Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Doctor of Autism]

Alright I saw NWH a few days ago, and I'll admit I really liked it. Course, I feel like it would have MORE impact if I saw the previous Spiderman's.
Granted, I just binged the OG trilogy during christmas and I had a good time with it tbh. But out of curiosity, is it worth it to see the AMAZING Spiderman or should I just avoid it? I am legit curious since I've never seen them and I was wondering if it's worth my time tbh.

This is a very off the walls and random moment but my fave NWH scene was probably the part where Norman is in the back shoving doughnuts in his pockets. I could pick ANY OTHER SCENE I know but I really liked that one cause it was just fucking weird.

The First Amazing Spider-Man is a decent movie, not the best or worst Spider-Man film. As for it's sequel, it's not really worth it unless you're watching it just to laugh at it since it's really bad due to Kurtzman's writing and Sony desperately using it as a way to start their own cinematic universe that it is pretty much stuffed.

Honestly? Mysterio or Harry Osborn.
Yea yea "Mysterio's dead" but I still think he could come back. I was told he fakes his death often in the comics so Mysterio coming back in the 4th film could possibly work. I personally don't think he's dead, if anything i'm just really confused about this:

Spoiler: NWH Spoiler / possible plot hole????

Ok so if EVERYONE forgot who Peter Parker is, what the fuck does that make for Myserio's message? That whole thing was exposing peter parker cause Spiderman killed Mysterio so like does the public remember what happened to Mysterio or was he wiped from everyone's memory too or??

This is probably hyper fixation speaking, but Harry would be pretty cool in the 4th film. I dunno how we'd do it, but i'd be down to see it. Not a fan of everyone advocating for Timothy Shallot dude to be Harry with Holland's influence but go off I guess. I personally can't see that dude as Harry, it doesn't feel right.

Harry probably wouldn't work since the Osborns don't exist in the MCU though he could have a different last name instead.

Spoiler: NWH Spoiler

With the ending, it's possible that all previous things that show Peter Parker don't exist or traces of him don't. Like they still have awareness of Spider-Man helping out Aunt May and the final fight happening. As for that, it's likely that Mysterio just tried to frame Spider-Man as a murderer too if previous footage was looked at since Strange's spell would be useless if it didn't alter previous footage or documents.

 

[starborn427614]

Alright I saw NWH a few days ago, and I'll admit I really liked it. Course, I feel like it would have MORE impact if I saw the previous Spiderman's.
Granted, I just binged the OG trilogy during christmas and I had a good time with it tbh. But out of curiosity, is it worth it to see the AMAZING Spiderman or should I just avoid it? I am legit curious since I've never seen them and I was wondering if it's worth my time tbh.

This is a very off the walls and random moment but my fave NWH scene was probably the part where Norman is in the back shoving doughnuts in his pockets. I could pick ANY OTHER SCENE I know but I really liked that one cause it was just fucking weird.


Honestly? Mysterio or Harry Osborn.
Yea yea "Mysterio's dead" but I still think he could come back. I was told he fakes his death often in the comics so Mysterio coming back in the 4th film could possibly work. I personally don't think he's dead, if anything i'm just really confused about this:

Spoiler: NWH Spoiler / possible plot hole????

Ok so if EVERYONE forgot who Peter Parker is, what the fuck does that make for Myserio's message? That whole thing was exposing peter parker cause Spiderman killed Mysterio so like does the public remember what happened to Mysterio or was he wiped from everyone's memory too or??

This is probably hyper fixation speaking, but Harry would be pretty cool in the 4th film. I dunno how we'd do it, but i'd be down to see it. Not a fan of everyone advocating for Timothy Shallot dude to be Harry with Holland's influence but go off I guess. I personally can't see that dude as Harry, it doesn't feel right.

If it's related to Peter Parker then it's gone, so Mysterio may or may not be alive right now. Vulture's forgotten about him at least we know that much.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

I'm wondering what they're going to be doing with Morbius. The trailer attached to NWH showed Michael Keaton, so it's the same universe, but then we the have end credits scene that showed some symbiote getting left behind so I think we have a couple of options right now but they might decide to something different than another Venom story and I don't know Morbius's role in the comics.

