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I've never been a comic guy and from what I've seen of the MCU that isn't going to change any time soon but with that being said, it was pretty good but Spiderman is one of the superheros that I do like.

The worst part of the MCU Spiderman films is the MCU part. Spiderman hasn't really felt like his own thing which is something this film feels like a direct response to. Toby and Garfield were great with Garfield and Defoe's performances standing out. Even Holland was doing good work here mostly owing to him having more to do other than "plucky comic relief pop culture reference Iron man sidekick" guy. It's still too long and the cgi was just as bad as the rest of them but that's just part of being a MCU film.

I'm just happy that they seem to be scaling back a bit and giving the character some breathing room. What I want to see going forward is the typical Peter Parker story. No more purple space monsters of anything like and keep the whole multidimensional universe thing away from Spiderman. Just have him do his own thing.

Hopefully they aren't going to shove all the Spiderman clones into the upcoming films. I'm out the moment I see Miles or any o the others show up.
 
Saw No Way Home last night. I was honestly surprised at how much I ended up liking it. Although I could be biased seeing as how I grew up with the Sam Reimi films.

All the little interactions and conversations between all these different characters made me smile. Like how Tobey Maquire Peter and Doc Ock met again and the latter goes "You're all grown up!"

I also love the bit between Tobey and Andrew about the whole self talk thing. Looking back, I really do think Andrew gets kind of a bad rap. Sure, the Amazing Spider-Man films were very flawed, but that wasn't his fault. Even the best of actors can only do so much with the script they're given.

And I was honestly pretty saddened by the ending. But, it was definitely the most logical as well as thematic way of ending things with Holland's Spider-Man.

Him erasing everyone's memories of not just his secret identity, but also any memory of his existence was most definitely a Spider-Man thing to do. I think one of the things that always kinda felt a bit off to me about him was how so many characters knew about who he was. Which is something I mostly accepted seeing as the major characters in the MCU were on a first name basis anyway. But it was pretty great seeing the ramifications of everyone finding out about Spider-Man and his attempts of having his cake and eat it too blow up in his face.

Him rendering himself completely and utterly alone in more ways than one for the sake of those he loves but still having the resolve to keep being Spider-Man is pretty much what Spider-Man is all about, and I'm happy to see the writers of this film understood that.

Kinda sucks that Venom didn't make a proper appearance in the film. But I suppose it was for the best. The movie was already pretty long and adding him in would have made it a bit bloated. Least there was the mid-credits scene which was pretty funny.

"Hulk?"

"And you were telling me *Lethal Protector* was a stupid name!"

Seeing how good this movie was reminded me of why I got into the MCU in the first place and really makes Shang Chi and The Eternals stick out that much more as terrible films. What brought me and so many others into the MCU was how passionate and detail oriented the people behind them were, but somewhere down the line, they brought in people who had no business making these kinds of films and instead used them as tools to push a political agenda whilst relying too much on the most superficial aspects of the films.
 
I was genuinely worried they were going to retcon Doc Ock's redemption from Spiderman 2. I'm so happy they didn't. The Raimi Films are very dear to me (even the awful meme magnet that is Spiderman 3), so I was glad to see that they were treated with respect. The last thing I wanted was another HURRR KILL THE PAST!!11 narrative from Hollywood.
 
Muttnik dijo:
I was genuinely worried they were going to retcon Doc Ock's redemption from Spiderman 2. I'm so happy they didn't. The Raimi Films are very dear to me (even the awful meme magnet that is Spiderman 3), so I was glad to see that they were treated with respect. The last thing I wanted was another HURRR KILL THE PAST!!11 narrative from Hollywood.
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"You're all grown up" definitely got me. That clearly wasn't just aimed at Peter.
 
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If this movie highlighted anything, it is that the Raimi films had the best villains.

DeFoe and Molina killed it again. It was like no time had passed since the last time they played these characters.
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Dafoe was super high energy and pulled some batshit bonkers faces. It was great. Molina classed up the movie perfectly as well. I commend both actors for both having fun and clearly caring about the characters.
 
Dafoe killed it. In SM 1 he was a fun villain to watch, but here, he was the genuine arch-enemy to spiderman because the more serious tone of the film allowed his goblin to go all in.

