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KillThemCrackasBabies dijo:
Did like NWH, but not as much as I expected to. My initial suspicions of it being a "throw all the toys in the toybox on the floor and make them all fight" were closer to reality than I expected them to be, but overall it was pretty solid. Did like them
actively involving the two other Spider-Men in significant roles as I was theorizing they'd just pop them in as cameos at the end battle.


And the box office records it's breaking will demonstrate to you why normiebux, not "muh soy consoomers", is what actually drives them to keep pumping these things out.
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And for you to pump things out.
 
Yeah, I think it's a mostly good film, and maybe great. I need to see it again someday to cement my thoughts after the hype dies but I felt like it did a lot right. I figure if you were going to do nostalgia bait fan-service, this is one of the better ways to do it. The villains were great, mostly the Green Goblin and Doc Ock, but I feel the film does drag with its plotting, and the ending that feels makes the last two films kinda pointless. For example, Sandman just turns on Peter because he misunderstands what Peter was doing and then the villains all fear for their lives because some of them die in their universes, and that felt weak and contrived. Like they needed a reason for them to hate this universe's Peter, I actually wasn't bothered with Peter trying to redeem the villains but I can why it's annoying in a meta sense, we know they're evil so why fuck around with this redemption shit? But I think it works because it plays into Peter's morality and naivety.
I think the other two Parkers coming back was great, and fun that does a good job with tying up loose ends from the older franchises. I was impressed with their chemistry and surprised that Tom wasn't overshadowed by them. I actually thought he was a standout in this movie. The ending though, I felt the lead up to it was fine but it did really reset the character development they had built up to this point and I felt it made the last two films pointless in retrospect now. No idea if they'll ever resolve that, but I felt Peter being completely alone left a sour taste in my mouth. Even when Peter's in his lowest points in the other Spider-Man movies, or comics, there was always this tinge of hope and optimism that I didn't really get here. It just felt like he lost everything, and maybe that's the point with the sacrifices that Peter makes but here, it feels like it was done at the expense of character progression and I'm not a big fan of that.
But overall, I thought it was much better than I thought it'd be. Maybe my opinion will soften or harden but right now I liked it fine.
 
Ruin dijo:
According to Norman's dialogue in No Way Home Oscorp does not exist in the current Spiderman Universe so any villain associated with Oscorp can't be used without interdimensional shenanigans. This rules out Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Rhino, Electro, and Doc Oc, Vulture and at least a dozen minor villains.

Shit they really wrote themselves into a corner didn't they?
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Polite disagree. It just means no Green Goblin.
Hobgoblin, on the other hand, is very much in play.
 
Dom Cruise dijo:
The only major villain left I can think of is Kraven and maybe Scorpion (since they introduced JJ, maybe that's who it'll be next) but Sony wants to do a standalone Kraven movie it seems?
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A version of Mac Gargan (Scorpion) was introduced in Homecoming, they just haven’t followed up on the post-credit scene where he asks Adrian Toomes (Vulture) about Spider-Man’s identity.
 
What, they couldn't bring back Topher, or even Franco XD?
This joke was funny enough to me that I will laughingly accept all of the silly bad pictures I'm undoubtedly going to get for telling it.
 
The Valeyard dijo:
A version of Mac Gargan (Scorpion) was introduced in Homecoming, they just haven’t followed up on the post-credit scene where he asks Adrian Toomes (Vulture) about Spider-Man’s identity.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QPfcuqzH0So
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I'm guessing they forgot (no pun intended) or any plans they had are scrapped. Now that everyone had their memory wiped of Peter, it really means nothing now without a major asspull.
 
KillThemCrackasBabies dijo:
Alls I'm saying is you needed to be a Grade A retard to pretend like this wasn't going to steamroll everything in sight.
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Indeed, there are two important points to make.

1) Spider-Man is right up there with Superman and Batman as one of the most recognizable superheroes on the planet and a merchandising gold mine.
2) NWH is has the most amount of unabashed fan service by including Tobey, Andrew, and most of the major villains from the Raimi and Amazing eras.

It wouldn't surprise me if NWH clears a billion and it's already halfway there after one weekend.
 
Ruin dijo:
According to Norman's dialogue in No Way Home Oscorp does not exist in the current Spiderman Universe so any villain associated with Oscorp can't be used without interdimensional shenanigans. This rules out Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Rhino, Electro, and Doc Oc, Vulture and at least a dozen minor villains.

