Marathon 2025 - Bungie's new AAAA Extraction shooter

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Today I had the largest dose of second hand cringe. Apparently the Merch store is linked to your actual achievements? I'm just not ready for this kind of marketing.
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Pretty sure they did same in Destiny. Or maybe having ridiculous price of 777$ for a shirt but discount if you have an achievement.
 
I've posted this on the Destiny thread, and I'll leave it here for the uninformed as well:


The Bungie we loved has been dead for years, it's nothing but a rotting corpse. You do not hate NuBungie and the fags/troons feasting upon the carcass enough.
 
History repeats itself, even now Bungiefags are blaming Sony, just like they blamed Activision and Microsoft, for what's entirely Bungie's fault. You'd think pattern recognition would kick in by the third time, but it seems their brain activity just flatlined.
It's been kind of surprising seeing how many Destiny players have that opinion. I was watching Tom Christie's video on Destiny's death earlier today and near the end he started going on about how Sony's bad decision making ruined Destiny. I don't know how they even square that away since Bungie was working on Marathon and several other now dead projects before Sony even bought them. Not sure how it's Sony's fault that Bungie went over budget and over deadline for a game that was originally supposed to be a smaller project, and ultimately wasted employee talent on games nobody wanted when they could have focused on Destiny. As far as I know, the only thing Sony fucked up on was over paying for Bungie by an insane amount, but even that was kind of engineered by Pete Parsons.
 
Pretty sure they did same in Destiny. Or maybe having ridiculous price of 777$ for a shirt but discount if you have an achievement.
That would be the Moments of Triumph shirt you're referring to.

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It's been kind of surprising seeing how many Destiny players have that opinion. I was watching Tom Christie's video on Destiny's death earlier today and near the end he started going on about how Sony's bad decision making ruined Destiny. I don't know how they even square that away since Bungie was working on Marathon and several other now dead projects before Sony even bought them. Not sure how it's Sony's fault that Bungie went over budget and over deadline for a game that was originally supposed to be a smaller project, and ultimately wasted employee talent on games nobody wanted when they could have focused on Destiny. As far as I know, the only thing Sony fucked up on was over paying for Bungie by an insane amount, but even that was kind of engineered by Pete Parsons.
Bungo stans deserve all the shit game Bungie is shoveling onto them.
 
Guys, people are stuck at school, of course there's going to be less retention on Marathon.

Meanwhile everyone is on Tardiny 2, monument of triumph, having the time of their lives, being happy, freely spending money on product, making the gears move on, even if it's a F2P with predatory tactics but at least people are happy with that finger up their asses.
 
Meanwhile everyone is on Tardiny 2, monument of triumph, having the time of their lives, being happy, freely spending money on product, making the gears move on, even if it's a F2P with predatory tactics but at least people are happy with that finger up their asses.
It's true.

Destiny fans seem trapped in a bizarre cycle of suffering and anguish. I'm watching the stages of grief play out in real time for thousands and thousands of people.

They spend years telling everyone how much they hate Bungie, how terrible Destiny is, and how incompetent the developers have become. Then the second the game they hate so much stops getting development, in the very next breath, they start begging for Destiny 3.

The new cope for their community is basically

"Despite years of shit talking the product, maybe if we all log on and play, they'll make another one!"

If Bungie is really as incapable as what they say, why would Destiny 3 suddenly be the game they've always wanted? Why with the sudden optimism?

Why would the same studio that supposedly spent years making bad decisions suddenly reverse course and deliver a masterpiece? It's never been more over for Destiny fans, they cant please you. I know the struggle, Blizzard is teasing a new version of classic wow, but its going to be shit. It's going to have gay pride parades and furry shit in it. It's over.
 
Oh God, I can see it too; "No, Durandal's totally trans-coded (lul)--his desire to escape the closure of the universe and become God of a new one was always a metapfhor (lulx2) for escaping hetero-normativity and embracing their true selves, which his conservative brother Tycho reacted to by joining a radical far-right group and trying to kill him! Bungie are geniuses, I tell you!!"
I'm getting the Wachowskis flashbacks.
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The Destiny 2 servers just crashed across all platforms from being overloaded
:story:
Gamers are saying Destin-nay to Maratroon.
Today I had the largest dose of second hand cringe. Apparently the Merch store is linked to your actual achievements? I'm just not ready for this kind of marketing.
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It would've been pretty cool if devs rewarded you with actual merch for hard achievements. At least a limited amount of players that get there first.
 
