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Is she even a real character or did they make her up for the movie?
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Complete new character from what I understand.
I get not wanting to call Tony Leung "Fu Manchu" because muh racism or whatever, but at least couldnt they oficially just call him "The Mandarim"? They made up some Chingchong sounding name thats ugly as fuck and thats his oficial name now.
It reminds me of Black Panther, were they thought "Gorilla Man" was racist, so hes just called M'Batu now.
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Maybe the "include Asian characters" bit is a directive from on high, but the actual casting is left to the pozzed Hollywood types who hate attractive people and are generally ignorant about the culture they're being told to appeal to? I mean, Disney already had something similar happen where they wanted a prominent Chinese character for the Last Jedi and Rian Johnson's solution was to cast a Vietnamese chick.
Interestingly, the first iteration of Marvel on Netflix didn't have this problem. The Iron Fist's sidekick was cute and, honestly, performed better than the lead, and Elektra was pretty spot-on cast for the second season of Daredevil.
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Created for the movie.
They go further to distance themselves from calling him The Mandarin, as there's a scene late in the film where he (Wenwu) jokes about the imposter seen in Iron Man 3 naming himself after a chicken dish while talking to Shang-Chi, his sister and Marvel's Katy™
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I watched Shang-Li so that you don't have to. Thank me, because I did you a favour.
The film in short:
Anyway, that's pretty much it. Usually I sperg at great length but this film made very little impression on me. I can answer questions.
That's Jessica Henwick. British actress who, unlike Awkwardfemale can actually act. And do martial arts work.
I think it's unfair to condemn the lead actor in Iron Fist though. Filming was super-rushed and there was a lot of very poor direction on that show. When you see him with some decent lines and better direction he comes across very well in the role and I liked the character he played.
There is but it's not as if this glimmer of self-awareness is genuine. Yes, there are Mandarin oranges, and probably a chicken dish, but "Mandarin" does have an actual meaning. It was a high-ranking official in China. It's a bit like if a Chinese film had a European villain called "The Marquis" and then later decided it was an embarrassing name and had the British characters say "I mean, they named him after a tent". Sure, you could say that but I don't think people hear "The Mandarin" and think "oh, silly name - it's an orange". I could be wrong but I think it's just more ignorance from Hollywood trying to correct for other ignorance. We need a native Chinese speaker in here, I guess. But this is the franchise that still has a semi-main character called "Wong". That's only the family name of 80% of China!
The film in short:
- Michelle Yeoh is still hot. I don't know how she does it but I think that woman will never stop being beautiful on some level.
- Awkwardfemale's goofy face annoys within seconds. It's like if a muppet was a person.
- Both of the main characters are annoying. Frankly, I side with the mother who wishes her adult daughter would actually get a proper damn job and do something useful. There is nothing inherently interesting or admirable about either of the main characters before the standard Call to Adventure. Nor, as it turns out, afterwards.
- The villain is, honestly, pretty relatable. He's wrong because he has to be for the film to work but given everything he actually knows in context, frankly I'd be on his side. His line to his son of: "you watched your mother die and did nothing" is a unfair but I honestly don't see any reason much why he should be all super-accepting of his kids. He also acts Shang-Li off the screen. Much greater screen presence.
- There's a pleasant character surprise about two-thirds of the way through the film. Ben Kingsley bit part as the "Mandarin" from Iron Man 3. But it's not a big part. Nice to see an actual actor appear in between Shang-Li and Awkwardfemale, though.
- The film is dull. Goes full comic book by the end which is the only thing that saves it.
- The fight sequences are a bit meh. Give me Jackie Chan or frankly, Netflix's Daredevil.
- I don't know if it will be popular in China or not. Lot of Mandarin spoken. The CCP might dislike that it does the modern technology invading superior traditionalist culture symbolism. Not sure Hollywood actually understands that the CCP are the former, not the latter. In fact, I'm certain they don't. Hollywood is so ignorant whilst trying to pander.
Anyway, that's pretty much it. Usually I sperg at great length but this film made very little impression on me. I can answer questions.
Absolutego dijo:
That's Jessica Henwick. British actress who, unlike Awkwardfemale can actually act. And do martial arts work.
I think it's unfair to condemn the lead actor in Iron Fist though. Filming was super-rushed and there was a lot of very poor direction on that show. When you see him with some decent lines and better direction he comes across very well in the role and I liked the character he played.
There is but it's not as if this glimmer of self-awareness is genuine. Yes, there are Mandarin oranges, and probably a chicken dish, but "Mandarin" does have an actual meaning. It was a high-ranking official in China. It's a bit like if a Chinese film had a European villain called "The Marquis" and then later decided it was an embarrassing name and had the British characters say "I mean, they named him after a tent". Sure, you could say that but I don't think people hear "The Mandarin" and think "oh, silly name - it's an orange". I could be wrong but I think it's just more ignorance from Hollywood trying to correct for other ignorance. We need a native Chinese speaker in here, I guess. But this is the franchise that still has a semi-main character called "Wong". That's only the family name of 80% of China!
