Marvel’s Avengers: Infinity War - The Beginning of the End

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Secret Asshole dijo:
He's called 'the mad titan' for a reason. He's an insane psychopath who is unpredictable and think he's doing the right thing and all of that to him is the cost of doing business. His plan is obviously irrational and anyone can see the flaws because Thanos is insane. That doesn't mean he's an idiot. It just means he's an insane psychopath who obviously doesn't stick to his own terms:

When he goes to the dwarves to forge the Infinity Gauntlet. His own ideology would say kill half. Instead, he kills all but the one who made the gauntlet and takes his hands away. Thanos' motivations are not ideologically pure or rational in any sense of the word. He believes this is the ONLY way things can be done. There are no alternatives, and all that strife will eventually lead to peace. That's why he's insane. His motivations are not rational. Who he loves is not rational. He is fucking insane, and the movie basically proves this. You can argue the destruction of Titan broke his mind, while he was hard before, it completely destroyed him to the point of irrationality.

Yes, Thanos' plan is dumb, but it isn't because Thanos is stupid, its because he's out of his fucking mind.
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That's probably what makes him so interesting to me.

He kidnapped Gamora and made him one of his "daughters". I kinda thought that was just his sick little way of saying flunky considering he killed her actual parents.

But no, he really did see her as a daughter and cried over having to kill her for the stone.

He seems to have a very warped perception of love is. And I hope they go into that in the next film.
 
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Secret Asshole dijo:
The characters that turned to ash will probably come back, but there are real doubts about Loki, Hemidal and Gammora.
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I've heard some speculation that Gamora- or rather, her soul- might be inside the Soul Stone. There's that scene at the end of the movie where Thanos talks with her spirit, and thematically it would make sense for the soul of the sacrificed person to stay in the Soul Stone. As for Loki and Hemidal, who can say?
scorptatious dijo:
That's probably what makes him so interesting to me.

He kidnapped Gamora and made him one of his "daughters". I kinda thought that was just his sick little way of saying flunky considering he killed her actual parents.

But no, he really did see her as a daughter and cried over having to kill her for the stone.

He seems to have a very warped perception of love is. And I hope they go into that in the next film.
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I personally loved the stuff with Thanos and Gamora. There was a genuine tenderness in him whenever he spoke to or about Gamora that surprised me, because until this point we were lead to believe that he was just a genocidal warlord who only sees people as pawns (not that that's totally inaccurate, though). But even though Gamora turned on him, disrespected him, and even tried to kill him, he never showed any anger towards her. He instead tried to win her over to his side and genuinely showed care towards her. And then, of course, there's the scene where he literally cried out of grief and probably remorse after finding out that he had to sacrifice Gamora to get the Soul Stone. There's also that scene where the other characters demand where Gamora is, and Thanos can only say "My Gamora?" in a really heartbroken and subdued voice; to drive it home even further, Mantis even said that she felt Thanos's intense grief and guilt after using her empathetic powers on him.

But then you remember what Gamora said about her childhood with him, about how he killed her family, put her through torturous training, and turned her into a living weapon. And, of course, as surprisingly kind as he is to Gamora, he's a fucking asshole to Nebula even though she's also his "daughter." It makes you wonder how he reconciles all of these conflicting actions/emotions/beliefs.
 
Cosmos dijo:
I've heard some speculation that Gamora- or rather, her soul- might be inside the Soul Stone. There's that scene at the end of the movie where Thanos talks with her spirit, and thematically it would make sense for the soul of the sacrificed person to stay in the Soul Stone. As for Loki and Hemidal, who can say?


I personally loved the stuff with Thanos and Gamora. There was a genuine tenderness in him whenever he spoke to or about Gamora that surprised me, because until this point we were lead to believe that he was just a genocidal warlord who only sees people as pawns (not that that's totally inaccurate, though). But even though Gamora turned on him, disrespected him, and even tried to kill him, he never showed any anger towards her. He instead tried to win her over to his side and genuinely showed care towards her. And then, of course, there's the scene where he literally cried out of grief and probably remorse after finding out that he had to sacrifice Gamora to get the Soul Stone. There's also that scene where the other characters demand where Gamora is, and Thanos can only say "My Gamora?" in a really heartbroken and subdued voice; to drive it home even further, Mantis even said that she felt Thanos's intense grief and guilt after using her empathetic powers on him.

But then you remember what Gamora said about her childhood with him, about how he killed her family, put her through torturous training, and turned her into a living weapon. And, of course, as surprisingly kind as he is to Gamora, he's a fucking asshole to Nebula even though she's also his "daughter." It makes you wonder how he reconciles all of these conflicting actions/emotions/beliefs.
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jk i havent seen the movie yet i just wanted to continue the spoilertext train
 
I'm okay with Thanos going from "wanna bone dat bone" to "half less people means double more everything". It works good enough for a cape movie.
 
Cosmos dijo:
I've heard some speculation that Gamora- or rather, her soul- might be inside the Soul Stone. There's that scene at the end of the movie where Thanos talks with her spirit, and thematically it would make sense for the soul of the sacrificed person to stay in the Soul Stone. As for Loki and Hemidal, who can say?