None of that plan makes sense, unless both the Keaton thing and Spider-Man poster in the ally were misdirects. A lot of people assumed this was going to end with Peter getting sucked into a different dimension to save everyone, and his "new" world was going to be the Sonyverse going forward. That's not happening now so idk what the fuck they're going to do there, unless the entire plan is to treat the Villains-verse as entirely "street level".

That said I never expected much from Sony in the first place so even if they botch it, I guess it's not going to be a huge shake up either.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

None of that plan makes sense, unless both the Keaton thing and Spider-Man poster in the ally were misdirects. A lot of people assumed this was going to end with Peter getting sucked into a different dimension to save everyone, and his "new" world was going to be the Sonyverse going forward. That's not happening now so idk what the fuck they're going to do there, unless the entire plan is to treat the Villains-verse as entirely "street level".

That said I never expected much from Sony in the first place so even if they botch it, I guess it's not going to be a huge shake up either.

I mean Sony is literally run by retards who kept trying to launch their own cinematic universe and fucked up the visions of their own directors. I still remember the leaks where they tried to even think that ideas like Jonah Hill as Sandman would be good casting (hell for Spider-Man 1 they wanted Dicaprio to be Peter while Nicholas Cage was considered for Goblin before Dafoe insisted on the role).

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

I mean Sony is literally run by retards who kept trying to launch their own cinematic universe and fucked up the visions of their own directors. I still remember the leaks where they tried to even think that ideas like Jonah Hill as Sandman would be good casting (hell for Spider-Man 1 they wanted Dicaprio to be Peter while Nicholas Cage was considered for Goblin before Dafoe insisted on the role).

What, you didn't think each member of the Parker family being given a "spy thriller" movie where none of them have powers sounds like a good idea?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

What, you didn't think each member of the Parker family being given a "spy thriller" movie where none of them have powers sounds like a good idea?

Sorry but I preferred the idea of the Sinister Six just being like the Suicide Squad and fighting a cosmic threat

 

[Overcast]

Alright I saw NWH a few days ago, and I'll admit I really liked it. Course, I feel like it would have MORE impact if I saw the previous Spiderman's.
Granted, I just binged the OG trilogy during christmas and I had a good time with it tbh. But out of curiosity, is it worth it to see the AMAZING Spiderman or should I just avoid it? I am legit curious since I've never seen them and I was wondering if it's worth my time tbh.

First one was decent. Personally I thought Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone had pretty good chemistry and I felt their scenes were pretty cute.

Second one was kind of a flop. Although one small scene in NWH referenced the ending of that film in a way that was pretty effective.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

First one was decent. Personally I thought Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone had pretty good chemistry and I felt their scenes were pretty cute.

Second one was kind of a flop. Although one small scene in NWH referenced the ending of that film in a way that was pretty effective.

I always thought that first ASM got a bum rap. Being compared to 'Twilight' at the height of all that faggotry didn't help.

2 was legit horseshit, though.

 

[omori]

Watched it on Sunday and quite honestly the most fun I’ve had watching a movie in a really long time. I know people like to shit on others for clapping mid movie, but I felt like the applause was really earned for this one.

Seeing the Raimi actors performing their roles again was such a delight and put so much more personal stakes into a sideplot MCU movie. I’d nearly forgotten how brutal Goblin fight scenes were.

I’m no fan of the Webb Spiderman movies but it was really satisfying to see that series’ characters be a bit more polished and have a bit of closure.

The interaction between the three Spidermen felt really natural and it really wouldnt surprise me if their dialogue was off script and taken from the actor’s off screen chatting.

 

[cactus]

None of that plan makes sense, unless both the Keaton thing and Spider-Man poster in the ally were misdirects. A lot of people assumed this was going to end with Peter getting sucked into a different dimension to save everyone, and his "new" world was going to be the Sonyverse going forward. That's not happening now so idk what the fuck they're going to do there, unless the entire plan is to treat the Villains-verse as entirely "street level".

That said I never expected much from Sony in the first place so even if they botch it, I guess it's not going to be a huge shake up either.

