Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Hangula Hungui]

Since Uncle Bens death didn’t seem to have the impact of character development for Tom’s Spider-Man than with the others, I think it’s fair to say that this trilogy is the actual origin story for Tom.

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Tom had everything, a new father figure, technology, recognition, the avengers. Things that would either nurture a huge ego or create an alternate timeline where Spider-Man becomes somewhat of a selfish villian. And now, where he goes back to being the actual friendly neighborhood spider-man, he had his priorities and ambitions shaken, everything has been taken away from him by doing the right choice. A selfish version would try to immediately reconnect with Happy, Ned and MJ. But much like at the end of Raimis first Spider-Man movie, the protagonist sees the danger that will always loom over those who are close to him.

I like it. Let’s hope it stays like this.

 

[UnKillFill]

So now that they are bringing old marvel films over I think its only a matter of time before they do an avengers+xmen

Aussie logan is a given but will that closeted fag who plays deadpool be there? will halle berry? picard? the homo who plays magnetto?

I believe I've heard Hugh Jackman say he wouldn't ever play Wolverine again, but I actually do agree with you that Hugh Jass Jackman will probably be offered so much money by the mouse that he keeps playing Wolverine for the time being, even though he was grossly miscast in the role in first place. (In the comics. Wolverine is a borderline manlet, and Hugh Jackman is at least 6 feet tall.)

Are you saying that Ryan Reynolds is a closeted homosexual? I guess I can't disprove that... And he *is* Canadian... I still have my doubts though. Either way, yeah they're definitely going to keep him as Deadpool in the MCU. Why wouldn't they? He did a good job, and breaking the fourth wall is Deadpool's thing. If they're smart, they'll even have Ryan Reynolds Deadpool make a joke about how Disney owns everything now in his next appearance.
(Also, I personally want to see a Spiderman/Deadpool crossover on the big screen, even though I know it will never happen.)

There's no way in hell that the MCU keeps Halle Berry as Storm though. She's way too fucking old, and she didn't even do a good job the first time around.

 

[Cool Dog]

I believe I've heard Hugh Jackman say he wouldn't ever play Wolverine again, but I actually do agree with you that Hugh Jass Jackman will probably be offered so much money by the mouse that he keeps playing Wolverine for the time being, even though he was grossly miscast in the role in first place. (In the comics. Wolverine is a borderline manlet, and Hugh Jackman is at least 6 feet tall.)

Are you saying that Ryan Reynolds is a closeted homosexual? I guess I can't disprove that... And he *is* Canadian... I still have my doubts though. Either way, yeah they're definitely going to keep him as Deadpool in the MCU. Why wouldn't they? He did a good job, and breaking the fourth wall is Deadpool's thing. If they're smart, they'll even have Ryan Reynolds Deadpool make a joke about how Disney owns everything now in his next appearance.
(Also, I personally want to see a Spiderman/Deadpool crossover on the big screen, even though I know it will never happen.)

There's no way in hell that the MCU keeps Halle Berry as Storm though. She's way too fucking old, and she didn't even do a good job the first time around.

IIRC jackman already said he wouldnt play wolverine again after the third movie and yet he still did 2 standalone movies (all shit) then called quits again only to become the protag of one of the prequels

And if you want a miscast manlet check the guy that played cable

 

[starborn427614]

Since Uncle Bens death didn’t seem to have the impact of character development for Tom’s Spider-Man than with the others, I think it’s fair to say that this trilogy is the actual origin story for Tom.

Spoiler: Spoiler

Tom had everything, a new father figure, technology, recognition, the avengers. Things that would either nurture a huge ego or create an alternate timeline where Spider-Man becomes somewhat of a selfish villian. And now, where he goes back to being the actual friendly neighborhood spider-man, he had his priorities and ambitions shaken, everything has been taken away from him by doing the right choice. A selfish version would try to immediately reconnect with Happy, Ned and MJ. But much like at the end of Raimis first Spider-Man movie, the protagonist sees the danger that will always loom over those who are close to him.

I like it. Let’s hope it stays like this.

I wonder if Ben's even going to appear in that Freshman Year thing. I suppose they could make it so May got the saying from him.

 

[UnKillFill]

IIRC jackman already said he wouldnt play wolverine again after the third movie and yet he still did 2 standalone movies (all shit) then called quits again only to become the protag of one of the prequels

And if you want a miscast manlet check the guy that played cable

I don't necessarily disagree with the first part of what you said, but Jackman is like 6'3. I am by no means short, but that's actually slightly taller than I even am.

I just looked it up, Josh Brolin is apparently 5'10. I wouldn't suggest he play basketball or anything, but that is supposedly taller than the average height of an American male... That isn't a manlet, obviously.