Overall the new movie was ok, with the second half being something special, one of the problems I had with the spiderman films after Raimi's was their worlds don't feel "lived in", at the end of this one with the last few scenes with Tom it felt genuinely homely (pun not intended) and for once I am genuine-looking forward to seeing what will they do now with Spiderman.
 
RumblyTumbly dijo:
If this movie highlighted anything, it is that the Raimi films had the best villains.

DeFoe and Molina killed it again. It was like no time had passed since the last time they played these characters.
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Dafoe in particular somehow managed to feel like a really personally threat to Holland Spider-Man which was really great since my one concern going in was how any of these villains would feel personal to the MCU Spider-Man and they delivered by making Goblin feel really personal
 
What separates Spider-Man: No Way Home from a large chunk of the other MCU movies for me:

1. Great villains.

2. A fucking fantastic third act.

3. The movie knew when to say a joke, and when not to. The serious moments were allowed to be wholly serious.

4. The movie also knew when to tell the "shared universe" of the MCU to fuck off. The use of Doctor Strange in this movie was really well-done (especially considering he is another Steve Ditko creation), and he wasn't there just to bait the audience about future MCU movies. Doctor Strange's part of the movie was to serve Spider-Man's story, not the MCU's overarching plot.

It's been about a day and a half since I walked out of that theater, and I'm still thinking about the movie-- all of it being positive thoughts. There's some people who have said things like "if you think about this movie, you can pick it apart," but can you really? While I still very much enjoy Avengers: Endgame, I immediately walked out of that theater loving it while also picking apart a lot of the stuff in it. lol. With Spider-Man: No Way Home? Yeah, not so much. I'm just praising it and still smiling about it. This is easily the best MCU offering since Infinity War.
 
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Its the nostalgia hype glasses 100%. Phase 4 has been nothing but absolute shit so far, this movie's plot is entirely built upon the premise that Dr. Strange is now a retard that is willing to bend the fabric of reality because a dumb kid he barely knows and his friends didnt get into college, also said dumb kid is a science prodigy that is so fucking stupid he doesnt even think about the implications of the "forget me" spell at all and keeps fucking around with it, but niggas see Maguire and they're taken back to 2002-2004, the absolute peak of superhero movies that is Spidey 1+2, which makes the movie look way better than it actually is. Hell, all the fanservice even got to me a little bit when Responsability Theme played for 10 secs during the final act.
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There's definitely still a lot novelty to seeing things from the 2000s getting follow ups for the first time since then, seeing Tobey back in action was a legit "wow" moment.
 
In regards to the complaints about Doctor Strange's eagerness to do the spell for Peter:

It's established in his very first scene in this movie that he doesn't run the Sanctum anymore because he was "blipped" for five years. He's not really part of any organization or team that gets to tell him what to do and vice-versa. The weight of the universe isn't so much on his shoulders right now, to say the least. He's just a lone wizard now, basically retired. Of course he'd be eager to do some magic again, given his personality.

Plus, Strange has been a pretty rebellious character throughout the MCU. Quite a few of his choices throughout the MCU have indeed been based on hubris and risk-taking. Example: Him surrendering the Time Stone to Thanos in Infinity War based on sheer probability/chance. I personally do not find it out of character for him to do what he did for Peter when considering all of this. Strange's pragmatism, to me, is a façade at times. And it certainly looks like that will be the case in The Multiverse of Madness too, as it looks like Strange will have gotten himself into some deep shit.

Also, in regards to the comments of "how could Peter not consider the consequences of the spell?!": The first twenty minutes of the movie were spent on how he's ruined the lives of his loved ones. If there's one thing that is consistent about Spider-Man, it's his guilt. That's always been a hallmark of his character. Plus, the choices Peter made at the beginning of the movie makes Peter's choices at the end of the movie more poignant as well, because his choices show that he's shown growth throughout the course of the movie. It's like he had an actual character arc, or something ...

Peter struggled at the beginning of the film at the thought of everyone forgetting his identity. He didn't want to lose his friends, his girlfriend, and his family, which isn't stupid; it's understandable. Peter's difficult choice at the end of the movie reuses the themes from Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2, and really drives it all home: "Sometimes we have to be steady and give up the thing we want the most ... Even our dreams." This movie was Peter's journey in getting to that point.