So let's see, D2 hit 150k+ yesterday while Marathon didn't even manage to hit 20k. Its second season launched with F2P, discounts, extreme shilling... and still only got 40k players, and has already lost more than half that within 1 fucking week.

And Marathon is what they're choosing to go all in on. Not D2, not a new Destiny game, not a new IP... Marathon.

Bungie isn't going to exist after 2027. They are quite simply too retarded to live.
 
So let's see, D2 hit 150k+ yesterday while Marathon didn't even manage to hit 20k. Its second season launched with F2P, discounts, extreme shilling... and still only got 40k players, and has already lost more than half that within 1 fucking week.

And Marathon is what they're choosing to go all in on. Not D2, not a new Destiny game, not a new IP... Marathon.

Bungie isn't going to exist after 2027. They are quite simply too retarded to live.
Oh it's absolutely stupid, and of course everyone saw this coming. The problem right now is that they can't really course correct. If they dropped the waste of resources that is Marathon tomorrow, and started on Destiny 3 they wouldn't be making any revenue at all for what, 3-5 years?

Even with the scenario of dumping Marathon and putting resources back into developing Destiny 2 content for another 3-5 years so they have the time to make a Destiny 3, do they have enough of a remaining player base that would be willing to pay up to support that?

And a third scenario. Make Marathon f2p with a skeleton crew producing MTX slop so they can try and make some money, while putting resources back into D2, all to try and hold people over while also making D3... again I don't see that generating enough revenue over the time it would take to get a D3 out the door to sustain the company either.

The only way they'll survive is immediately shifting development to D3, and begging Sony for the time to make it while finding the correct cocks to suck for a welfare check from their overlords. This isn't impossible, but it won't result in a good game.
 
There’s a possible 4th scenario if Bungie is actually invested in winning back their fans trust (lol lmao I know, but let me dream).
Release something like Destiny 2 - Classic, similar to what Blizzard did with WoW. Add back all the old content, reset the storyline, have it so players can progress through the game like they did originally.
I know there’s not a cats chance in hell of them doing this, in fact I think I remember reading that some of the old game files just don’t exist any more, but it would show people that they do still care about their players. This week has shown that there’s still a player base out there.
It’s a pipe dream, I know.
 
There’s a possible 4th scenario if Bungie is actually invested in winning back their fans trust (lol lmao I know, but let me dream).
Release something like Destiny 2 - Classic, similar to what Blizzard did with WoW. Add back all the old content, reset the storyline, have it so players can progress through the game like they did originally.
I know there’s not a cats chance in hell of them doing this, in fact I think I remember reading that some of the old game files just don’t exist any more, but it would show people that they do still care about their players. This week has shown that there’s still a player base out there.
It’s a pipe dream, I know.
There is a big problem with doing this, they do not have access to working older builds of the game. When they got sued last year over plagarism in the base game of Destiny 2, they were unable to produce evidence in the form of the game itself and tried to rely on 3rd party websites, which the Judge didn't allow.
 
Oh it's absolutely stupid, and of course everyone saw this coming. The problem right now is that they can't really course correct. If they dropped the waste of resources that is Marathon tomorrow, and started on Destiny 3 they wouldn't be making any revenue at all for what, 3-5 years?

Even with the scenario of dumping Marathon and putting resources back into developing Destiny 2 content for another 3-5 years so they have the time to make a Destiny 3, do they have enough of a remaining player base that would be willing to pay up to support that?

And a third scenario. Make Marathon f2p with a skeleton crew producing MTX slop so they can try and make some money, while putting resources back into D2, all to try and hold people over while also making D3... again I don't see that generating enough revenue over the time it would take to get a D3 out the door to sustain the company either.

The only way they'll survive is immediately shifting development to D3, and begging Sony for the time to make it while finding the correct cocks to suck for a welfare check from their overlords. This isn't impossible, but it won't result in a good game.
The core issue at all of this is what would a Destiny 3 even look like? I'm not a Destiny person but it feels like that it would have to be a huge justification to not just keep Destiny 2 going instead against the idea of your existing D2 install base being reset to starting over in a new game. (Did Destiny 1 let you carry anything to Destiny 2?)

Is there a real market for Destiny 3 to chase?
 
It's true.

