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Rumor has been over the last couple of years, that Sony wanted Toby McGuire to cameo as Ben Parker. Hence them not showing him because they were leveraging hard the idea that instead of multiverse stuff, they could stick McGuire in that way to the new movies as a wink-wink nod to the original trilogy.
I honestly was wondering why Uncle Ben wasn’t talked about at all besides that one bit in Civil War where Peter was implying about him but not actually saying his name.
Aunt May’s gravestone being by itself as well as that whole subplot with Happy made me wonder if he even existed at all in the MCU.
Granted, it’s been a while since I last watched any of the previous films, so maybe I’m forgetting?
There's a theory going around that It's right there next to May's, just off-camera. The inscription on May's gravestone reads "If you help someone, you help everyone" which is the exact phrasing used on May's grave in Spider-Man PS4. You can visit that grave and Ben's is right next to it. If he's gonna appear in person anywhere, it'll be Freshman Year at this point. Even if it's not the case, we know he's existed in the MCU since Peter's suitcase in Far From Home has his initials on it.
There's a theory going around that It's right there next to May's, just off-camera. The inscription on May's gravestone reads "If you help someone, you help everyone" which is the exact phrasing used on May's grave in Spider-Man PS4. You can visit that grave and Ben's is right next to it. If he's gonna appear in person anywhere, it'll be Freshman Year at this point. Even if it's not the case, we know he's existed in the MCU since Peter's suitcase in Far From Home has his initials on it.
Yeah I feel that Ben's presence is in the MCU Spider-Man films but is never acknowledged for whatever reason. Like even in No Way Home, MCU!Spider-Man immediately understood the others due to them mentioning Ben.
I've never been a comic guy and from what I've seen of the MCU that isn't going to change any time soon but with that being said, it was pretty good but Spiderman is one of the superheros that I do like.
The secret to Spidey's success is his similarities with Batman, like Batman being Bruce Wayne is also wish fulfillment, being a billionaire playboy, Peter Parker may not be rich, but he's a nerd that's done good, has a hot girlfriend, is talented, he would be going places in life even if he never got bit by a special spider.
Contrast that with Superman, who fantasizes about being Clark Kent? Or other superheroes where the secret identity is a total non-entity, by making the man behind the mask as interesting as the superhero, that makes the whole thing overall a lot more interesting.
But also like Bruce Wayne, Peter Parker became a superhero because of personal tragedy, which makes the character a lot sympathetic and resonate on more of an emotional level, we may not understand what it's like to be a superhero, but everyone can understand the grief of losing a loved one.
I honestly was wondering why Uncle Ben wasn’t talked about at all besides that one bit in Civil War where Peter was implying about him but not actually saying his name.
Aunt May’s gravestone being by itself as well as that whole subplot with Happy made me wonder if he even existed at all in the MCU.
Granted, it’s been a while since I last watched any of the previous films, so maybe I’m forgetting?
The vagueness surrounding Ben Parker in the MCU is one thing that does bother me, all we need is a quick flashback or at least some acknowledgment of his existence like the PS4 game does it, which doesn't depict the events directly but we see a photo of Ben Parker and can at least piece it together.
There's a theory going around that It's right there next to May's, just off-camera. The inscription on May's gravestone reads "If you help someone, you help everyone" which is the exact phrasing used on May's grave in Spider-Man PS4. You can visit that grave and Ben's is right next to it. If he's gonna appear in person anywhere, it'll be Freshman Year at this point. Even if it's not the case, we know he's existed in the MCU since Peter's suitcase in Far From Home has his initials on it.
I completely agree with this. I mentioned that he just fucked off even though he was cured and I don't understand why if he wants to help Peter and Norman, it made no sense.
Posted this in the other thread, but it may be important to the future of the MCU as a whole. Vincent D'Onofrio has confirmed that the Kingpin from Hawkeye is the same character from Netflix's Daredevil.
There's a theory going around that It's right there next to May's, just off-camera. The inscription on May's gravestone reads "If you help someone, you help everyone" which is the exact phrasing used on May's grave in Spider-Man PS4. You can visit that grave and Ben's is right next to it. If he's gonna appear in person anywhere, it'll be Freshman Year at this point. Even if it's not the case, we know he's existed in the MCU since Peter's suitcase in Far From Home has his initials on it.
Yeah I feel that Ben's presence is in the MCU Spider-Man films but is never acknowledged for whatever reason. Like even in No Way Home, MCU!Spider-Man immediately understood the others due to them mentioning Ben.
Watch as they address the Uncle Ben situation in the next movie, but have it tie in with the future MCU films with Spider-Man going:
“I miss you Uncle Ben”
If it was JUST Spider-Man, it wouldn’t be too good of an argument, because no fucking shit a super hyped-up Spider-Man movie is going to get people into theatres, Covid or not.
But fucking Venom 2 performed better than the first movie. Who the fuck gives a shit about Venom 2?
That’s all the evidence you need that the shitty box office is like, 80% shit releases and 20% Covid.