Given the setup of the first two Spidey MCU movies, a lot of things were handed to Peter with no real lasting consequences up until this movie. To me, it absolutely makes sense for this version of Peter Parker to initially think "Hey, I can just get Doctor Strange to fix all of this, no problem!"
 
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StarkRavingMad dijo:
What separates Spider-Man: No Way Home from a large chunk of the other MCU movies for me:

1. Great villains.

2. A fucking fantastic third act.

3. The movie knew when to say a joke, and when not to. The serious moments were allowed to be wholly serious.

4. The movie also knew when to tell the "shared universe" of the MCU to fuck off. The use of Doctor Strange in this movie was really well-done (especially considering he is another Steve Ditko creation), and he wasn't there just to bait the audience about future MCU movies. Doctor Strange's part of the movie was to serve Spider-Man's story, not the MCU's overarching plot.

It's been about a day and a half since I walked out of that theater, and I'm still thinking about the movie-- all of it being positive thoughts. There's some people who have said things like "if you think about this movie, you can pick it apart," but can you really? While I still very much enjoy Avengers: Endgame, I immediately walked out of that theater loving it while also picking apart a lot of the stuff in it. lol. With Spider-Man: No Way Home? Yeah, not so much. I'm just praising it and still smiling about it. This is easily the best MCU offering since Infinity War.
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I actually saw it yesterday, and I can wholeheartedly agree with you
 
StarkRavingMad dijo:
What separates Spider-Man: No Way Home from a large chunk of the other MCU movies for me:

1. Great villains.

2. A fucking fantastic third act.

3. The movie knew when to say a joke, and when not to. The serious moments were allowed to be wholly serious.

4. The movie also knew when to tell the "shared universe" of the MCU to fuck off. The use of Doctor Strange in this movie was really well-done (especially considering he is another Steve Ditko creation), and he wasn't there just to bait the audience about future MCU movies. Doctor Strange's part of the movie was to serve Spider-Man's story, not the MCU's overarching plot.

It's been about a day and a half since I walked out of that theater, and I'm still thinking about the movie-- all of it being positive thoughts. There's some people who have said things like "if you think about this movie, you can pick it apart," but can you really? While I still very much enjoy Avengers: Endgame, I immediately walked out of that theater loving it while also picking apart a lot of the stuff in it. lol. With Spider-Man: No Way Home? Yeah, not so much. I'm just praising it and still smiling about it. This is easily the best MCU offering since Infinity War.
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Tom's Spider-Man is quickly rising up the ranks for me thanks to NWH. I felt they were going in that direction ever since FFH but to see it actually play it and have him wind up where he did...well that's just faith being rewarded. I hope the next films hit the ground running.
 
Just finished watching this shit, must say I'm fucking tired with these type of films, fucking tired. That being said, I had fun with it and you know what? It felt like a Spider-Man story, during the production of this film I remember Holland confirming it was just going to be a Kraven story but someone must have thought that everything surrounding Holland's Parker just wasn't Spider-Man, like at all.

Liking this Iron Bitch direction is one thing, it just isn't the character and I find it stupid how MCU cucks just keep taking pride in how "accurate" their shit is when compared to the comics and give this shit a pass while other things get nitpicked to oblivion. Imagine if Batman was Booster Gold's bitch side kick, that's how it was and it was so preposterous because Spider-Man is and will forever be more popular and more valuable than Iron Man. At this point Iron Man needs RDJ to succeed plus the Avengers since they did such a nice job portraying his main villain but Spider-Man? Just like Supes and Batman, it doesn't rely on an actor and it can work and bring money even if Holland just thinks about it and quits tomorrow.

It was under Sony but Marvel Studios was allowed to work on these films and it truly felt like they did this Iron Boy shit like a petty cock measuring contest shit because it was so pathetic seeing how Spider-Man was being handled. Like trying to show Sony who's boss now.

But thankfully someone during production must have thought, fuck man, this just isn't Spider-Man anymore, let's fucking get rid of everything and get the toy box ready for someone capable. It truly felt like a comic run ending because when things get fucking messy you can always do a reset using any kind of cosmic, multiverse, magic means or fuck just pretend it didn't happen. That's one negative I can say about the film, it can lead to the main problem noobs have with comic books someday and that is things getting messier and things not having consequences and the last part is about to be seen because it wouldn't surprise me if nigga Mj and the fatass remember Peter 10 minutes into the next film. The way that last scene was shot with the autistic trio felt like it will lead to something plus Holland is dating Zendaya so you can expect one of them to bitch and moan about it if they aren't in the next film.