I personally loved the stuff with Thanos and Gamora. There was a genuine tenderness in him whenever he spoke to or about Gamora that surprised me, because until this point we were lead to believe that he was just a genocidal warlord who only sees people as pawns (not that that's totally inaccurate, though). But even though Gamora turned on him, disrespected him, and even tried to kill him, he never showed any anger towards her. He instead tried to win her over to his side and genuinely showed care towards her. And then, of course, there's the scene where he literally cried out of grief and probably remorse after finding out that he had to sacrifice Gamora to get the Soul Stone. There's also that scene where the other characters demand where Gamora is, and Thanos can only say "My Gamora?" in a really heartbroken and subdued voice; to drive it home even further, Mantis even said that she felt Thanos's intense grief and guilt after using her empathetic powers on him.

But then you remember what Gamora said about her childhood with him, about how he killed her family, put her through torturous training, and turned her into a living weapon. And, of course, as surprisingly kind as he is to Gamora, he's a fucking asshole to Nebula even though she's also his "daughter." It makes you wonder how he reconciles all of these conflicting actions/emotions/beliefs.
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I liked how Thanos knelt down so he and Gomorrah could see eye to eye when she was a kid. And how instead of going to his throne he sat on the steps in order to look straight at her when talking to her and not from above.

It may not seem like much, but little actions like can really sell a scene and the characters in it.
 
scorptatious dijo:
I liked how Thanos knelt down so he and Gomorrah could see eye to eye when she was a kid. And how instead of going to his throne he sat on the steps in order to look straight at her when talking to her and not from above.

It may not seem like much, but little actions like can really sell a scene and the characters in it.
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good
 
Y2K Baby dijo:
I'd prefer it tbh. This is more generic.
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There was an interview where the directors said they would've loved to have had Death if they had as much time as they wanted but for a movie like this you would have to explain what Death is, why she is important to Thanos and why you as an audience member should care, which is really hard, especially for a weird metaphysical concept person hybrid thing like Death

So they came up with the remove half so everyone gets double and nothing is overpopulated as a more relatable thing, which was smart because they connected it to his backstory in the movie and it takes like no time to explain and understand and they could always retroactively add in Death later as a "she motivated me to this path"
 
Shaftie dijo:
There was an interview where the directors said they would've loved to have had Death if they had as much time as they wanted but for a movie like this you would have to explain what Death is, why she is important to Thanos and why you as an audience member should care, which is really hard, especially for a weird metaphysical concept person hybrid thing like Death

So they came up with the remove half so everyone gets double and nothing is overpopulated as a more relatable thing, which was smart because they connected it to his backstory in the movie and it takes like no time to explain and understand and they could always retroactively add in Death later as a "she motivated me to this path"
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I don't know, I'm not sure I really buy that explanation. The Average Joe is already familiar with metaphysical personifications of death a la the Grim Reaper, so it's not that far of a stretch to present a very similar concept with some details switched around. And since the plan had been to split the story between two films anyways, I don't think it would be that great of a feat to lay out the ground work for some of the groundwork for the more complicated questions like why Death is important to Thanos in the first part to be elaborated on in the second through dialogue and/or choice imagery.
 
One Man Bland dijo:
I don't know, I'm not sure I really buy that explanation. The Average Joe is already familiar with metaphysical personifications of death a la the Grim Reaper, so it's not that far of a stretch to present a very similar concept with some details switched around. And since the plan had been to split the story between two films anyways, I don't think it would be that great of a feat to lay out the ground work for some of the groundwork for the more complicated questions like why Death is important to Thanos in the first part to be elaborated on in the second through dialogue and/or choice imagery.
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It's more of "Do we really want to take the risk of putting in the first personification character from the comics and maybe have it be shitty when we could just do this instead? Let's just take the safer option when we're already taking all these risks on the big payoff for this entire series." Like no matter what they did you would have idiots leaving the theater going "so is Death like the grim reaper or just a person called Death or like a god of death, but wasn't Hela the god of death?"
 
Shaftie dijo:
It's more of "Do we really want to take the risk of putting in the first personification character from the comics and maybe have it be shitty when we could just do this instead? Let's just take the safer option when we're already taking all these risks on the big payoff for this entire series." Like no matter what they did you would have idiots leaving the theater going "so is Death like the grim reaper or just a person called Death or like a god of death, but wasn't Hela the god of death?"
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That seems like a stupid concern to have considering they spent 3 whole Thor movies establishing that Thor and the other Asgardians are aliens/interdimensional beings and that the references to them being gods are merely honorific titles rather than literal ones.
 
Shaftie dijo:
There was an interview where the directors said they would've loved to have had Death if they had as much time as they wanted but for a movie like this you would have to explain what Death is, why she is important to Thanos and why you as an audience member should care, which is really hard, especially for a weird metaphysical concept person hybrid thing like Death

So they came up with the remove half so everyone gets double and nothing is overpopulated as a more relatable thing, which was smart because they connected it to his backstory in the movie and it takes like no time to explain and understand and they could always retroactively add in Death later as a "she motivated me to this path"
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Wasn't there some sort of love triangle between Thanos, Death, and Deadpool?

Would've been hilarious if that was incorporated into the MCU.
 
Jetpack Himmler dijo:
I'm surprised no one else has asked this question.

What happened to Valkyrie or Korg before the beginning? I'm guessing both are dead.
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Thor says Thanos abducted and killed half his people to the guardians, it's implied Valkyrie or Korg survived and went on an escape ship/pod before the loki scene and all the wikis and articles that came out are like "hey they probably were among the survivors because people liked their characters"
 
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