Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Doctor of Autism]

What are you refering to?

 

[starborn427614]

Is it just me, or Vanessa's new man Adam just looks like blonde Asmongold? I guess she has a thing for baldies.

I can see it. I liked the episode, but Charlie and Vincent are carrying things right now and the shit with the client was laughably one sided. I'm sympathetic to a point, but if you keep stealing then no shit you're going to end up in jail. That's not the system's fault, that's your fault.

 

[oh no its pipkun]

He probably is in the comics at this point but that's just the state of the western comic book industry now.

Marvel isn't running any punisher comicz after the gay ninja punisher run 2 years ago. and they made him a ninja because blm whined about him and his skull logo.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

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tbh actually bringing in the Fox Cartoon X Men along with a bunch of live action might be kind of cool
I'm sure they'll suck at it, but the idea isn't bad

 

[Doctor of Autism]

tbh actually bringing in the Fox Cartoon X Men along with a bunch of live action might be kind of cool
I'm sure they'll suck at it, but the idea isn't bad

Like the idea could be interesting until you remember they'll probably have Captain Carter save the day since Feige has been pushing her a lot

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Like the idea could be interesting until you remember they'll probably have Captain Carter save the day since Feige has been pushing her a lot

yeah that's what I mean, we'll get shit from the finished product for sure, including a retread of the Pointing Spiderman meme gag from Spider-Verse
but the core idea of "what part of ALL universes did you not understand" is pretty cool, especially with modern (the past sumteeflump years) able to throw in really crazy shit like newspaper style print

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

they made him a ninja

Not really. The Hand made him a deal, and the most egregious part is that he took it. Frank wouldn't do that. Beyond that, he was pretty much the killing machine he always was, he just used them to increase the number of targets he could get to.

He's done that before. It was called Microchip in the 80s.

The new guy running around as a Punisher sucks, but whatever, it's all intermission until the real thing comes back. None of it compares to Frank from MAX.

 

[The Nothingness]

Let's not forget that these people said something pretty troubling about their big desperate miscast of RDJ as Dr. Doom, or rather Evil Iron Man

I'm gonna make my prediction. After escaping from the Ten Rings and somehow learning about his death from Endgame, an alternate Tony Stark becomes more egotistical and wants to bring order to world under his rule.

 

[Xenomorphs Are Cute]

I'm gonna make my prediction. After escaping from the Ten Rings and somehow learning about his death from Endgame, an alternate Tony Stark becomes more egotistical and wants to bring order to world under his rule.

Kinda like Superior Iron-Man from the comics.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

I don't see Avengers: Doomsday being good after seeing the reviews of The Electric State, and both are made by the Russo brothers. The Electric State's $320 million budget has to be a money-laundering scheme.

The film is such a dumb mess and deviates so much from the original source material, apparantly even the guy who wrote the graphic novel it's based on does not want his name associated with this film.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I don't see Avengers: Doomsday being good after seeing the reviews of The Electric State, and both are made by the Russo brothers. The Electric State's $320 million budget has to be a money-laundering scheme.

The film is such a dumb mess and deviates so much from the original source material, apparantly even the guy who wrote the graphic novel it's based on does not want his name associated with this film.

Yeah I said as much as well especially with how its a film that says absolutely nothing with no idea who its for. To some its a kids movie, to some its a movie taking itself too seriously, to everyone else its a mess.

It doesn't help the Russos have gotten inflated egos since Endgame since as my screencaps show, they are still salty about Martin Scorcese saying the MCU is like theme park rides, blamed Harvey Weinstein for why Endgame didn't get any Oscars, and act like they are pioneers with evil Iron Man and their juvenile use of generative AI.

It doesn't help their only post-marvel success was producing Everything Everywhere All At Once, which they barely had involvement with in the creativity department.

So Doomsday is a cooked movie that people may see because of RDJ.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

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Multiverse in films has went through the same issues in comics - It's really gay and lazy once the novelty wears off. Either it's some reference only neckbeards would understand, something "wacky" that is based on a singular joke, or switch around hero identities.

Potentially you can do interesting introspection of a character's actions, but it's always shown that anything that isn't status quo is objectively wrong and evil. So even that's not a factor.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Multiverse in films has went through the same issues in comics - It's really gay and lazy once the novelty wears off. Either it's some reference only neckbeards would understand, something "wacky" that is based on a singular joke, or switch around hero identities.

Potentially you can do interesting introspection of a character's actions, but it's always shown that anything that isn't status quo is objectively wrong and evil. So even that's not a factor.

The large issue with multiverse stories and the key to making them work is to make them small or personal. The worst of the multiverse tries to make things too grand and epic, or focused more on fanservice.

The best of the multiverse either can have people see alternate versions of themselves in how they live their lives differently or how another person would act in their position. That or actually explore interesting what if scenarios.