Well, whatever Sony does with SM, if they want to still be part of the MCU, Disney still has to be involved. It's possible that they just want Morbius in the same universe, but not necessarily interact with anyone outside of SM and what other characters they own. I'm just worried about Morbius being good, since January is known as the month that movies go to die and it looks like a partial horror movie on top of that.

 

[anti SJW]

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Fuck you guys, you actually made me come to the film with expectations, and it was extremely underwhelming. The villains and heroes from previous series were the sole good points about the film, but Marvel needing to steal characters because their own characters are so shit is a good indicator of how bad it's gotten. It's like a crossover where you like everyone except the og characters that make up 90% of the storyline.

Anyways long MOTI synopsis rant incoming, but I'll try not to say the things mentioned a billion times like how MJ is insufferable and the comedy is the same shit marvel did the last decade. The tl;dr is that Spiderverse did the multiple universe better, had better cast and has been a better "unofficial ending" for the Tobey Maguire saga (who really aged poorly). The only big achievement is that it redeems the Amazing series (ironically Andrew Garfield looks far more the part now than in his own series, while Toby really aged badly and reminds me of Tony Hawk for some reason).

Spoiler: I won't blame you if your read it in a MauLer voice

The film opened on the big revelation that Peter is Spiderman, which has the effect of him being hounded by the media and being held by the FBI (called something else for some reason). Nothing comes from the latter (you'd put Peter would be put in jail/juvenile detention center for reckless endangement or be forced into multiple lawsuits for damages) and the former is immediately solved by Peter moving into a new safe house. But the real catastrophe comes when Peter and his buddies don't get allowed into their wanted top scoring university! Like holy shit, talk about small issues, you couldn't make the cast more unrelatable if you tried, don't you think death threats and stalking being a far bigger issue? Also Peter builds a lego death star because REMEMBER STAR WARS?

I don't remember when it was exactly in the film, but Peter has a moment where he talks with MJ about how tiring it was to have a double life and it's just ridiculous since Peter could always have just walked out of the superhero business without anything happening. The writers somehow forgot that there's nothing forcing Peter to be Spiderman besides his past, and considering events that will happen there is no past to justify it.

So Peter does the logical thing of going to Dr. Strange to reverse time, you know, like nothing bad can happen from this. Instead he gets the much more sensible spell that makes everyone forget Peter is Spiderman (how does it even work considering there are physical records?). The spell fails because everyone's iq dropped and couldn't wait 5 minutes to think about how they wanted to go through a massive undertaking. The spell fails and brings the heroes and villains from the previous series. Whatever, we have a justification for multiverse shit now.

So Spiderman pretty effortlessly captures the sinister six (we can't possibly have high stakes), including a scene of Spiderman fighting Doc Ock on a bridge and going through ludicrous amount of damage. This in general is a pretty big problem in the fight scenes in the film, where people take insane amount of damage without issue, and everything is made of fucking styrofoam, including literally concrete floor. After finishing the cleanup he finds out every one of the villains teleported before his death (except Sandman who's very much a non-entity in the film and only there to add big cgi moments) and that Strange has a magic button that on pressing it will restore everyone to their dimension only to get immediately killed.

Upon finding it out Spiderman fights Dr. Strange in an actually alright fight scene, that ends extremely shitty with a literal "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE". Peter wins, strands Strange in potential hell dimension and goes to "fix" the villains, who were really misunderstood all along, you guys. This has couple of problems: One, won't the villains just go back to their time and immediately get killed anyways? Two, won't this massively change the other timeline? Strange seems to verify that they are from different times and just "the same dimension just 5 years backward". Three, most of those people killed several people and do not deserve any sympathy in any way, and are a danger to others. But Peter goes on with it, he fixes Doc Ock in a day, but get betrayed by the rest of their team. Before going on, fuck this bullshit movie science of fixing everything in 5 hours, it just makes the whole conflict of past series pointless because mary sue Spidey can just fix everything with his magic science powers.

So Peter gets betrayed and Aunt May dies. Before dying she says "with great power comes great responsibility" and that's the absolute worst moment of the film. Besides the tiring case of moving important lines to women, because they can't possibly stand on their own writing, it makes zero sense. The original line worked because Peter was selfish with his power and this got his family killed. But mary sue Spiderman has literally just done the right thing, got his family killed for it, and is told to double down with risking others to save criminals.

