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Doctor of Autism dijo:
Yeah I personally feel Spider-Man's issue is just the MCU never addressing the struggle of what it's like to be a superhero. The most it has done that with is really with Iron Man who had actual conflict with being Iron Man in his movies and it also was the basis of the conflict in Civil War. It just was never given with other characters as being a superhero seems to be portrayed as an awesome thing in the MCU beyond some emotional struggles.

The most struggle MCU Spider-Man had is with internal conflict which was his insecurity of how good he is as a hero on his own. No Way Home seems to address one thing though which is actually good for this iteration of Spider-Man anyway which is how liberal he has been with revealing his secret identity to people. But really it just pales in comparison to the very real conflicts Tobey's Spider-Man (I say Tobey since the worst Garfield dealt with was just his romantic life) had with how he had to manage his romantic life, job, and had to protect his identity from family/friends. It also had real consequences established with being a hero beyond just insecurity since there was a sense of guilt with Tobey's actions especially with his conflict with Harry.
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Agreed.

The MCU's idea of "bad luck Parker," is him accidentally misusing a piece of expensive tech that was given to him on a school bus. That one scene from Far From Home always stood out to me, because of how ... Unrelatable Peter Parker is in that moment. That's one thing if it's him as Spider-Man dealing with a deadly drone, but Peter Parker having to deal with that while on a school bus? That's so not a "Peter Parker-esque" conflict to me. Neither is him getting caught undressing in a room in front of a super spy and having it being misunderstood in a very Three's Company-like way ... But I digress.

MCU Peter Parker loses the "everyman" vibes that are pretty essential to the character. When Peter Parker is Spider-Man, he's a superhero. When Peter Parker isn't Spider-Man, he's just a guy who has bills the pay, has girl problems, and is just trying his best to get through life. MCU Spider-Man has no focus on Peter Parker's everyday life, and as a result, I don't connect with this version of Spider-Man nearly as much as the one from the Raimi movies. Not even close. For example, if Tobey Maguire Parker had missed a science competition for his class because of Spider-Man duties in one of his movies, then I guarantee that his team would have lost the competition and that the guilt would hang over Peter's head something fierce. When Peter misses the competition in Homecoming, his classmates end up winning without him anyway and it's no biggie that he missed it.

One thing I am glad about, though, is that the MCU isn't going to pussy out of the credits scene in Far From Home. This upcoming movie is ALL about that credits scene, thank goodness. At the end of Homecoming, Aunt May discovering that her nephew is Spidey is only played off as a joke, and it appears to be no big deal at all to her (when it should be a big deal to her). I was afraid that the MCU would cop out of actually writing a movie about this big reveal with Spider-Man's identity being exposed by using the Skrulls or something within the first 10 minutes of the film (and if that had happened, I would have 100% walked out of the theater, btw). So, you know, at least we're seeing some form of big consequences with MCU Spider-Man, finally.

Homecoming and Far From Home are fun movies with some great moments ... But a lot of what is done to Peter Parker's character is what prevents these movies from being great.
 
StarkRavingMad dijo:
Agreed.

The MCU's idea of "bad luck Parker," is him accidentally misusing a piece of expensive tech that was given to him on a school bus. That one scene from Far From Home always stood out to me, because of how ... Unrelatable Peter Parker is in that moment. That's one thing if it's him as Spider-Man dealing with a deadly drone, but Peter Parker having to deal with that while on a school bus? That's so not a "Peter Parker-esque" conflict to me. Neither is him getting caught undressing in a room in front of a super spy and having it being misunderstood in a very Three's Company-like way ... But I digress.

MCU Peter Parker loses the "everyman" vibes that are pretty essential to the character. When Peter Parker is Spider-Man, he's a superhero. When Peter Parker isn't Spider-Man, he's just a guy who has bills the pay, has girl problems, and is just trying his best to get through life. MCU Spider-Man has no focus on Peter Parker's everyday life, and as a result, I don't connect with this version of Spider-Man nearly as much as the one from the Raimi movies. Not even close. For example, if Tobey Maguire Parker had missed a science competition for his class because of Spider-Man duties in one of his movies, then I guarantee that his team would have lost the competition and that the guilt would hang over Peter's head something fierce. When Peter misses the competition in Homecoming, his classmates end up winning without him anyway and it's no biggie that he missed it.

One thing I am glad about, though, is that the MCU isn't going to pussy out of the credits scene in Far From Home. This upcoming movie is ALL about that credits scene, thank goodness. At the end of Homecoming, Aunt May discovering that her nephew is Spidey is only played off as a joke, and it appears to be no big deal at all to her (when it should be a big deal to her). I was afraid that the MCU would cop out of actually writing a movie about this big reveal with Spider-Man's identity being exposed by using the Skrulls or something within the first 10 minutes of the film (and if that had happened, I would have 100% walked out of the theater, btw). So, you know, at least we're seeing some form of big consequences with MCU Spider-Man, finally.

