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So far the only thing to really see in this film is J.K. Simmons back as Jameson, even though they made Jameson an Alex Jones type character. I miss seeing him with the classic Jameson hair, but I am happy that marvel actually didn't recast the character because he's so damn good as Jameson.
 
@kadoink I would put spoiler tags on your post ... Because I would have been pissed if I had seen it before seeing the movie, lol.

Anyway, I saw Far From Home. I'd say that it's on the same level of quality as Spider-Man: Homecoming. That is either a good or bad thing depending on how you feel about that movie. If I had to pick which movie I prefer though, I'd say Far From Home.

First off, I absolutely loved how Mysterio was handled in this movie. He was really cool, and I thought it was fantastic that they explained his powers through the B.A.R.F. Stark Tech that was revealed in Captain America: Civil War. Makes perfect sense, and the character fits in the MCU extremely well, I'd say. Jake Gylenhaal is really good in the role, too. I can imagine that some will think his performance was a little hammy ... But, for me, that just stayed true to the Mysterio/Quentin Beck character. Beck is a disgraced actor in the comics ... And in this movie, he is putting on a performance, so the theatrics of it all were important for him. If I had to pick, I think that Michael Keaton's Vulture is the stronger villain ... But I really have no complaints with Mysterio. File him under the "Good Spider-Man Movie Villains" folder.

I also dig how this movie delved into some of the consequences of the Snapture. It was funny, and I felt it made sense. This movie truly feels like both an epilogue to the Infinity Saga as well as a new beginning for the MCU. If anybody is scared like I was about Captain Marvel being the "lead" of the MCU from here on out, then lay your fears to rest. It's clear to me that the new lead of the MCU is Spider-Man.

If there was one big problem I had with Spider-Man: Homecoming, it's that I felt there were no big consequences in that movie (and Spider-Man has always been about consequences). That said, this movie answers to that complaint, especially in the mid credits scene. It is a FANTASTIC setup for the next Spider-Man movie, and now I am impatiently waiting for the next one.

I literally "squee'd" at the JJJ reveal in the theater. I had zero chill. Haha. J.K. Simmons ... FUCK YES. Thank you, Marvel! Even without the J.K. Simmons reveal, the mid credits scene is absolutely fantastic. You want consequences in your Spider-Man movie? Welp, you got it now! This is easily my favorite MCU credits scene ... And I think that's mostly because it wasn't a setup for a future Avengers/Crossover/MCU movie. It was a setup for a future SPIDER-MAN movie.

Even though I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, I do have some nitpicks:

-I still can't get over the MCU "MJ." She is NOT MJ. She's Michelle. She didn't need to be called MJ to be an interesting character. I like Michelle (and I enjoyed her a lot more in this new movie-- she was adorable). However, everyone fucking rags on Kirsten Dunst about how she's "not comic book accurate" MJ, but when the MCU completely makes the character unrecognizable (in both personality and appearance), the fanboys don't rage? The hell?

-MCU Spidey needs more Uncle Ben. It was a wasted opportunity to not have Mysterio create an illusion of Uncle Ben for Peter during their first fight. Sure, Mysterio didn't know Uncle Ben personally, but he had the EDITH tech and could have easily looked up ALL of Peter's personal info to at least create an image of Uncle Ben ... Or his tombstone (like they did with Tony-- a legitimately creepy and effective moment). I FELT an Uncle Ben reference coming ... But then it never came.

All in all, this was a very good entry in the MCU and a very good Spider-Man movie. Is it one of the best Spidey movies, though? Nope. Sam Raimi's first two movies and Spider-Verse still take the cake for me. Easily. I feel that those movies "get" the themes of Spider-Man more. Granted, I think that a lot of the changes the MCU has made happened because they needed to shake things up to prevent audiences from rolling their eyes and getting bored ... But I think that the better movies I mentioned just hit every part of my checklist as to what I want to see in a Spidey movie (and more).

