Marvel Cinematic Universe

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jellycar dijo:
I wonder about Alec. He apparently thought it was a little bit like Shakespeare. Carrie and the others said he was a very kind and teacher to them. Obviously he did it for money but part of me wonders if he genuinely enjoyed it.
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I think he may have enjoyed doing the movies but the SW fandom was what made him hate everything Star Wars related.
 
Yeah, if you're trying to use "cinema" to imply a certain amount of intended artistic weight than he's totally right. They're popcorn flicks. They're nice enough at it usually. They're no more high art filmographizing any more than Chopping Mall is, but they're fun enough.
Great to see people flip their shit like Mr Punchbulge Part 3 The Quipening is some misunderstood genius though.
 
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When Marty Met Shin’ya: How A Revered Japanese Filmmaker Joined The Cattle Call For A Role in ‘Silence’

But Tsukamoto, as far as Lewis knew, was just another actor when she pushed him on Scorsese during a meeting at a Tokyo hotel shortly after that first casting session. “Suddenly, he’s bowing to Marty, and Marty’s bowing to him,” as the two recognized each other as mutually admiring peers, she said.
“What are you talking about? The great director is coming to an audition?” Scorsese now recalls thinking, according to some just-compiled production notes for Silence.
For his part, Tsukamoto said it was an honor to be considered. “I would have been an extra for Mr. Scorsese,” he said, as described in those same notes.
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jellycar dijo:
I wonder about Alec. He apparently thought it was a little bit like Shakespeare. Carrie and the others said he was a very kind and teacher to them. Obviously he did it for money but part of me wonders if he genuinely enjoyed it.
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Uranus Pink dijo:
I think he may have enjoyed doing the movies but the SW fandom was what made him hate everything Star Wars related.
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I've heard two different things:
- In a letter to a friend, he said it was "fairytale rubbish" but he was doing it because Lucas directed American Graffiti, so it would probably turn out good, and he was getting paid a shitload
- Mark Hamill said he asked Alec why he was doing this, and Alec said he wanted to be in a simple "good v evil" story where he played a kind old wizard, or something

I think both can be true - I think some of the things I like are rubbish, but I enjoy them!
 
Puddleduck dijo:
I've heard two different things:
- In a letter to a friend, he said it was "fairytale rubbish" but he was doing it because Lucas directed American Graffiti, so it would probably turn out good, and he was getting paid a shitload
- Mark Hamill said he asked Alec why he was doing this, and Alec said he wanted to be in a simple "good v evil" story where he played a kind old wizard, or something

I think both can be true - I think some of the things I like are rubbish, but I enjoy them!
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Well, that, and as a professional he didn't want to drag down the young 'uns.
 

RDJ responds to Scorsese's comments.

Sounds to me that RDJ is taking Scorsese's comments like a fucking adult. He defends Marvel in the way that he says he's proud of being a part of it and that the MCU is cinema, while under the same breath saying he doesn't want an Oscar nom for Iron Man and that "Scorsese can say what he wants because he's Martin Scorsese."

Some people have said RDJ sat on the fence about this one. I don't. In my opinion, RDJ basically said that the MCU is "real cinema," however, it's not in the same category as Martin Scorsese's movies. Which, if you think about it, is pretty much the right answer. Haha.

Personally I do think that the MCU is killing cinema, in the same sense that Lord of the Rings killed cinema. The MCU is a series of solid movies, however, Hollywood sees those dollar signs and everyone is trying to be the MCU now. With the LOTR Trilogy, everyone wanted to make 3-hour epics with three parts because that trilogy was so amazing.

I'm a fan of the MCU, overall. However, variety is the spice of life ... And I'm pretty damn sick of the lack of variety in cinema these days because of the MCU's success.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love dijo:
Well don't blame that on the MCU, blame that on the talentless faggots who are trying to ride it's coattails.
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But the MCU is also made by talentless faggots as well.

We're begging for a "The Virgin Joss Whedon vs. The Chad Martin Scorsese" meme.

While guys like Gunn are more involved with the newer films, they all ape Whedon's tryhard faux-snarky style to some degree or another.
 
Syaoran Li dijo:
But the MCU is also made by talentless faggots as well.
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Oh Bullshit, just because you don't like it the people involved have to be Talentless.

Syaoran Li dijo:
We're begging for a "The Virgin Joss Whedon vs. The Chad Martin Scorsese" meme.
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Yeah because Hollywood needs more jerking off about how great "Artistic" they are and how the "Unwashed Masses who watch Capeshit and Transformers" don't know "REAL ART! tm"
 
I personally think it's valid to critic the MCU for being formulaic, and not being artsy, and maybe a bit shallow, but I'm not a fan of hating things just for the sake of them being popular. You are just hating success for the sake of it.