You'd think at this point MJ will push the button to return the villains to their dimension considering May is dead, Peter is missing and every moment the villains are out they can potentially hurt others. But nope, because plot. MJ finds the two other Spideys and they hatch a plan to save all the villains, because real heroes save murderers rather than protect innocents. They plan to do it on the statue of liberty, that currently has a Cap shield mounted on it. Which besides being cringe as hell, is the funny case where consoomers come off based considering the statue that supposedly welcomes immigrants now has a fucking shield to protect from incoming invaders.

Big cgi fight insues where people might as well teleport around. Every villains is saved, nobody dies and Peter is forced to make everyone forget his existence to protect the universe. ie, "The Madoka ending" that keeps being overused (and once again how does it work?). He tried to reignite things with MJ but because she has a fucking bandaid on her he gives up on love (fucking really? couldn't you give her a burn/scar/limp that actually has some long term consequences? It's like in anime where a girl has a tiny scratch and says her face is ruined forever). Peter, for once in his life, needs to stand on his own two feet, makes his own costume and jumps through the sky (not before showing a Palpatine lego figure because REMEMBER STAR WARS?) and that's the end.

Moral of the story, we should reform criminals despite them murdering your gradma and that's easy because science.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

My friend finally dragged me kicking and screaming to go see it. It was fun, the theater experience was far worse than the movie and I really wish he just would have fucking waited until it was on streaming or just pirated it.

But yeah, fun, but the internal logic of the movie is all over the place. They come through because they know Peter is Spider-Man, but Electro is surprised to learn Spider-Man is white? Venom comes through even though he doesn't even have a Spider-Man (or minimum hasn't met) in his Universe?

If there are infinite amounts of people who know Peter is Spider-Man, does that mean infinite amounts of people needed to forget Spider-Man so they wouldn't destroy the MCU universe? Does that mean MJ doesn't know Toby is Spider-Man now? Does this mean 616 didn't need to ever make a deal with the devil?

Oh well, a wizard did it so who cares?

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Alright I saw NWH a few days ago, and I'll admit I really liked it. Course, I feel like it would have MORE impact if I saw the previous Spiderman's.
Granted, I just binged the OG trilogy during christmas and I had a good time with it tbh. But out of curiosity, is it worth it to see the AMAZING Spiderman or should I just avoid it? I am legit curious since I've never seen them and I was wondering if it's worth my time tbh.

The Amazing Spider-Man movies are still garbage. However, because I sat through them several years ago, I feel like Spider-Man: No Way Home actually rewarded me for having sat through them. Turns out they weren't a complete waste of my time afterall, lol. I say that if you choose to watch them based on how much you loved Andrew Garfield in No Way Home, then you absolutely need to manage your expectations. No Way Home is undoubtedly Garfield's best performance as Spider-Man/Peter Parker.

Never thought I'd say this, though: After seeing No Way Home, I am 100% down for The Amazing Spider-Man 3 as long as there's an entirely different team of writers and a different director. Andrew Garfield totally deserves another chance, and I'm saying this as someone who has been hating on him since the first Amazing Spider-Man movie came out almost 10 years ago. After seeing No Way Home, it's clear as day that The Amazing Spider-Man movies were not Garfield's fault.

Also, if you're familiar with Alex Kurtzman and Robert Orci and how they are among the absolute worst writers in Hollywood, then you need this warning: They wrote The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and it's legit one of the worst screenplays of any superhero movie, in my opinion. It's god awful.

 

[Captain Autism69]

Also, if you're familiar with Alex Kurtzman and Robert Orci and how they are among the absolute worst writers in Hollywood, then you need this warning: They wrote The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and it's legit one of the worst screenplays of any superhero movie, in my opinion. It's god awful.