According to google, Wolverine is something like 5'3 in the comics. I actually do consider that to be a manlet. That's literally only 2 inches taller than Ethan Ralph. So I think you're wrong on all counts.

 

[Cool Dog]

I just looked it up, Josh Brolin is apparently 5'10. I wouldn't suggest he play basketball or anything, but that is supposedly taller than the average height of an American male... That isn't a manlet, obviously.

Kinda is, you're starting to sound like a cope tbh

And cable was a big fucking dude in the comics, brolin lacks both the height and the mass

 

[Dom Cruise]

I wonder if Ben's even going to appear in that Freshman Year thing. I suppose they could make it so May got the saying from him.

This is something I've been wondering, did she coin it or was she quoting uncle Ben?

It does bother me that we don't really know the origin of Tom Holland Spider-Man after 3 films, how did he even get his powers if Oscorp is not a thing? Who was experimenting with spiders and why? And why would he be Spider-Man in the first place if Ben didn't die and didn't instill that saying in him?

Next movie needs to start with a flashback just how exactly he started, but cutting to what he's doing now.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

This is something I've been wondering, did she coin it or was she quoting uncle Ben?

It does bother me that we don't really know the origin of Tom Holland Spider-Man after 3 films, how did he even get his powers if Oscorp is not a thing? Who was experimenting with spiders and why? And why would he be Spider-Man in the first place if Ben didn't die and didn't instill that saying in him?

Next movie needs to start with a flashback just how exactly he started, but cutting to what he's doing now.

His origin in the comic had nothing to do with Oscorp or experimentation with spiders. Peter just went to a demonstration of radiation, a spider unknowingly got zapped, and then the irradiated spider bit him.

 

[UnKillFill]

Kinda is, you're starting to sound like a cope tbh

And cable was a big fucking dude in the comics, brolin lacks both the height and the mass

You're being dumb here. Wolverine was obviously a manlet in the comics, and was never portrayed otherwise there. And yet they were totally cool with Jackman playing him for 9 movies over 20ish years (and he's probably coming back in the new MCU)

Brolin played Cable in one movie. (And I could be wrong, but I doubt they'll bring him over to the MCU proper, seeing as how he also played Thanos.) You are technically correct that Cable was a big ass mother fucker in the comics, but then again so is pretty much everybody else that Rob Liefeld ever drew. I really don't see how you consider casting a big ass character with an average height and sized actor, on the same level as casting a manlet sized character with a much taller than average actor.

 

[Ruin]

The love affair soy consoomer types have with Marvel seems to have soured a bit. I was reading some random headlines and noticed the AV club gave No Way Home a C+ and made some snarky comments about the Marvel industrial comments. A couple years ago the AV club was one of these outlets that have every Marvel movie an A+ and ferociously attacked any critics.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

The love affair soy consoomer types have with Marvel seems to have soured a bit. I was reading some random headlines and noticed the AV club gave No Way Home a C+ and made some snarky comments about the Marvel industrial comments. A couple years ago the AV club was one of these outlets that have every Marvel movie an A+ and ferociously attacked any critics.

I feel like Disney feels they are in a place where they don't have to pay off outlets anymore. I still see plenty of normie soy consoomer types jerking off to Spider-Man and Marvel as if it is the next coming of christ.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Did like NWH, but not as much as I expected to. My initial suspicions of it being a "throw all the toys in the toybox on the floor and make them all fight" were closer to reality than I expected them to be, but overall it was pretty solid. Did like them

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actively involving the two other Spider-Men in significant roles as I was theorizing they'd just pop them in as cameos at the end battle.

The love affair soy consoomer types have with Marvel seems to have soured a bit. I was reading some random headlines and noticed the AV club gave No Way Home a C+ and made some snarky comments about the Marvel industrial comments. A couple years ago the AV club was one of these outlets that have every Marvel movie an A+ and ferociously attacked any critics.

And the box office records it's breaking will demonstrate to you why normiebux, not "muh soy consoomers", is what actually drives them to keep pumping these things out.

 

[Dom Cruise]

One issue I did think of is now that they've already used Doc Ock and Green Goblin, what major villains are left for future MCU Spider-Man movies? Unless they want to have an MCU version of someone like Doc Ock, I think it could work (the PS4 game has an interestingly different take on it) but would audiences accept that? They did tease an MCU version of Venom after all.

The only major villain left I can think of is Kraven and maybe Scorpion (since they introduced JJ, maybe that's who it'll be next) but Sony wants to do a standalone Kraven movie it seems?