PS- I know that some people complained about "SJW-lite moments" in Homecoming. I'm happy to report that there are zero moments like that in this movie, even with Michelle. Michelle is a much softer and sweeter character in this movie who also happens to have a morbid sense of humor. That's it.
 
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Nobody talks about MJ being replaced because most MCU fans are SJW cucks who approve of blackwashing, so changing a character's being is okay as long as "representation" is done. Plus, Zendaya has easily one of the most overzealous fans ever. Add to that typical kangz and sjw attitude, and you have a cancer of a fandom.

Aside from MJ, she's also gonna be Ariel. Disney seems to think it's cute she can pass off as a redhead.
 
As a gigantic Spider-Man autist I'm just glad they used MJ at all after the decade+ of Marvel trying desperately to replace and erase her.

Anyway, I saw Far From Home today and enjoyed it a lot. Mysterio, much like the Vulture, they managed to both stay true to the original character while also updating and integrating him into the MCU fairly well. My biggest problem with the movie was the use of Spider-Man's Peter Tingle spider-sense. They ignored it in the previous movies to the point where I figured Peter explaining to Stark in Civil War about how enhanced his senses are was going to be this adaptation's version of the spider-sense. Even FFH pretty much ignored it right up until he actually needed a real 'danger sense'.

- I wonder if Dmitri was meant to have any connection to Kraven. In the comics the Chameleon's real name is Dmitri and he's Kraven's half-brother. The character's look is also what I imagine they'd go for for a live adaption of the character. I'm surprised they didn't do anything with the Chameleon given the whole illusion stuff of the film. The character also just sorta disappears halfway through the movie.
- Are they trying to combine Flash and Harry's characters? The final scene for Flash about his absentee rich father seemed much more reminiscent of Harry Osborn. Flash's father in the comics was an abusive drunk.
- Ned and Betty hooking up was a goofy but sweet nod to the comics.
- I wonder if they ever plan to do anything with the Sinister Six set-up from Homecoming's credit scene. It'd tie in well with the third film's set-up.

I thought Nick Fury seemed like a retard throughout the film but post-credits scene I guess let them eat their cake and have it too (which is to say, let them have Fury in the film but not be smart enough to foil Mysterio's plot)
 
Nobody talks about MJ being replaced because most MCU fans are SJW cucks who approve of blackwashing, so changing a character's being is okay as long as "representation" is done. Plus, Zendaya has easily one of the most overzealous fans ever. Add to that typical kangz and sjw attitude, and you have a cancer of a fandom.

Aside from MJ, she's also gonna be Ariel. Disney seems to think it's cute she can pass off as a redhead.

Yeah, and these same exceptional MCU fans started to bully the adorable little girl who played Tony and Pepper's daughter in Avengers: Endgame. Why? Welp ... Because she's a white girl and they can't even accept the POSSIBILITY of a white girl becoming Iron Heart (and not Riri Williams). They created their own situation in their head and took it out on a seven year-old. Want to talk about "toxic fandoms," Hollywood? Look no further than the SJW side of these things.

Zendaya is really good in these Spidey movies ... But why not just make her a new character? Slapping the "MJ" moniker on her takes so much away, I think. It boils her down to the movie studios creating their own fanfiction instead of just going with a brand new character.

If the MCU wanted to blackwash MJ, though, then AT LEAST dye Zendaya's hair red, for crying out loud. Having an MJ that's not a redhead is equivalent to havng a Superman without his cape, or Batman without his cowl.

And, I'm going to say it: I adore Kirsten Dunst's MJ. Always have, always will.
 
Homecoming Post Credits: Scorpion demands to know Spider-Man's secret identity so he can get his contacts outside of prison to murder him.

Far From Home Post Credits: Spider-Man's identity is revealed to the general public by J. Jonah Jameson.
 
MCU Spider-Man is lame. If they never did the deal in 2015, would the MCU be different? Not really.

Sony would keep making those Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movies though.

I still think that Sam Raimi's interpretation of the character remains untouched ... But give me MCU Spider-Man over Andrew Garfield's stupid fucking face ANY DAY.
 