Well that explains everything. Seriously, who's cock has Kurtzman been sucking? What dirt does he have on execs in Hollywood, or what strings did his daddy pull to allow him to continue popping up like a turd that won't flush? Everything he touches from Spiderman to Hannibal, to Star Trek is trash.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

I must be the only one who liked the Amazing movies, especially the second one. (Peak Emma Stone > everyone else.) My biggest gripe was redoing the origin story, which I don't think the series ever recovered from, and using Green Goblin so soon.

Well that explains everything. Seriously, who's cock has Kurtzman been sucking? What dirt does he have on execs in Hollywood, or what strings did his daddy pull to allow him to continue popping up like a turd that won't flush? Everything he touches from Spiderman to Hannibal, to Star Trek is trash.

From what I've read, the Abrams crew gets so much work because they kiss studio ass. If a suit has a really dumb idea, they immediately put it in the script no questions asked. "Magic blood? What a great idea, sir!"

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Thinking more about the film. I think I found what the one biggest annoyance for me about it. While I still think that the film fails on most accounts (boring fight scenes, unlikable main cast, terrible plot, terrible moral, overreliance on references and blatant Disney advertising. And I didn't even mention the tonal dissonance in my rant) the biggest problem is that it's infantile.
Yeah I know that Marvel films are made primarily for 30-40 year old manchildren, but at least the first Marvel films had some characters that were fuck ups or had character developement. Modern Disney barely does it, and the current Spiderman might be the most mary sue character in their arsenal, that everybody likes and gets shit for free for being so awesome. Besides that, none of the characters ever develop, all the villains are just misunderstood and in the end it's possible to help them easily by plot convenience.
The problem is that it's no longer Disney's IP but past installments that get infantalized, every villain was only evil because what gave him superpowers and once that solves he immediately turns good. So you took iconic characters that you see how they descend into madness (sometimes irregardless of the changes they went through) and basically retcon them into flat "he was only evil because X". And that's the slap in the face that really angers me - Not only taking works that more talented people made, but reducing them to make them fit the worldview of a 5 year old.

Also the "final boss" villain being a past character is just bad writing since there is no emotional weight if the guy knew that person for barely a day. Since Marvel already strong armed Sony for Venom rights why not make it so the villain is an evil Tom Holland with the Venom suit? It would make the final fight at least more poignant than a 20 year old looking dude beating up a 60 year old man.

Edit: Something I realized, ironically at the end of the film Peter doesn't have any responsibility. His aunt is dead, everyone who knew him forgot about him, he has no obligation to anyone.

 

[Product Placement]

I mean Sony is literally run by retards who kept trying to launch their own cinematic universe and fucked up the visions of their own directors. I still remember the leaks where they tried to even think that ideas like Jonah Hill as Sandman would be good casting (hell for Spider-Man 1 they wanted Dicaprio to be Peter while Nicholas Cage was considered for Goblin before Dafoe insisted on the role).

It was Tom Hardy for Sandman in a Sinister Six spin-off. and plan for a team-up movie against some space alien from Marvel that Sony had the rights to. Also, an Aunt May spy movie was planned from those leaks.

Since the leaks, Sony Picture is now run by Tom Rothman who did fuck up X Men during his time at Fox but is still far better than Amy Pascal who not only made shitty movies but lost Sony lots of money in doing so.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

It was Tom Hardy for Sandman in a Sinister Six spin-off. and plan for a team-up movie against some space alien from Marvel that Sony had the rights to. Also, an Aunt May spy movie was planned from those leaks.

Since the leaks, Sony Picture is now run by Tom Rothman who did fuck up X Men during his time at Fox but is still far better than Amy Pascal who not only made shitty movies but lost Sony lots of money in doing so.

I mean anyone can run Sony better than Pascal, except for Avi Arad who should have a major ban from being involved in any Spider-Man project

 

[Product Placement]

I mean anyone can run Sony better than Pascal, except for Avi Arad who should have a major ban from being involved in any Spider-Man project

It really is shocking how bad she was, Pretty much every movie under her had a crazy budget, I mean new Spiderman movie cost $200million while under her ASM2 cost nearly $100 million more somehow.

Avi Arad has moved onto video games and is producing the Uncharted and Borderland movies. Also from the leaks, he tried to get the movie rights to Mario and Pokemon for Sony which he failed to do.