Of course, the simple thing with the Multiverse to make it work too is just to have fun with the concept instead of making it just a cameo zoo where you gawk at other possibilities. Deadpool and Wolverine for all its faults does actually try to have fun with the multiverse compared to What If. What If has to be the worst usage of it as it implies an interesting look into other timelines but there's lazy stuff that is not fun, interesting, or cool like what if hulk was purple or something, and then ruining the idea of an anthology by connecting it all together..

 

[Stab You in the Back]

What If..? was always its best when it took a storyline from the comics and changed the ending.

I was not a fan of the goofier stuff. This honestly feels like what the MCU What If...? does.

Then you have the things you wish would have stayed in What If...?

Spoiler

The best of the multiverse either can have people see alternate versions of themselves in how they live their lives differently or how another person would act in their position.

So basically Strange MoM where the Scarlett Witch is pining over her life in a different universe before realizing she can never have that life because she's fundamentally different from the Wanda in that universe.

To Strange MoM's credit, it did the multiverse right. No earthshattering consequences. No bringing over alternate Stranges to completely invalidate the stakes (ala Rick and Morty). You have Wanda's emotional journey and also hijinks with Strange and America Chavez.

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

Kinda like Superior Iron-Man from the comics.

I could be misremembering but that sounds nothing like Superior Iron Man? I thought SIM was just an even bigger asshole than Tony Stark who tricked people into downloading a virus on their phone that made them beautiful for a day, then charged 100 bucks a day to renew it? Granted I think I only read the first arc so more could have happened haha

 

[Gunslinger Spawn]

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Funny thing about the second one is Frank's family does get killed. Not in the mob war crossfire but by the hands of corrupt cops. This title is the equivalent of a clickbait article.

Bendis reworked this origin story for the Ultimate universe which I liked a little bit more.

 

[AllieKat]

Of course, the simple thing with the Multiverse to make it work too is just to have fun with the concept instead of making it just a cameo zoo where you gawk at other possibilities. Deadpool and Wolverine for all its faults does actually try to have fun with the multiverse compared to What If. What If has to be the worst usage of it as it implies an interesting look into other timelines but there's lazy stuff that is not fun, interesting, or cool like what if hulk was purple or something, and then ruining the idea of an anthology by connecting it all together..

Comic What If was a great exploration of alternative scenarios like "What if Logan didn't get picked up by Weapon X?" or "What if Gwen Stacy lived?".

MCU What If is "What if character X was black and trans?"

 

[el bandito loco]

besides the fact what if has the single most offensively bad and downright disgusting and nausea inducing looking cg animation I've ever seen in my entire life (and I grew up on shit like beast wars), that's the reason I won't watch the show. It's not even really what if! it's ripping off the DC Elseworlds concept instead. which is an equally cool concept but decidedly not, fucking what if! The whole point of what if is literally just what if everything was the same, then something else happens.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Comic What If was a great exploration of alternative scenarios like "What if Logan didn't get picked up by Weapon X?" or "What if Gwen Stacy lived?".

MCU What If is "What if character X was black and trans?"

In the end it doesn't really matter since What Ifs are always the same three conclusions:
* Character remains a hero in some way.
* Character turns evil/anti hero.
* Character remains normal person.

There's nothing interesting in any of those besides novelty of a character being slightly different.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Multiverse in films has went through the same issues in comics - It's really gay and lazy once the novelty wears off. Either it's some reference only neckbeards would understand, something "wacky" that is based on a singular joke, or switch around hero identities.

Potentially you can do interesting introspection of a character's actions, but it's always shown that anything that isn't status quo is objectively wrong and evil. So even that's not a factor.

This is what I like about the Spider-Verse movies. Despite all the various Spider-People having different backstories, they all still share a sense of justice and understand the great power, great responsibility crap. It's deconstructed in Across the Spider-Verse with the Canon Event theory, a clear allegory for how often Marvel believes Spider-Man needs to suffer for the status quo. The multiverse is only a backdrop for the story where these characters can interact with each other. The issue is that for the past seven years, everyone in Hollywood assumed that people only liked Into the Spider-Verse because of the multiverse stuff. It's the same way of thinking that doomed the Clone Saga all over again.

In the end it doesn't really matter since What Ifs are always the same three conclusions:
* Character remains a hero in some way.
* Character turns evil/anti hero.
* Character remains normal person.

There's nothing interesting in any of those besides novelty of a character being slightly different.

I'm actually working on a superhero story, and one idea I had for a plotline is specifically meant to be an antithesis to that idea. It involves the main character being transported to a universe where his mother (a firefighter who died of cancer) is still alive, one of his arch-enemies is a hero now... and he was never born. This causes him to wonder if he somehow made things worse in his universe, of if he's a worse hero than the heroic version of his arch-enemy. He eventually realizes that he shouldn't blame himself for every little thing that's gone wrong and that it doesn't make him a bad hero.