Destiny fans seem trapped in a bizarre cycle of suffering and anguish. I'm watching the stages of grief play out in real time for thousands and thousands of people.

They spend years telling everyone how much they hate Bungie, how terrible Destiny is, and how incompetent the developers have become. Then the second the game they hate so much stops getting development, in the very next breath, they start begging for Destiny 3.

The new cope for their community is basically

"Despite years of shit talking the product, maybe if we all log on and play, they'll make another one!"

If Bungie is really as incapable as what they say, why would Destiny 3 suddenly be the game they've always wanted? Why with the sudden optimism?

Why would the same studio that supposedly spent years making bad decisions suddenly reverse course and deliver a masterpiece? It's never been more over for Destiny fans, they cant please you. I know the struggle, Blizzard is teasing a new version of classic wow, but its going to be shit. It's going to have gay pride parades and furry shit in it. It's over.
As one of those longtime Destiny fans, I can't speak for everyone, but the reason I don't want it to end is because I still care. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's apathy. When people are calling Bungie out for stupid ideas and getting mad about it, they just want the game they love to be in a better place than it is. It's when you stop hearing those voices altogether that you know something bad is happening. That means people have given up entirely.

What the response to the end of development shows is that there are still a lot of people who care about the Destiny universe and truly want more of it, even if they hadn't been playing as much lately for one reason or another. They want more of the story, they want to play through more activities, and they want to be able to share in those memories with others. It shows that the franchise's seeming death was more brought about by stupid decisions from Bungie than by people's disinterest.

And yeah, it's obvious that Bungie in its current state probably couldn't deliver an adequate follow-up, especially not with Sony shooting down any attempt to (and I don't blame them with how much money they've burned). But that doesn't stop people from wanting.
The core issue at all of this is what would a Destiny 3 even look like? I'm not a Destiny person but it feels like that it would have to be a huge justification to not just keep Destiny 2 going instead against the idea of your existing D2 install base being reset to starting over in a new game. (Did Destiny 1 let you carry anything to Destiny 2?)

Is there a real market for Destiny 3 to chase?
I've gone over this before, but the biggest issue is that D2 was not designed from the start to be infinitely built upon, it was only supposed to last a couple years at most before being replaced with D3. This led to bandaid decisions to keep it going like removing vast chunks of the game in order to make room for more, which did keep the game alive but also ruined its reputation. And while people were upset about nothing from D1 transferring to D2 (they literally blew up your vault at the start of the campaign), over time that attitude has softened somewhat, with more players these days seeing that continuing D2 long past its initial expiration date caused more harm than good.

So in theory, a fresh game could potentially offer a stronger base to build off of, ideally being designed from the ground up to last a long time. You could also potentially mitigate a lot of the problems that the D1 -> D2 transfer had, which were more due to the radical shift in various aspects of game design (replacing customizable subclasses with static ability kits, dual primaries and shoving everything else into the power slot so rockets competed with shotguns, slower and less vertical movement, etc.). Instead of reinventing the wheel, just transfer all of the work you've done over the past decade on modern class and weapons design and work on building off of it. There wouldn't even really need to be a hard reset of gear and abilities, you could just start off with everyone's stuff transferred over and pick up easily, not leaving behind any of the guns or cosmetics they know and love.

It's pie in the sky, sure, and I'm under no illusion that this will happen. But I do think the market is still there for a well-crafted looter shooter, and without Destiny, what else is there? People point to Warframe as a replacement, but it doesn't necessarily hit in the same way for people (I tried, I didn't like it). And Borderlands? I'd rather not OD on cringe, thanks.
 
The core issue at all of this is what would a Destiny 3 even look like? I'm not a Destiny person but it feels like that it would have to be a huge justification to not just keep Destiny 2 going instead against the idea of your existing D2 install base being reset to starting over in a new game. (Did Destiny 1 let you carry anything to Destiny 2?)

Is there a real market for Destiny 3 to chase?
@King Dead got most of it, but there's an additional business aspect.

Because of some of what was explained, there's been a lot of halfassed decisions, locking away content while the game is "technically" f2p, repeatedly fucking with things just to try and drive people to mtx, etc. While D2 may also be back up to 120k players on steam right now, that's not going to equate to revenue.

A new game means a fresh base to start with, people buying a new game, avoiding past fuckups, and so on. Of course the problem with all of that is... no one worth a shit is left at Bungie
 
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