@kadoink I would put spoiler tags on your post ... Because I would have been pissed if I had seen it before seeing the movie, lol.

Anyway, I saw Far From Home. I'd say that it's on the same level of quality as Spider-Man: Homecoming. That is either a good or bad thing depending on how you feel about that movie. If I had to pick which movie I prefer though, I'd say Far From Home.

First off, I absolutely loved how Mysterio was handled in this movie. He was really cool, and I thought it was fantastic that they explained his powers through the B.A.R.F. Stark Tech that was revealed in Captain America: Civil War. Makes perfect sense, and the character fits in the MCU extremely well, I'd say. Jake Gylenhaal is really good in the role, too. I can imagine that some will think his performance was a little hammy ... But, for me, that just stayed true to the Mysterio/Quentin Beck character. Beck is a disgraced actor in the comics ... And in this movie, he is putting on a performance, so the theatrics of it all were important for him. If I had to pick, I think that Michael Keaton's Vulture is the stronger villain ... But I really have no complaints with Mysterio. File him under the "Good Spider-Man Movie Villains" folder.

I also dig how this movie delved into some of the consequences of the Snapture. It was funny, and I felt it made sense. This movie truly feels like both an epilogue to the Infinity Saga as well as a new beginning for the MCU. If anybody is scared like I was about Captain Marvel being the "lead" of the MCU from here on out, then lay your fears to rest. It's clear to me that the new lead of the MCU is Spider-Man.

If there was one big problem I had with Spider-Man: Homecoming, it's that I felt there were no big consequences in that movie (and Spider-Man has always been about consequences). That said, this movie answers to that complaint, especially in the mid credits scene. It is a FANTASTIC setup for the next Spider-Man movie, and now I am impatiently waiting for the next one.

I literally "squee'd" at the JJJ reveal in the theater. I had zero chill. Haha. J.K. Simmons ... FUCK YES. Thank you, Marvel! Even without the J.K. Simmons reveal, the mid credits scene is absolutely fantastic. You want consequences in your Spider-Man movie? Welp, you got it now! This is easily my favorite MCU credits scene ... And I think that's mostly because it wasn't a setup for a future Avengers/Crossover/MCU movie. It was a setup for a future SPIDER-MAN movie.

Even though I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, I do have some nitpicks:

-I still can't get over the MCU "MJ." She is NOT MJ. She's Michelle. She didn't need to be called MJ to be an interesting character. I like Michelle (and I enjoyed her a lot more in this new movie-- she was adorable). However, everyone fucking rags on Kirsten Dunst about how she's "not comic book accurate" MJ, but when the MCU completely makes the character unrecognizable (in both personality and appearance), the fanboys don't rage? The hell?

-MCU Spidey needs more Uncle Ben. It was a wasted opportunity to not have Mysterio create an illusion of Uncle Ben for Peter during their first fight. Sure, Mysterio didn't know Uncle Ben personally, but he had the EDITH tech and could have easily looked up ALL of Peter's personal info to at least create an image of Uncle Ben ... Or his tombstone (like they did with Tony-- a legitimately creepy and effective moment). I FELT an Uncle Ben reference coming ... But then it never came.

All in all, this was a very good entry in the MCU and a very good Spider-Man movie. Is it one of the best Spidey movies, though? Nope. Sam Raimi's first two movies and Spider-Verse still take the cake for me. Easily. I feel that those movies "get" the themes of Spider-Man more. Granted, I think that a lot of the changes the MCU has made happened because they needed to shake things up to prevent audiences from rolling their eyes and getting bored ... But I think that the better movies I mentioned just hit every part of my checklist as to what I want to see in a Spidey movie (and more).

PS- I know that some people complained about "SJW-lite moments" in Homecoming. I'm happy to report that there are zero moments like that in this movie, even with Michelle. Michelle is a much softer and sweeter character in this movie who also happens to have a morbid sense of humor. That's it.
I tought the suitcase was an uncle ben reference
 
I tought the suitcase was an uncle ben reference

It was ... But I think there needs to be something more than that to reference Uncle Ben. Especially in that trippy Mysterio scene. The movie had an opportunity to deliver a huge emotional punch, and they didn't go for it. Don't get me wrong, that first encounter with Mysterio WAS awesome ... But a reference to what happened with Uncle Ben would have made it even better.