His origin in the comic had nothing to do with Oscorp or experimentation with spiders. Peter just went to a demonstration of radiation, a spider unknowingly got zapped, and then the irradiated spider bit him.

Interesting, but his modern origin story is always derived from genetic engineering, which makes more sense, but again raises the question of who was doing the experiments?

 

[Ruin]

One issue I did think of is now that they've already used Doc Ock and Green Goblin, what major villains are left for future MCU Spider-Man movies? Unless they want to have an MCU version of someone like Doc Ock, I think it could work (the PS4 game has an interestingly different take on it) but would audiences accept that? They did tease an MCU version of Venom after all.

The only major villain left I can think of is Kraven and maybe Scorpion (since they introduced JJ, maybe that's who it'll be next) but Sony wants to do a standalone Kraven movie it seems?



Interesting, but his modern origin story is always derived from genetic engineering, which makes more sense, but again raises the question of who was doing the experiments?

According to Norman's dialogue in No Way Home Oscorp does not exist in the current Spiderman Universe so any villain associated with Oscorp can't be used without interdimensional shenanigans. This rules out Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Rhino, Electro, and Doc Oc, Vulture and at least a dozen minor villains.

Shit they really wrote themselves into a corner didn't they?

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

According to Norman's dialogue in No Way Home Oscorp does not exist in the current Spiderman Universe so any villain associated with Oscorp can't be used without interdimensional shenanigans. This rules out Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Rhino, Electro, and Doc Oc, Vulture and at least a dozen minor villains.

Shit they really wrote themselves into a corner didn't they?

They could do a lot of hand waving bullshit depending on the villain they want. Vulture in the MCU used Stark tech, right? They can just do more shit like that, make up some new group, or "they built/made X on their own"

 

[Tor Lugosi]

According to Norman's dialogue in No Way Home Oscorp does not exist in the current Spiderman Universe so any villain associated with Oscorp can't be used without interdimensional shenanigans. This rules out Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Rhino, Electro, and Doc Oc, Vulture and at least a dozen minor villains.

Shit they really wrote themselves into a corner didn't they?

They've already did Vulture in Homecoming and of the villains you listed only the Goblins have anything to do with Oscorp.

They could do something with the Spider Slayers (which ties in with JJ), Kraven, maybe something with the totem crap, and perhaps the Jackal and clones plus Carrion. The problem with Spider-Man is that a lot of his stories revolve around street level crime - Kingpin, Silvermane, Tombstone, Hammerhead, and the like, which just doesn't really fit the MCU's constant need for epic CGI battles.

 

[Dom Cruise]

They've already did Vulture in Homecoming and of the villains you listed only the Goblins have anything to do with Oscorp.

They could do something with the Spider Slayers (which ties in with JJ), Kraven, maybe something with the totem crap, and perhaps the Jackal and clones plus Carrion. The problem with Spider-Man is that a lot of his stories revolve around street level crime - Kingpin, Silvermane, Tombstone, Hammerhead, and the like, which just doesn't really fit the MCU's constant need for epic CGI battles.

But it would work perfectly with the direction they've taken the character post No Way Home.

As a matter of fact, I'm kind of blown away that they've really gone in exactly the direction I wanted them to, it remains to be seen whether they'll screw it up in the future, but it's at a perfect place right now.

The more MCU flavored version of the character was interesting for a while, but now is the time to take it in a direction more faithful to the original comics.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Shit they really wrote themselves into a corner didn't they?

All it takes is a throwaway line about a hostile takeover of Stark Industries for Oscorp to become a thing.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

But it would work perfectly with the direction they've taken the character post No Way Home.

As a matter of fact, I'm kind of blown away that they've really gone in exactly the direction I wanted them to, it remains to be seen whether they'll screw it up in the future, but it's at a perfect place right now.

The more MCU flavored version of the character was interesting for a while, but now is the time to take it in a direction more faithful to the original comics.

Sure, I'd love for that to be the case but with the massive success of NWH and the MCU's emphasis on the multiverse going forward I can't see them settling on a film wherein their biggest cash cows stops a low-level criminal ring while Ant-Man is fighting Kang.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Sure, I'd love for that to be the case but with the massive success of NWH and the MCU's emphasis on the multiverse going forward I can't see them settling on a film wherein their biggest cash cows stops a low-level criminal ring while Ant-Man is fighting Kang.

I can see them allowing some smaller stakes Spider-Man movies for a while, but ending a second trilogy with an even bigger multiverse crossover not unlike a live action Spiderverse.

In addition to the return of Garfield and Tobey, there could also be live action versions of Miles, Gwen and maybe even Peni and noir Spider-Man?