Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Dom Cruise]

Spider-Man just took a massive dump on all of Marvel's Phase 4 movies, making more in one weekend than they did during their entire runs. Its only a matter of time before they (damage control shills) refer to Spider-Man as the first "post-covid" film, but considering that The Eternals just came out like a month ago, it wasn't covid keeping people from theaters, but how absolutely awful Eternals, Shang Chi and Black Widow were.

It's hilarious, a movie starring a woman, a movie starring an Asian, a movie starring an ultra diverse cast and it all gets a gigantic dump taken on it by a movie starring no less than 3 WHITE MEN.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

90% ON ROTTEN TOMATOES 9.0/10 ON IMDB 100% ON THE MOIST METER

Is No Way Home really that good? I’ve never seen it but that amount of praise seems excessive.

My friend saw it and basically said it was a lot of fun, but it's hardly a masterpiece or anything.

Nostalgia and Spider-Man is a hell of a combo

 

[Gar For Archer]

My friend saw it and basically said it was a lot of fun, but it's hardly a masterpiece or anything.

Nostalgia and Spider-Man is a hell of a combo

Yeah, as someone who utterly despises multiverse bullshit and has no nostalgia for the old Spider-Man movies, this was an easy pass.

 

[Max Doof]

I just had a blast. I wasn't spoiled, so there was so much that I just really enjoyed, despite the attempts by interviewers and the like to force the actors into giving away too much. I didn't know they were going to bring back all the villians (except Venom and the two Harry Osborns), so when Jamie Foxx turned up in the 'no spoilers' that ran before the film, I was pleased to see we got a pretty damn close Sinister Six. But there was so much I liked. I enjoyed Daredevil turning up. I loved all three Peters together - but then Into the Spiderverse was a pure delight and this was a live action version of that. May's death hit hard because she's been the only other constant, and while I should have expected the switcheroo I didn't. I liked Doc Ock's redemption, because he was always the one who was least about being evil and more operating out of grief and despair. Lizard and Sandman got lost in the shuffle a bit, but getting crazy Willem Defoe back was a good replacement.

And of course there's all sorts of questions that can be asked that can be handwaved by 'well only a few slipped in' - so that's why no other MJs, for example. Out of the theatre, though, I now wonder what it means for the respective timelines that have changed because most of these characters are alive. The big one of course is Norman, considering how directly that leads to that Harry going nuts as well - but they were clearly taken from different points in the same universe's timelines, which has to fuck things up. They didn't have time, but imagine if they'd brought back Gwen and her Dad from the Amazing movies, and sending them back would mean sending them back to die. Or even a meet-up of surviving Mays. But they made a big point about how time travel fucks with the universe, so they've just fucked with the timelines of two other universes.

Also, I kept forgetting they got Rhys Ifans to play the Lizard in the Amazing film, so was half-expecting Dylan Baker instead.

But there were just so many bits I loved, and when all three of them were together I had a great time. Andrew Garfield especially was having a lot of fun, and the moment when his Peter got to save MCU's MJ really got me.

Basically, I got what I wanted out of it and then some, and the callbacks, references and reappearances really worked for me. The audience applauded several times during the film, when I saw it.

I'm assuming for how the redeemed villians work is that this movie maybe following endgame logic/ whatever loki did where time isn't linear and a small change just creates an altered universe with these redeemed characters but the plots of the Webb and Raimi films still happened the way they did.

 

[Oats12345]

It's hilarious, a movie starring a woman, a movie starring an Asian, a movie starring an ultra diverse cast and it all gets a gigantic dump taken on it by a movie starring no less than 3 WHITE MEN.

Is that why people are calling it a non woke film?

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

After watching the film, I'm left wondering something:

Spoiler

Since Norman Osborn was cured of his insanity, what does that do for the rest of the story?
Since Norman is presumably alive after being returned back to where he left off and no longer the Goblin, that means Harry Osborn does not inherit his father's fortune nor has a vendetta against Peter. But do the events of Spider-Man 2 play out but with Norman instead of Harry? I'm sure Peter's power malfunctions still happen, but does Otto Octavius even become Doctor Octopus if Norman decides not to bankroll Otto's experiments?
What about Spider-Man 3? Does Flint Marko become Sandman?
Very interesting scenario to play out.