I think it's sacrilege to not include Uncle Ben in a Spider-Man story. I don't want a sepia-toned flash back of his death, but a reference to the cause of his death would go a long way for me. Heck, show me a flashback or two of Peter as a young boy hanging out with his uncle, even (just to show Uncle Ben meant something to him). The MCU has essentially made Tony Stark the "New Uncle Ben," which is a misstep. I loved Peter and Tony's relationship ... But Uncle Ben is VITAL to the Spider-Man mythos. Peter wasn't responsible in the slightest over Tony's death in Endgame ... Peter still needs Uncle Ben in his story. We all still need to understand what MCU Peter's catalyst was to become Spider-Man. In the MCU, we just see that Peter just wants to become an Avenger. We don't see that Peter wanted to become Spider-Man because he learned about responsibility in the hardest way possible, and I really do think that's what someone like Sam Raimi understands the best out of everyone who has adapted Spidey on the big screen.

Some initials on a suitcase aren't enough for me. Especially since that suitcase got destroyed at some point in the movie, and Peter doesn't even react to it. Not even an "Oh no, Uncle Ben's suitcase! :(" moment. Uncle Ben is an afterthought in the MCU, and that's a damn shame.
 
Any truth to the theory that Mysterio was lying about a multiverse?
It depends what you mean. The MCU is still Earth-199999 within the larger Marvel multiverse so it's not like it doesn't exist.....just Mysterio was making shit up about "GREETINGS EARTH-616, I COME FROM 833 WHERE MY HOME WAS DESTROYED BY ELEMENTALS!". The 616 and 833 are just easter eggs and not anything deeper than that. Heck, the MCU already had a bunch of easter eggs with the number 616.

@kadoink I would put spoiler tags on your post ... Because I would have been pissed if I had seen it before seeing the movie, lol.

Anyway, I saw Far From Home. I'd say that it's on the same level of quality as Spider-Man: Homecoming. That is either a good or bad thing depending on how you feel about that movie. If I had to pick which movie I prefer though, I'd say Far From Home.

First off, I absolutely loved how Mysterio was handled in this movie. He was really cool, and I thought it was fantastic that they explained his powers through the B.A.R.F. Stark Tech that was revealed in Captain America: Civil War. Makes perfect sense, and the character fits in the MCU extremely well, I'd say. Jake Gylenhaal is really good in the role, too. I can imagine that some will think his performance was a little hammy ... But, for me, that just stayed true to the Mysterio/Quentin Beck character. Beck is a disgraced actor in the comics ... And in this movie, he is putting on a performance, so the theatrics of it all were important for him. If I had to pick, I think that Michael Keaton's Vulture is the stronger villain ... But I really have no complaints with Mysterio. File him under the "Good Spider-Man Movie Villains" folder.

I also dig how this movie delved into some of the consequences of the Snapture. It was funny, and I felt it made sense. This movie truly feels like both an epilogue to the Infinity Saga as well as a new beginning for the MCU. If anybody is scared like I was about Captain Marvel being the "lead" of the MCU from here on out, then lay your fears to rest. It's clear to me that the new lead of the MCU is Spider-Man.

If there was one big problem I had with Spider-Man: Homecoming, it's that I felt there were no big consequences in that movie (and Spider-Man has always been about consequences). That said, this movie answers to that complaint, especially in the mid credits scene. It is a FANTASTIC setup for the next Spider-Man movie, and now I am impatiently waiting for the next one.

I literally "squee'd" at the JJJ reveal in the theater. I had zero chill. Haha. J.K. Simmons ... FUCK YES. Thank you, Marvel! Even without the J.K. Simmons reveal, the mid credits scene is absolutely fantastic. You want consequences in your Spider-Man movie? Welp, you got it now! This is easily my favorite MCU credits scene ... And I think that's mostly because it wasn't a setup for a future Avengers/Crossover/MCU movie. It was a setup for a future SPIDER-MAN movie.