Artistic and independent creators seem to be contractually obligated to hate anything that's mainstream and popular. But, I feel like what they really hate is what this movie represents, mass-produced movies made to appeal to the masses for cold cash, and not out of actually hating or even knowing much about the movies themselves.

Are they mass-produced and designed to appeal to the most common denominator for cold cash? Yes, they are. BUT that doesn't mean they have no value.

As cheesy as it might be, the magic it has of making children play as Thor or Iron Man, the message of, say, Captain America the Winter Soldier of fighting for what's you think it's right even if the whole world is against you, that's something special you won't find in a hundred french artsy films about some depressed dude.
 
MCU movies are as "creatively bankrupt" as bullshit like Twister and Independence Day were back in the day or that ___ Has Fallen series or the Fast and Furious movies now. The overwhelming majority of movies, popular or otherwise, aren't exactly renown kino. I completely understand why people wouldn't dig the movies but to blame the capeshit for some kind of historic lowpoint for the artform is unbelievably retarded.

In general, not that I'm saying Scorsese implied as much.
 
KillThemCrackasBabies dijo:
MCU movies are as "creatively bankrupt" as bullshit like Twister and Independence Day were back in the day or that ___ Has Fallen series or the Fast and Furious movies now. The overwhelming majority of movies, popular or otherwise, aren't exactly renown kino. I completely understand why people wouldn't dig the movies but to blame the capeshit for some kind of historic lowpoint for the artform is unbelievably exceptional.

In general, not that I'm saying Scorsese implied as much.
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Pretty much and when capeshit loses mainstream popularity they'll be a new popcorn movie fad to replace it.
 
Personally, I don't see how you can watch the Guardians of the Galaxy movies and think, "The director doesn't even try to say anything with the movie." Same goes with movies like the first Iron Man, The Winter Soldier, and Infinity War.

The MCU is full of blockbusters, yes ... But I don't think that the entirety of it is void of creativity, characters, and emotion. Give me an MCU movie over literally anything Roland Emmerich has shat out, for starters.

I wouldn't dare compare the MCU to films like Scorsese's work. However, I think they're solid blockbusters ... Much in the same vain as the original Star Wars Trilogy.

Like I said, variety is the spice of life. Give me good art films, and give me good blockbusters.
 
Articles keep claiming Richard Madden is playing the first LGBTQ superhero which doesn't make sense because his character is romancing Gemma Chan. Also hes probably bisexual tho hes obviously alerting the paparazzi.

Course he also dated several underage girls.....creeper.
 
XYZpdq dijo:
Marvel capes were a bunch of snarky assholes being bitches to each other a long time before Whedon
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Agreed. However, I think that Whedon definitely took it a step too far in Age of Ultron.

I don't hate Age of Ultron as a whole, don't get me wrong, but there were definitely some character moments that felt very "off" to me. For example, during the final battle, Cap throwing one of the Ultrons off the floating city. Cap literally stopped fighting to make time to quip ... And it wasn't even a quip that was remotely accurate to Cap's character.

The first Avengers movie is a really good movie, I think. The character moments (even the quips) led me to believe that Whedon actually understood the characters he was writing. Most of the quips in Age of Ultron felt forced and tired. I know that MCU fans love that "Language!" running joke ... But it really isn't that funny ... And Cap sounded like a dumbass during that scene, which isn't really plausible at that point considering the events of The Winter Soldier.

Then, from out of nowhere, Whedon will write some fucking GEM like this (one of my favorite moments in the MCU altogether):

Whedon is a cringelord these days, don't get me wrong ... But I'll always thank him for his good stuff.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love dijo:
Oh Bullshit, just because you don't like it the people involved have to be Talentless.


Yeah because Hollywood needs more jerking off about how great "Artistic" they are and how the "Unwashed Masses who watch Capeshit and Transformers" don't know "REAL ART! tm"
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The stuffy "Real Art" types are every bit as cringe-inducing as the Millennial capeshit shills.

Personally, I love the Hollywood Blockbusters and genre films and summer used to be my favorite time to go to the movies. But I fucking loathe 2010's capeshit.

With that being said, Martin Scorsese is a cinematic genius. The entirety of the MCU can't hold a candle to Goodfellas, Casino, Gangs of New York, or The Wolf of Wall Street.

Also, I don't like Joss Whedon but I do consider him an untalented one-hit wonder who got lucky when he made Buffy.
 
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