 

[Dom Cruise]

After watching the film, I'm left wondering something:

Spoiler

Since Norman Osborn was cured of his insanity, what does that do for the rest of the story?
Since Norman is presumably alive after being returned back to where he left off and no longer the Goblin, that means Harry Osborn does not inherit his father's fortune nor has a vendetta against Peter. But do the events of Spider-Man 2 play out but with Norman instead of Harry? I'm sure Peter's power malfunctions still happen, but does Otto Octavius even become Doctor Octopus if Norman decides not to bankroll Otto's experiments?
What about Spider-Man 3? Does Flint Marko become Sandman?
Very interesting scenario to play out.

imo they returned to the present day of their worlds, not to the exact moments they died.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

It's hilarious, a movie starring a woman, a movie starring an Asian, a movie starring an ultra diverse cast and it all gets a gigantic dump taken on it by a movie starring no less than 3 WHITE MEN.

Is that why people are calling it a non woke film?

Yeah I'm noticing a lot of Rantube is gloating over how the success of the movie is teaching (((them))) a lesson and couldn't understand why, since "Woke Kev" himself was largely steering the ship on the entire project.

90% ON ROTTEN TOMATOES 9.0/10 ON IMDB 100% ON THE MOIST METER

Is No Way Home really that good? I’ve never seen it but that amount of praise seems excessive.

It's very, very solid. But the sheen of it will fade before Spring and you'll soon see incredibly brave takes about how "overrated" it is. It's at the absolute least a well earned 7, and handily deals with a lot of the "muh Iron Boy" shit people have been crying about since Civil War.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

The more I hear about this movie, the more it sounds like it's got TFA hypenosis attached to it.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I saw the film and it was actually really good. I went in with mixed expectations and I can not believe how well the things this film tried to achieve are. Holland in particular actually felt like he was becoming a true man same with his supporting characters with Zendaya surprisingly being much better at her MJ compared to how she was in the previous films while Ned and Strange were fine. The movie paced itself pretty well and I like how they utilized most of the characters from the previous Spider-Man films. Some highlights were really Andew's Spider-man, Dafoe, and Electro since the three of them essentially elevated how they were in their previous outings. Andrew in particular had some really great emotional moments with pretty great chemistry. Tobey was essentially as great as I expected him to be and he had some pretty good moments as well, the same applies to JJ, Doc Ock and Sandman.

However there were some issues like I wished Goblin had more scenes to shine since he somehow was really damn terrifying especially with when he took back control and killed May. But for negatives there were some jokes that did not land that well and the Lizard was the weakest part of the movie especially with how in the end of his run, he was already cured so it didn't have as much of an impact as he was really more of a tool to give Strange information to use as exposition and understand Peter's plan.

Also one small thing is that it was a cool easter egg to see other spider-man villains when the universe was breaking apart since I think I saw Rhino, Scorpion, and Kraven.

 

[Well Intentioned]

90% ON ROTTEN TOMATOES 9.0/10 ON IMDB 100% ON THE MOIST METER

Is No Way Home really that good? I’ve never seen it but that amount of praise seems excessive.

I enjoyed it, although I think that they tried to shoehorn too much shit in and were banking on audiences to have been following all the other MCU properties to have a bit of a sense of what's going on with this multiverse stuff.

I'm generally not a fan of padding or stretching things out, but I think that this story could've been split into 2 movies and given a bit of room to breathe.

The only part I didn't really care for was shoehorning in a really obvious meme. Just felt really obvious and forced.

Spoiler: Spoiler if you really care

"I'm something of a scientist myself, you know."

Good popcorn flick that I think suffers from having just a little bit too much shoved into it.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

I'd love to know what someone who had only known of Holland-Man films thought of it. Presumably, the aformentioned maymay culture would have given some of them some context for what they were looking at, but I wonder if there's a disconnect between oldfags and people who only know of MCU.

 

[Dave.]

I enjoyed it, although I think that they tried to shoehorn too much shit in and were banking on audiences to have been following all the other MCU properties to have a bit of a sense of what's going on with this multiverse stuff.

I do care a bit for spoilers, but hearing that makes this movie a difficult sell for me. If I'm going to end up lost watching a film because I don't want to watch Marvel films I don't care about, it's probably going to hurt my overall opinion on the movie.

 

[Dr. Pasquale]

The more I hear about this movie, the more it sounds like it's got TFA hypenosis attached to it.