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@Overly Serious did they reveal the Captain Marvel 2 setup during the credits?
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Looks legit to me
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I don't think so. She's there but I'm not sure if it's setting up her next film or not. We see Shang-Li and Marvel's Katy™ talking with Wong and Bruce Banner and Captain Marvel, latter two as holograms. They're all examining the ten rings. Banner says the rings aren't vibranium and says they might be Chitari. Captain Marvel says she doesn't think so. The rings are giving out some sort of signal but they don't know to what.
So Captain Marvel is there, but I don't know if that means the plot thread of the beacon is set up for her movie, someone else's movie, or some bigger Phase 4 arc.
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No. Fucking. Way.
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Liberals are racist and retarded. They want to appeal to China so they cast a Vietnamese girl because Asians are all the same right? They want to appeal to "people of color" so they fill their movies with blacks, because that's what Latinos, Asians, Middle Easterners, and Native Americans apparently see when they look in the mirror. And when they do cast anyone non-white they make sure to cast the ugliest, most insufferably wokest retards they can possibly find. It's like they hate money.
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And yet they still had the character hoot like a gorilla to own the white guy.
I see some things haven't changed at Disney
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Lol, The Rat wants this to be the Asian Black Panther; but unlike the colonized negro race, the Han have a long history of real heroes to draw from.
It’s almost pathetic how artificial this movie is. Glad it will fail.
It’s almost pathetic how artificial this movie is. Glad it will fail.
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That really is the sticking point for these attempts going forward. It could only work with Black Panther, because Asians/Indians/Latinos have a pretty deep cinematic history to draw from for representation, but Nollywood, Africa's closest equivalent, is just beginning to get started. The crossover star potential just isn't there, because black Americans have been around too long for their foreign equivalent to really register as "real blacks" to the domestic population, but they're pretty much the only ethnic group that rings true for.
I'm pretty keen to see how the immigrant African population responds to things as Nollywood rises and they maybe retain a bit more connection to the homeland than American blacks do, for obvious reasons. Could we see a day where the African immigrant community has their own movies to love and mock the locals for liking things like Black Panther? I'm not sure. Imagine local blacks seething when African stars start crossing over the way Asian stars have over the last thirty years.
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Who Killed Captain Alex is the best Wakaliwood movie
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Way better than Black Widow, definately.
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I saw Shang Chi today.
I liked it well enough. It was a lot better than Black Widow.
I liked it well enough. It was a lot better than Black Widow.
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Just watched Shang-Chi (at no cost to me other than my time). This movie was some of the most blatant pandering-to-China-without-understanding-China I think I have ever had the displeasure of watching.
The guy playing Shang Chi has exactly zero charisma.
Lots of SKRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS (Shang Chi loses a kung fu battle to his self-taught sister; Michelle Yeoh teaches Shang Chi how to beat his father; Asian female sidekick masters the bow in exactly one day)
CGI and jumpcuts out the ass.
Lots, and lots, and lots of interpersonal drama, made worse by lots of flatter-than-a-plate-of-stale-piss dialogue.
The guy playing Shang Chi has exactly zero charisma.
Lots of SKRONG FEMALE CHARACTERS (Shang Chi loses a kung fu battle to his self-taught sister; Michelle Yeoh teaches Shang Chi how to beat his father; Asian female sidekick masters the bow in exactly one day)
CGI and jumpcuts out the ass.
Lots, and lots, and lots of interpersonal drama, made worse by lots of flatter-than-a-plate-of-stale-piss dialogue.
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I'm not going to see this movie. And it's because I simply don't care.
I would bet that it's probably a better film than Black Widow, though. lol. Black Widow was an absolute trainwreck and hands-down the worst MCU movie to date (much to my utmost dismay, as I'm a big fan of Black Widow and had wanted a solo movie ever since I saw the first Avengers flick). Shang-Chi, if I had to predict, is probably more competently made ... But is also boring as fuck.
I read this on Twitter the other day, and I thought it hit the nail on the head:
"The same white girl you dated in college who refused to watch John Woo movies with you is now telling the world how important it is to watch movies with Asian leads ... All because Mickey Mouse told her to."
I would bet that it's probably a better film than Black Widow, though. lol. Black Widow was an absolute trainwreck and hands-down the worst MCU movie to date (much to my utmost dismay, as I'm a big fan of Black Widow and had wanted a solo movie ever since I saw the first Avengers flick). Shang-Chi, if I had to predict, is probably more competently made ... But is also boring as fuck.