Even though I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, I do have some nitpicks:

-I still can't get over the MCU "MJ." She is NOT MJ. She's Michelle. She didn't need to be called MJ to be an interesting character. I like Michelle (and I enjoyed her a lot more in this new movie-- she was adorable). However, everyone fucking rags on Kirsten Dunst about how she's "not comic book accurate" MJ, but when the MCU completely makes the character unrecognizable (in both personality and appearance), the fanboys don't rage? The hell?

-MCU Spidey needs more Uncle Ben. It was a wasted opportunity to not have Mysterio create an illusion of Uncle Ben for Peter during their first fight. Sure, Mysterio didn't know Uncle Ben personally, but he had the EDITH tech and could have easily looked up ALL of Peter's personal info to at least create an image of Uncle Ben ... Or his tombstone (like they did with Tony-- a legitimately creepy and effective moment). I FELT an Uncle Ben reference coming ... But then it never came.

All in all, this was a very good entry in the MCU and a very good Spider-Man movie. Is it one of the best Spidey movies, though? Nope. Sam Raimi's first two movies and Spider-Verse still take the cake for me. Easily. I feel that those movies "get" the themes of Spider-Man more. Granted, I think that a lot of the changes the MCU has made happened because they needed to shake things up to prevent audiences from rolling their eyes and getting bored ... But I think that the better movies I mentioned just hit every part of my checklist as to what I want to see in a Spidey movie (and more).

PS- I know that some people complained about "SJW-lite moments" in Homecoming. I'm happy to report that there are zero moments like that in this movie, even with Michelle. Michelle is a much softer and sweeter character in this movie who also happens to have a morbid sense of humor. That's it.
Yeah, basically MCU Spider-Man is just really weird for an adaptation. He's less Peter Parker and more Miles Morales with a little "Stark Jr." mixed in. Sure, he has the appearance of Peter and lives with an aunt May but that's about it, everything else is Miles. I also don't really care for Michelle and think they screwed up there by not going all out with making an original character.

If they wanted something different, it'd be nice to see an adaptation actually show an older Peter. The high school stuff was only like the first 35-ish issues of the series and the overwhelming majority of Spider-Man stories aren't about "some kid". Do an adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt or something.

Most people I've seen who complain about Parker being overdone are more people sick of adaptations doing the "Spider-Boy" stuff over and over again. It's weird when people suggest replacing Peter is the solution when that would just lead to an endless cycle of "the same stuff".
 
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Spiderman being hated by the dumb masses, despite clearly being a hero, and being friends with other heroes who could have (and should have) publically vouched for him, has always been one of my least favorite aspects of a character who is tied with, and often beats, Batman as being my favorite comic book character. I'm not really a fan of them bringing that factor into the MCU.
 
If they wanted something different, it'd be nice to see an adaptation actually show an older Peter. The high school stuff was only like the first 35-ish issues of the series and the overwhelming majority of Spider-Man stories aren't about "some kid".

You mean like Raimi's Spider-Man 2 & 3 or even older?

I think it would be difficult to have an adult Peter without first having a teenage Peter. When a teenager does something life-threatening and grossly irresponsible, no one bats an eye. Its not the same for adults, especially adults who have families. Having a family changes the calculus of the character's motivation. Going out and fighting crime is easy when you have no attachments and aren't responsible for anyone. But when fighting crime means you might leave your child an orphan, lose your job and no longer be able to provide for your family, or even make a target of your family, your dead uncle's guilt trip really isn't enough justification for taking those risks.
 
You mean like Raimi's Spider-Man 2 & 3 or even older?