Dafoe was amazing, he was the main reason I watched it and Molina was great too. Tobey, I don't know, he kinda felt like just there while Andrew stole the show everytime cameras were on, I really didn't give a shit about Strange and the movie agreed with me. That last scene with Holland and his new suit was great, seems good things are on the way for the character but hopefully they don't learn the wrong lessons here because while it was cool, multiverse stories can get old really fucking fast. Just do a nice simple friendly neighborhood Spider-Man story. Been a while since we last had one.

By the way, it's hilarious how fucking stubborn is the person that doesn't want Holland's Peter to even mention Uncle Ben, both Tobey and Andrew mention him and Tom doesn't even care about it.
 
It should have been a mess by all rights. The contrived plot, half a dozen villains, 3 main hero's and the fact that the MCU Spiderman's story is was tied to like 5 films at this point. So it's amazing how well the film turned out considering what it is.

I really liked Holland here which was a surprise to me. I don't think he's a bad actor but his Spiderman has always been too 2d. Tobey was a bit hit and miss for me. He felt flat when just talking but did pick up when he put on the suit towards the end. Garfield was really good. He's character was left hanging at the ending of his movie and he was sort of redeemed here. I don't know if I what to see another Amazing Spiderman but I feel like this was a new being for the character. Molina was very strong in the beginning but underused. The rest were okay but were either absent for most of the film or were cgi monster men.

It meandered a bit at the start. They could have dropped the Feds from the film entirely and I think the Dr Strange being a big part of the start of the film was a mistake. They could've just tied the explanation for why everything went to shit into the Loki TV show or something. It could give Dr Strange a better reason for fucking off for most of the film. The main characters have the solution to the problem from the start was also a mistake imo. I know what they were going for but just trying to help the villains was more than enough to achieve that. They should have dropped Sandman from the film too. He had no reason to be there other than for a big set piece.

The best part of the film was Defoe. His fights were exactly what I want to see going forward, non of this overly choregraphed backflip shit, just two superhumans kicking shit out of each other. The whole scene in the apartment where Holland's spider sense kicks in and he fights Defoe through to the lobby where Defoe calls out both Holland and his aunt for being naïve and week and kills May was the by far the best part of the film.

I feel like the post May's death part was a bit rushed and could have used with more of Holland on his own.

The ending with the villains was too rushed and felt too much like fanservice for me. I would have kept the Foxx and Molina and left it at that. The ending was good overall. Dropping Hollands friends was the right choice for Peter Paker's story.

All in all a good movie but it really needed to be tightened in places.

There has been some speculation about the future films. People think the next villain will be Venom and a character like Black Cat will show up which is something I feel is a bit too much. I wouldn't mind a cameo for a future important character but I want the next films to be scaled black a lot and Venom feels more like a major villain for Spiderman.
 
Honestly one of the parts of the movie that made me kinda mad was really this in the credits

THE FILMMAKERS WOULD LIKE TO GRATEFULLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE ORIGINAL TRUE BELIEVER, AVI ARAD, WHOSE VISION LED THE WAY TO [BRING] THESE ICONIC CHARACTERS TO THE SCREEN.”
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Yeah no, Sam Raimi and Marc Webb did more for the other Spider-Men than Avi Arad who while he actually did help contribute, had actively fucked over all the theatrical Spider-Men with forcing Venom in Spider-Man 3 due to not liking Raimi's villain choices, tried to make the Amazing Spider-Man more of a bouncepad for a Cinematic Universe and even tried to make bullshit claims like it was tied to the Raimi Trilogy, and was partly responsible for why Uncle Ben wasn't discussed in the MCU.
 
I honestly was wondering why Uncle Ben wasn’t talked about at all besides that one bit in Civil War where Peter was implying about him but not actually saying his name.

Aunt May’s gravestone being by itself as well as that whole subplot with Happy made me wonder if he even existed at all in the MCU.

Granted, it’s been a while since I last watched any of the previous films, so maybe I’m forgetting?
 
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