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Loved her Suicide Squad video. This one was pretty savage too.

 

[Vulpes]

I thought it was pretty good but I wanted to know how other people felt about it.

It didn't feel nearly as forced or as quick-moving as recent Marvel movies have tended to be, which I enjoyed. I also found myself getting into the more cinematic scenes. Thanos is very interesting as a villain and he pretty much stole the show with this one.

Edit: nvm i just seen where there's a multimedia forum please just fucking ignore my rampant autism thx

 

[ShittyRecolor]

I know it's :autism: but I still really dislike that change because I feel it neuters the Asgardians and complicates any other pantheon gods showing up if they aren't magical constructs born from humanity's sub-conscious. Like if Hercules shows up and the Olympians are aliens then that'll create issues with the Eternals who will probably also be written as aliens instead of an offshoot of humans.

Plus it's moot since the casual viewer just accepts Thor's god status anyways and overlooks the alien thing if that didn't slip past them in the first place. All it really did was connect them to Stark/Hydra tech which was unneeded. I've talked to plenty of people who watched these movies and were unaware of the alien thing.

Yeah, it was weird how they went out fo their way to get that old "magic is just technology you don't understand" angle in the Thor movies, only for them to say "fuck it" years later and have Dr. Strange do straight up hocus-pocus stuff. I guess they thougth they'd have to be safe first and fish for audience reactions before going full magic, but it's still needlessly limiting the cinematic universe. Even as a kid I've always found it appealing about superhero stuff how it can mesh together so many settings and genres: sci-fi, fantasy, horror, pulp, you name it.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I got the day off work so I’ll be seeing it tonight in IMAX 3D. Seems like one of the movies to see it in.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Yeah, it was weird how they went out fo their way to get that old "magic is just technology you don't understand" angle in the Thor movies, only for them to say "fuck it" years later and have Dr. Strange do straight up hocus-pocus stuff. I guess they thougth they'd have to be safe first and fish for audience reactions before going full magic, but it's still needlessly limiting the cinematic universe. Even as a kid I've always found it appealing about superhero stuff how it can mesh together so many settings and genres: sci-fi, fantasy, horror, pulp, you name it.

I can't blame them for this but it has lead to dumb internet arguments over "Thor's an alien in the comics too! He wasn't from Earth!" and general misunderstandings of Clarke's 3rd law. The former being nonsense since his mother in the comics is literally a personification of Earth so not an alien even in the "foreign" sense. As for Clarke's 3rd law, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" doesn't disqualify the existence of magic and Arthur Clarke wrote in a very different genre than capeshit. Sci-fi stuff exists in comic Asgard because they're basically imagination made real.

There was a point where I was hoping Ragnarok would've retconned it with something about a decline in religious belief caused them to become the "aliens" we saw but nope. That corner of the MCU is always going to be stunted compared to the comics.

 

[ShittyRecolor]

As for Clarke's 3rd law, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" doesn't disqualify the existence of magic and Arthur Clarke wrote in a very different genre than capeshit. Sci-fi stuff exists in comic Asgard because they're basically imagination made real.

Ah, so THAT'S what it's called! Thank you, I always like in when I get to learn something new on the good ol' farms.

I can't blame them for this but it has lead to dumb internet arguments over "Thor's an alien in the comics too! He wasn't from Earth!" and general misunderstandings of Clarke's 3rd law. The former being nonsense since his mother in the comics is literally a personification of Earth so not an alien even in the "foreign" sense. As for Clarke's 3rd law, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" doesn't disqualify the existence of magic and Arthur Clarke wrote in a very different genre than capeshit. Sci-fi stuff exists in comic Asgard because they're basically imagination made real.

There was a point where I was hoping Ragnarok would've retconned it with something about a decline in religious belief caused them to become the "aliens" we saw but nope. That corner of the MCU is always going to be stunted compared to the comics.

Ragnarok seemed like it had the right idea here and there, like how the Valkyries were riding on actualy pegasi rather than flying space harleys or something similar, though they did not take much further than that. I wonder if they will try to revamp Asgardians now that most of Thor's people have been wiped out. I know Thor said Thanos destroyed half of them, but I don't think he had a vessel ready for the surivors just so they can escape and
survive the vacuum of space. Perhaps the God of Thunder can get ahold of one of the gems (or maybe the entire gauntlet) and create a new Asgard out of his subconscious that reflects his ideals rather than a literal recreation. I gues we'll see.

 

[ASoulMan]

Good thing all the spoilers I saw were out of context.

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Holy shit, Thanos hit Ctrl+Alt+Delete on like half the cast. That disappearing effect meme has gotten even more hilarious.

Watch them all get brought back in Part 2.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Having now seen the movie(IMAX 3D was great for this) I can honestly say I really enjoyed the movie. Brutal as hell if you have any emotional investment in the characters. As for the ending...

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i think it’s pretty obvious anyone who ash-died is probably coming back, but the same can’t be said for the others. I think the only way they could bring back Gamora is if it involves that Souls Stone, since she was the catalyst for it.

I was also fully convinced either Cap or Iron Man was gonna go out, but a friend pointed out that Part 4 will most likely be the big sendoff for the OG Avengers, so it makes sense they wouldn’t die. I also didn’t think Thanos would get all the stones this movie. Figured it be a Part 2 midway-through thing.

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Anyone else genuinely surprised by the Red Skull cameo? I know Hugo Weaving did not like playing the part in Captain America, and never expected to see him in a Marvel movie again.

Yeah, that threw me for a hell of a loop.

 

[Drawets Rednaxela]

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I think the only way they could bring back Gamora is if it involves the Soul Stone, since she was the catalyst for it.

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I'm assuming the destruction of the Soul Stone means she was restored to life.

 

[Y2K Baby]

The saddest thing

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I saw at my Infinity War screening was someone just gently placing a full bucket of popcorn into the trash. I was helpless to stop this.
I couldn't save it from its fate because I have

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braces anyhow

. I still felt righteous anger and a deep sadness.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

So listening to the Super Best Friends spoilercast of the movie, and they pointed out that

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Starlord losing it and just attacking Thanos is totally in-character for him. In fact, him doing that was the best part of GOTG2.

It just turned out badly this time.