I think it would be difficult to have an adult Peter without first having a teenage Peter. When a teenager does something life-threatening and grossly irresponsible, no one bats an eye. Its not the same for adults, especially adults who have families. Having a family changes the calculus of the character's motivation. Going out and fighting crime is easy when you have no attachments and aren't responsible for anyone. But when fighting crime means you might leave your child an orphan, lose your job and no longer be able to provide for your family, or even make a target of your family, your dead uncle's guilt trip really isn't enough justification for taking those risks.
I honestly liked the 90s cartoon's approach to this where he was a college student trying to balance his social life with heroics.
 
I feel conflicted about Peter being young in the MCU. Having Peter as a teenager opened the door for the relationship between him and Tony Stark (which turned out being great!), and it also added some variety to the ensemble of heroes (who are pretty much all adults except or Peter).

On the other hand, though, the whole "Spidey in high school" thing has been played out so many times in every medium that I'm more than ready to see a Spider-MAN. A lot of Spidey's best stories happened when he was an adult, after all. I don't like how Marvel Comics has been approaching Spidey as the "hero for little kids!" for so long.

I really do feel like the Spider-Verse movie handled Peter B. Parker the way that they did as a criticism to the writers who keep refusing to let Peter grow up ... Which is part of the reason why I think that movie is so goddamn brilliant.
 
Spiderman being hated by the dumb masses, despite clearly being a hero, and being friends with other heroes who could have (and should have) publically vouched for him, has always been one of my least favorite aspects of a character who is tied with, and often beats, Batman as being my favorite comic book character. I'm not really a fan of them bringing that factor into the MCU.
In the comics it made more sense since he wasn't really close with any other capes until the 90s, most found him to be annoying or a creep, sometimes Peter would drop the ball like when the Avengers tried recruiting him. They tasked him with tracking down the Hulk and Peter noped out once he found out about Banner with the Avengers never getting a chance to explain they were trying to help Banner, not hunt him down.

The Fantastic Four was the main group he was close with before the 90s rolled around and made him an honorary Avenger, buddy up with the X-Men, etc. I get what you mean though.

You mean like Raimi's Spider-Man 2 & 3 or even older?

I think it would be difficult to have an adult Peter without first having a teenage Peter. When a teenager does something life-threatening and grossly irresponsible, no one bats an eye. Its not the same for adults, especially adults who have families. Having a family changes the calculus of the character's motivation. Going out and fighting crime is easy when you have no attachments and aren't responsible for anyone. But when fighting crime means you might leave your child an orphan, lose your job and no longer be able to provide for your family, or even make a target of your family, your dead uncle's guilt trip really isn't enough justification for taking those risks.
Maybe? I don't mean "change his origin so he becomes Spider-Man as an adult" or anything like that, just actually going past high school and/or college for a change. MCU Spidey already has a bit of "He's been around for a while, no one cares".

It's kinda like if Nightwing was getting a ton of movies but he's stuck in some kind of loop because adaptations keep focusing on Dick Grayson's time as Robin as it's his origin story and never stick around to actually get to Nightwing. If everyone already knows the shtick with Robin/"Spider-Boy", why not just start out as if it already played out?
 
Yeah, and these same exceptional MCU fans started to bully the adorable little girl who played Tony and Pepper's daughter in Avengers: Endgame. Why? Welp ... Because she's a white girl and they can't even accept the POSSIBILITY of a white girl becoming Iron Heart (and not Riri Williams). They created their own situation in their head and took it out on a seven year-old. Want to talk about "toxic fandoms," Hollywood? Look no further than the SJW side of these things.

Zendaya is really good in these Spidey movies ... But why not just make her a new character? Slapping the "MJ" moniker on her takes so much away, I think. It boils her down to the movie studios creating their own fanfiction instead of just going with a brand new character.

If the MCU wanted to blackwash MJ, though, then AT LEAST dye Zendaya's hair red, for crying out loud. Having an MJ that's not a redhead is equivalent to havng a Superman without his cape, or Batman without his cowl.

And, I'm going to say it: I adore Kirsten Dunst's MJ. Always have, always will.
I've always got the feeling she was meant to be a new character, but some faggot exec got scared and they threw the mj moniker on her.
 
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