I read this on Twitter the other day, and I thought it hit the nail on the head:
"The same white girl you dated in college who refused to watch John Woo movies with you is now telling the world how important it is to watch movies with Asian leads ... All because Mickey Mouse told her to."
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@Absolutego
Strangely related to what you say, there are a lot of British actors who are non-White that are big successes in America. Jessica Henwick was mentioned above, but Idris Elba, David Oylewo and a tonne more. None of these are part of American "insert ethnicity" culture but get the roles because, well, Britain has a tradition of real acting schools and a culture that weeds out a lot of the crap actors. Sure, if you have a famous dad in the theatre it helps, but the critics will still sink you if you don't have talent and training. So in a way, there already is an immigrant community of actors playing the non-White roles.
I can at least accept Shang-Li's aunt (Michelle Yeoh) teaching him things. It fits in with the plot in that Shang-Li's mother was the only one who could ever beat his father. His sister I actually could also agree with as he's been living in America doing sweet F.A. for a decade whilst she's been continuing to practice and has been running underground fight clubs for that decade. Frankly, plot-wise, the egregious part is not that she beat him but that when we get to the final arc she is suddenly dispatched to do the background fights while he does the saving the world stuff.
If we had any old school feminists left rather than all these 3rd Wave "I fucked twenty guys but am a lesbian, trans women are women" types, I think they'd make the argument that his sister was arbitrarily side-lined for the sake of the male character and I'd actually fucking agree with them. Watching the bus fight scene I was thinking 'you've been in hiding since you were a teenager doing nothing, you're not going to take on five armed guys including a sub-hero level name character'. Now, if we want to bring realism of muscle and strength into it, then that's a factor but really that's just not a convention in these films.
On that subject, it was weird how he seemed to get super-powers at the end of the movie. There's nothing in the early parts that suggests he's super-powered in any way. He's supposedly just really well trained. That alone is stretching what he does to breaking point even in the MCU established setting. But later on he seems to hover in the air and react at beyond human levels. Is Eighties style "mystic martial arts" now supposed to be part of MCU tradition. It really would have felt out of place to have a "I have become one with the Tao float through the air" Kung Fu master type in the original Iron Man film. Or upto the Avengers film. But we seem to get it in this. It doesn't look like it's because of the Ten Rings he can do this stuff (though some of it is). If they added a touch of "it's practicing actual magic like Stephan Strange does" to things then it would fit better but for me personally, it felt like a bit of an odd insertion to the setting. In the comics, no doubt; but in the movies as established, I thought it weird.
Strangely related to what you say, there are a lot of British actors who are non-White that are big successes in America. Jessica Henwick was mentioned above, but Idris Elba, David Oylewo and a tonne more. None of these are part of American "insert ethnicity" culture but get the roles because, well, Britain has a tradition of real acting schools and a culture that weeds out a lot of the crap actors. Sure, if you have a famous dad in the theatre it helps, but the critics will still sink you if you don't have talent and training. So in a way, there already is an immigrant community of actors playing the non-White roles.
I can at least accept Shang-Li's aunt (Michelle Yeoh) teaching him things. It fits in with the plot in that Shang-Li's mother was the only one who could ever beat his father. His sister I actually could also agree with as he's been living in America doing sweet F.A. for a decade whilst she's been continuing to practice and has been running underground fight clubs for that decade. Frankly, plot-wise, the egregious part is not that she beat him but that when we get to the final arc she is suddenly dispatched to do the background fights while he does the saving the world stuff.
If we had any old school feminists left rather than all these 3rd Wave "I fucked twenty guys but am a lesbian, trans women are women" types, I think they'd make the argument that his sister was arbitrarily side-lined for the sake of the male character and I'd actually fucking agree with them. Watching the bus fight scene I was thinking 'you've been in hiding since you were a teenager doing nothing, you're not going to take on five armed guys including a sub-hero level name character'. Now, if we want to bring realism of muscle and strength into it, then that's a factor but really that's just not a convention in these films.
On that subject, it was weird how he seemed to get super-powers at the end of the movie. There's nothing in the early parts that suggests he's super-powered in any way. He's supposedly just really well trained. That alone is stretching what he does to breaking point even in the MCU established setting. But later on he seems to hover in the air and react at beyond human levels. Is Eighties style "mystic martial arts" now supposed to be part of MCU tradition. It really would have felt out of place to have a "I have become one with the Tao float through the air" Kung Fu master type in the original Iron Man film. Or upto the Avengers film. But we seem to get it in this. It doesn't look like it's because of the Ten Rings he can do this stuff (though some of it is). If they added a touch of "it's practicing actual magic like Stephan Strange does" to things then it would fit better but for me personally, it felt like a bit of an odd insertion to the setting. In the comics, no doubt; but in the movies as established, I thought it weird.