If it was JUST Spider-Man, it wouldn’t be too good of an argument, because no fucking shit a super hyped-up Spider-Man movie is going to get people into theatres, Covid or not.
But fucking Venom 2 performed better than the first movie. Who the fuck gives a shit about Venom 2?
That’s all the evidence you need that the shitty box office is like, 80% shit releases and 20% Covid.
Seriously eternals barely crossed 400 mill worldwide and will not hit 200 million stateside. At this point you have to wonder how badly anything post Dr strange 2 will do?
At this point, Spider-Man is just a money printer like Batman. You can just slap characters on a film and boom, here’s a million. Venom is also the most popular villain from Spidey, it makes sense that his film would be as big as something like Joker seeing as they are the top billing villains of the two most loved superheroes.
At this point, Spider-Man is just a money printer like Batman. You can just slap characters on a film and boom, here’s a million. Venom is also the most popular villain from Spidey, it makes sense that his film would be as big as something like Joker seeing as they are the top billing villains of the two most loved superheroes.
Spiderman is loved since he could be anyone, he's an awkward nerdy kid who's childhood wasn't perfect, being raised by his aunt and uncle. He feels real to most people; he could be you or someone you know. I loved seeing Tobey and Andrew, Spidey was always my favorite Marvel comic superhero, and Raimi was great at putting him on film. The other directors were meh but seeing them all together was fantastic.
If a protagonist is relatable in a MCU film of course you can barely have a plot and still make bank. Scorsese is right about these movies but sometimes you just want to have fun seeing a film.
Spiderman is loved since he could be anyone, he's an awkward nerdy kid who's childhood wasn't perfect, being raised by his aunt and uncle. He feels real to most people; he could be you or someone you know. I loved seeing Tobey and Andrew, Spidey was always my favorite Marvel comic superhero, and Raimi was great at putting him on film. The other directors were meh but seeing them all together was fantastic.
If a protagonist is relatable in a MCU film of course you can barely have a plot and still make bank. Scorsese is right about these movies but sometimes you just want to have fun seeing a film.
Spider-Man is probably the best superhero for that reason.
My personal favorite is Batman, but what makes Batman Batman isn't just Batman, but the whole world of Gotham city and his rogues gallery, if Batman was just a guy running around NYC without villains as iconic as Joker, he'd be a lot less interesting since he's not as relatable, just taken as the character alone, Spider-Man is probably the best.
Spiderman is loved since he could be anyone, he's an awkward nerdy kid who's childhood wasn't perfect, being raised by his aunt and uncle. He feels real to most people; he could be you or someone you know. I loved seeing Tobey and Andrew, Spidey was always my favorite Marvel comic superhero, and Raimi was great at putting him on film. The other directors were meh but seeing them all together was fantastic.
If a protagonist is relatable in a MCU film of course you can barely have a plot and still make bank. Scorsese is right about these movies but sometimes you just want to have fun seeing a film.
I think there is more to him than that though. Him and Batman have always been the most “real” superheroes, probably because their stories are more-or-less deconstructions of the character and superheroes. Both are very fundamentally flawed heroes, and not in the trying to be relatable Marvel way where ohhhh…Iron Man is an alcoholic, isn’t that relatable. Spider-Man constantly has his private and public lives collide. Fighting a villain has consequences when trying to date MJ. Some of the best Spider-Man stories highlight the two worlds colliding. Take PS4 Spidey where Peter’s private life takes his attention away from his idol Otto. In the process Otto rushes things and goes insane, becoming the villain of the game and causing great emotional grief on Peter.
Peter being Spider-Man is not seen as a good thing, or power fantasy like @Dom Cruise would suggest. It is seen as an inhibitor to his normal life that he would be better off without, and that angle honestly makes it fascinating.
Batman has much the same thing going on. Batman is no power fantasy, the best stories really highlight how utterly insane he is. He is a depressed loner with a plethora of issues choosing to fight villains in a mask rather than control his grief. In many ways, he is no different than the Joker, it is simply a line that divides them. One murder by Batman could easily drag him to the other side, which really highlights how insane he truly is and why he makes such baffling decisions such as no killing. I believe the line from Young Justice really cements this:
My personal favorite is Batman, but what makes Batman Batman isn't just Batman, but the whole world of Gotham city and his rogues gallery, if Batman was just a guy running around NYC without villains as iconic as Joker, he'd be a lot less interesting since he's not as relatable, just taken as the character alone, Spider-Man is probably the best.
Both Spidey and Bats really rely on great villains. I believe both have tons that are very personal to the hero, along with many having very human goals and mannerisms. None of the big villains really come off like the Dark Elves, where they are boring husks for the hero to stomp on. I believe Doc Ock (Spider-Man 2 and PS4) and Mr. Freeze (TAS and Arkham) both highlight how human these villains can be. They are men that lost everything and took to crime to fix their lives after being wronged. Both are obviously selfish assholes, but you get a lot of moments of them showing genuine care for others and the hero to the point where you do want them to have some happy ending. No other hero really hits the feels in their villains quite like Bats and Spidey.