Shit they really wrote themselves into a corner didn't they?
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Not really since supervillain origins can be changed with ease that it won't need to rely on certain elements. Vulture was also already used in Homecoming too.

Only ones that won't be used is the Green Goblin which would be fine not to use him.
 
So, is there a reason why Peter didn't go to (Fake) Fury first? Seeing as how he was doxxed, wouldn't his concern be to get witness protection for his friends and family instead of mind-wiping the world? The cause of his problems doesn't have anything to do with magic, so there isn't really a reason for Doctor Strange to interfere in the first place nor does he have an in like he does with (Fake) Fury. Being on the same side with the Sorcerer Supreme doesn't mean he knows where to look for him. Meanwhile, he does know how to contact Fury and Fury really wants Spidey to work for him.

But whatever, stunt casting is more important.
 
Gaear Grimsrud dijo:
As far as the recent trend of "let's revel in nostalgia" movies go, No Way Home did it far better than all the other ones I've seen.
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Yeah, I'm usually pretty sensitive and quick to let out a massive cringe-groan at any fan service/nostalgia moments. This movie wasn't too bad, and I give them credit for at least half trying to hide Tobey and Andrew as to avoid making it an advertising point.

I usually feed into the consoomer soy youtubers after watching marvel shit, I can bear to watch a couple videos because there's a lot of comic shit that I'm not autistic enough to be into. One video mentioned that One More Day (a comic storyline this movie was based on) had a twist where if Spiderman revealed himself to someone they'd get their memories back. Marvel is lazy and that'll probably happen at the end or half way through the next movie. Marvel doesn't like to kill off people who don't have ending contracts, Tom Holland is too much of a cash cow and they're already talking about plans for another 3 movies.

But yeah, it wasn't a bad movie. It follows the typical modern marvel trait of a movie never really being totally shit, but rather extremely meh at worst. They're like fast food to me. I indulge once in awhile, but they get stale pretty quick.

I still think act 1 of Iron Man 1 is one of the best things to come out of the MCU tho
 
I just had a blast. I wasn't spoiled, so there was so much that I just really enjoyed, despite the attempts by interviewers and the like to force the actors into giving away too much. I didn't know they were going to bring back all the villians (except Venom and the two Harry Osborns), so when Jamie Foxx turned up in the 'no spoilers' that ran before the film, I was pleased to see we got a pretty damn close Sinister Six. But there was so much I liked. I enjoyed Daredevil turning up. I loved all three Peters together - but then Into the Spiderverse was a pure delight and this was a live action version of that. May's death hit hard because she's been the only other constant, and while I should have expected the switcheroo I didn't. I liked Doc Ock's redemption, because he was always the one who was least about being evil and more operating out of grief and despair. Lizard and Sandman got lost in the shuffle a bit, but getting crazy Willem Defoe back was a good replacement.

And of course there's all sorts of questions that can be asked that can be handwaved by 'well only a few slipped in' - so that's why no other MJs, for example. Out of the theatre, though, I now wonder what it means for the respective timelines that have changed because most of these characters are alive. The big one of course is Norman, considering how directly that leads to that Harry going nuts as well - but they were clearly taken from different points in the same universe's timelines, which has to fuck things up. They didn't have time, but imagine if they'd brought back Gwen and her Dad from the Amazing movies, and sending them back would mean sending them back to die. Or even a meet-up of surviving Mays. But they made a big point about how time travel fucks with the universe, so they've just fucked with the timelines of two other universes.

Also, I kept forgetting they got Rhys Ifans to play the Lizard in the Amazing film, so was half-expecting Dylan Baker instead.

But there were just so many bits I loved, and when all three of them were together I had a great time. Andrew Garfield especially was having a lot of fun, and the moment when his Peter got to save MCU's MJ really got me.

Basically, I got what I wanted out of it and then some, and the callbacks, references and reappearances really worked for me. The audience applauded several times during the film, when I saw it.
 
Spider-Man just took a massive dump on all of Marvel's Phase 4 movies, making more in one weekend than they did during their entire runs. Its only a matter of time before they (damage control shills) refer to Spider-Man as the first "post-covid" film, but considering that The Eternals just came out like a month ago, it wasn't covid keeping people from theaters, but how absolutely awful Eternals, Shang Chi and Black Widow were.
 
Have not seen the movie yet, but stumbled upon this IFunny video. Feels man...
Really good acting on Molina's part, he felt so genuine throughout this scene.

 
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