Its the nostalgia hype glasses 100%. Phase 4 has been nothing but absolute shit so far, this movie's plot is entirely built upon the premise that Dr. Strange is now a retard that is willing to bend the fabric of reality because a dumb kid he barely knows and his friends didnt get into college, also said dumb kid is a science prodigy that is so fucking stupid he doesnt even think about the implications of the "forget me" spell at all and keeps fucking around with it, but niggas see Maguire and they're taken back to 2002-2004, the absolute peak of superhero movies that is Spidey 1+2, which makes the movie look way better than it actually is. Hell, all the fanservice even got to me a little bit when Responsability Theme played for 10 secs during the final act.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Its the nostalgia hype glasses 100%. Phase 4 has been nothing but absolute shit so far, this movie's plot is entirely built upon the premise that Dr. Strange is now a retard that is willing to bend the fabric of reality because a dumb kid he barely knows and his friends didnt get into college, also said dumb kid is a science prodigy that is so fucking stupid he doesnt even think about the implications of the "forget me" spell at all and keeps fucking around with it, but niggas see Maguire and they're taken back to 2002-2004, the absolute peak of superhero movies that is Spidey 1+2, which makes the movie look way better than it actually is. Hell, all the fanservice even got to me a little bit when Responsability Theme played for 10 secs during the final act.

Yeah that's a major plot weakness of it that Strange really did not discuss terms and conditions with Peter in regards to the spell, I get it was there for the story to happen but it really should've been established as the last resort over all. Then again this movie and the last could've been prevented if Nick Fury was not an irresponsible asshole and let some idiot skrull to take over for him while he's on space vacation.

Like I still enjoyed the movie but that was a definite narrative weakness

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Yeah that's a major plot weakness of it that Strange really did not discuss terms and conditions with Peter in regards to the spell, I get it was there for the story to happen but it really should've been established as the last resort over all. Then again this movie and the last could've been prevented if Nick Fury was not an irresponsible asshole and let some idiot skrull to take over for him while he's on space vacation.

Like I still enjoyed the movie but that was a definite narrative weakness

Skrull or not, I do find it strange that Peter doesn't seek out Fury first before Strange. Magic as the first resort is really... well... spoiled relative to his problems. Seems like witness protection for his family and friends would be more important when he's being called Public Enemy #1. Which Skrull Fury would be willing to offer considering it was Skrull Fury that wanted Peter under his control in the last movie.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I hate Iron Spidey. But I plan on watching purely for nostalgia and to see Andrew, Tobey, Charlie, Willem, and Alfred one last time.

Sucks for Marisa Tomei though. Marvel hates older women that are not Janet Van Dyne, Hela, or Melina.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Skrull or not, I do find it strange that Peter doesn't seek out Fury first before Strange. Magic as the first resort is really... well... spoiled relative to his problems. Seems like witness protection for his family and friends would be more important when he's being called Public Enemy #1. Which Skrull Fury would be willing to offer considering it was Skrull Fury that wanted Peter under his control in the last movie.

I think the issue is more that Peter wanted him and his friends to still live normal lives while he's the center of attention, but I do agree would've been better if Peter had no other viable options before Strange

 

[Well Intentioned]

I do care a bit for spoilers, but hearing that makes this movie a difficult sell for me. If I'm going to end up lost watching a film because I don't want to watch Marvel films I don't care about, it's probably going to hurt my overall opinion on the movie.

I was looking at it more from the perspective of your Joe Q Public movie goer. If you're even a little bit of a comics fan it shouldn't be hard to pick things up. Outside of a couple of episodes of What If? I haven't watched any of the other MCU stuff that's come out and was able to follow along just fine.

I just think it'd be a little more interesting to have some story beats given a bit more time to adjust. The first quarter or so of the film feels very rushed...which might be intentional to fit in with how certain characters are dealing with things, but I felt that certain parts could've been spread out a bit more.

The rest of the film, with the villains, is a bit disjointed and while I appreciate the film did the right move in focusing on Molina and Defoe's performance, mostly, I do think some story beats again zipped along without a lot of exploration.

E: And I don't think anyone would really be 'lost' watching the film, to be honest. I just think that given there's so much shit in it, some stuff falls a bit by the wayside as a result. There were a couple of points I wouldn't have minded seeing a bit more, and there was one point that I think people might have been a little lost if they hadn't seen the Raimi films, but I was also super tired and nodding off a bit around that point so it may have been explained and I was simply out of it.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

The more I hear about this movie, the more it sounds like it's got TFA hypenosis attached to it.

What I'm hearing is it's 2/3 meh like the last Baby Spider movies, but the final third is filled with callbacks to superior movies and the ending sets it up so that we can finally see the "real" Spider-Man.

So basically this is the MCU version of "they had to make it that way but now they can do whatever they want" except it took three movies, six if you count the toy commercials Avengers.