Homecoming and Far From Home are fun movies with some great moments ... But a lot of what is done to Peter Parker's character is what prevents these movies from being great.
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Pretty much, honestly this talk of Tobey reminds me of how he would've been the Spider-Man in the MCU early on but the film series was rebooted due to Sony being very controlling
 
SmugAutist dijo:
The main thing that always annoyed me about MCU Peter was that he really enjoyed being Spider-Man and wanted to be part of the Avengers. The real Peter Parker couldn't be further from that. Spider-Man 2 is still the best portrayal of Peter, and it shows the main thing that makes him a hero. Peter would be much better off not being Spider-Man because it fucks with everything in his life: job, studies, friends, family, and love interest. Everything would be so much better if he just let go... but the death of his uncle will always haunt him and that responsability wears him down to the point of sacrificing everything he loves to be Spider-Man and help others.

MCU Peter never has that kind of overwhelming weight behind him, and it really lowers the stakes of his character.
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It also doesn't help that he's under the shadow of Tony Stark, even in Far from Home since Happy is sticking around for reasons. Since everyone loves MCU Stark, that character eats up Petey's characterization.
 
Just finished watching Shang-Chi or "Asian incel" as I now call it for autistic reasons, and it was kinda meh, I started watching it expecting to hate it but I didn't, the thing is I didn't like it either its sort of neutral, the guy playing Shang-chi has no charisma I don't think I even related to him at any point in the movie, weirdly enough I sort of liked Awakafina's (or whatever the fuck its written) character more, she is very annoying but you can tell she is trying her hardest to make me laugh and care about not only her but Shang Chi as well, most of the action scenes are pretty good. The movie's ending is very cgi heavy, which makes me doubt that this thing budget was only $150 million but whatever, overall I'd give it a 6/10.
 
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I finally got around to watching Shang Chi, it was better than I expected but doesn't mean good.

The movie still has many of the Marvel issues of too much sub-par CGI, the poor blending of CGI, sitcom-like lighting and colour grading, and misplaced comedy. Also has the worst and most ill-fitting soundtrack out of any Marvel movie.

The action when hand it's hand is surprisingly strong, while not on the level on a classic Shaw Brother movie it's much better than any Marvel movie before it with only the elevator in Captin American Civil War coming close. The issue with the action is when it is done on CGI locations it takes you out of the movie with how misplaced and fake looking it is.

Story for what is an origin story it's fine if not remarkable, however, the execution of how well it's told depends on how much you like or dislike Awkwafina's character as she is meant to be the point of view for the audience and I can see her being very divisive. I found her to be overall fine but were a few points she got too obnoxious. But her being the audience point of view for this world kind of falls by the wayside at the halfway mark and she is just a third wheel. Just lacks energy and the more you learn in the movie the less interesting it becomes.

While the movie somewhat hits the goal of being a Kung Fu movie as much as a Hollywood CGI fest could, it fails at the easier goal it has of being fantasy adventure, you are never transported to another world in this movie outside our own or in wonder by any of the designs. For a fantasy movie, the scope of it feels very small as the characters never feel like going on an adventure bigger than themselves rather than any in personal stakes or world-changing events way.

The movie pacing was pretty good until around the midway which is where it starts to drag and is not helped by how dull everything looks thanks to trademarked shitty Marvel lighting and colour grading. However, Ben Kingsley when he turns up is enjoyable and brings life to the movie when it is needed but he is joined by something just created to sell toys.

Villains are overall fine, Tony Leung is interesting and fresh, secondary villains do their job but nothing more, no reason why someone like Razor Fist could be as stand out as some of the henchmen found in the James Bond movies, not asking for in-depth and well written secondary villains just ones with a personality to them.

Overall 5/10, it's a fine movie but something that will leave your brain a week or so after you see it. Play God Hand instead
 
honestly it'd be pretty easy to bring Spidey's personal struggle to film, but I really hope we eventually get a dark and gritty Spidey film that touches on his personal struggles. MFW if that happens, I hope it's on par with Logan.
 
ProblematicUser420 dijo:
I didn't see Venom 2,
but if it's villains who die fighting Spider-Man how the fuck does Tom Hardy Venom get involved in this?
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Venom ends up in the MCU/Sonyverse the same way the rest of the villains do. It doesn't explain how.

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ProblematicUser420 dijo:
I didn't see Venom 2,
but if it's villains who die fighting Spider-Man how the fuck does Tom Hardy Venom get involved in this?
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Apparently symbiotes have a dimensional hive mind. So A Venom died, so he has links to that dead Venom.
 
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