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UncleTusky dijo:
collecting evidence
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I honestly think Collect Evidence is a good mechanic as an optional way to boost up an early game card to a late game card with real cost.

Like Deadly Cover up and Analyze the Pollen are on rate cards that have similar cards with the cost and can have really big upsides if you collect evidence.
 
Yeah, I think the mechanic was fine, but they could have called it something more generic like Analyze or Deduce or whatever.

I think they should have dumped Detective tribal, kept Collect Evidence under a different name, kept Disguise but dumped Cloak, kept tagging creatures as suspects but changed how the mechanic worked, and leaned hard into the idea that You, the Player are the detective trying to solve the case.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love dijo:
So we just don't care about the Marvel set cause like none of us faggots have brought up any spoilers at all.
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Wizards doesn’t have another set coming out for months? What’s all this about a ‘Marvel’? Only ‘marvel’ I know is an Aetherworks Marvel…
 
Oddjob OTP dijo:
Only thing that has more then mildly interested me is that we have now confirmed that Caesar, Azula, Sauron, Elish Norn and Nico Bolas are all Worthy™ to wield Mjolnir.
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Well Sauron and Bolas are god tier enough that they just rewire the enchantment on it...however THE POWER OF THOR tm is probably a downgrade for both of them.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love dijo:
So we just don't care about the Marvel set cause like none of us faggots have brought up any spoilers at all.
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The only noteworthy thing about the set is that it is based on the comics, not the MCU.

Either WotC didn't have the money for the rights or Marvel didn't trust WotC with its prime IP, either way it raises red flags about WotC.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love dijo:
Well Sauron and Bolas are god tier enough that they just rewire the enchantment on it...however THE POWER OF THOR tm is probably a downgrade for both of them.
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Yeah, I mean we can make some justifications for it but it's pretty silly. Rakdos, Tibalt, and Ob Nixilis are also worthy. On the other end of silly, so are Ragavan, Rograkh, and Eternal Wanderer's dog.

UncleTusky dijo:
Either WotC didn't have the money for the rights or Marvel didn't trust WotC with its prime IP, either way it raises red flags about WotC.
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Objectively I think the comics are a better fit and also less of a toxic comodity since they've failed to make any remotely good movies since Thanos other than maybe Deadpool. Marvel MCU enjoyers have the same dead look in their eyes as Star Wars fans, maybe even worse since Andor was supposed to have been decent from what I've heard.
 
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It's kindof funny, because Marvel feels slightly closer to in-universe than did TMNT or just Spider-Man, but I don't know absolutely anyone who gives a shit.

That said, it's not like I'm skipping it. There's a $0.50 merfolk lord at uncommon, a third conspiracy theorist effect on a $0.50 uncommon, and another $0.50 card to throw in Asmo. So I'll be spending a whopping $1.50 on the set, which is gonna make a huge dent into those licensing fees. Oh, there's also some can't-miss humor like this card:
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From a limited perspective, this looks like it's going to be one of the worst sets ever made. In the entire set, among all of the creatures, there are three non-legendaries. That's really, really bad and going to lead to incredibly clunky, awkward games.

I've seen people comparing this to a coreset, but I don't think so: there's too much fucking text on these cards and too many weird, wonky strategies that are very-clearly not going to pan out. I think it's going to be a disaster and, much like how FF got brought out to salvage Spider-Man, I might get to draft my beloved Avatar again a few weeks after this set releases.
 
Oddjob OTP dijo:
Objectively I think the comics are a better fit and also less of a toxic comodity since they've failed to make any remotely good movies since Thanos other than maybe Deadpool. Marvel MCU enjoyers have the same dead look in their eyes as Star Wars fans, maybe even worse since Andor was supposed to have been decent from what I've heard.
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I disagree because WotC is trying to ride pop culture trends - they want IPs with a built-in fanbase they can milk, and MCU stills sell millions of tickets. Even if those numbers are in freefall post-Thanos movies it's still much more than the comic books.
 
UncleTusky dijo:
I disagree because WotC is trying to ride pop culture trends - they want IPs with a built-in fanbase they can milk, and MCU stills sell millions of tickets. Even if those numbers are in freefall post-Thanos movies it's still much more than the comic books.
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MCU fans don't really see a distinction between Comic stuff and their movie stuff. Some outside speculators might convince themselves anyone cares but it's unlikely; there are very few MCU fans that break into hysterics if they see MODOK or someone and can't attach them to a Disney movie, they only care about the presence of your Iron Mans and whatnot. I'd compare the outside-MCU-scope stuff to how characters like Tom Bombadil were outside of the Peter Jackson LotR scope but no one gave a shit.

I think the actual MtG designers are happier when they get a bunch of stupid characters to fit into cardboard and the MCU universe - the Spiderman movies is like maybe 100 notable characters. Maybe 150 if that includes the Fox X-Men movies too. Probably too small for a set like this. Also if I was Hasbro I'd try to avoid shitting all of my profits out to license real people like Robert Downy Jr. but that's me.

Rich Evans Ayypologist dijo:
From a limited perspective, this looks like it's going to be one of the worst sets ever made. In the entire set, among all of the creatures, there are three non-legendaries. That's really, really bad and going to lead to incredibly clunky, awkward games.
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That's my gut feeling but the cope I've heard is that FF also had a huge amount of legendary spam and that's one of the more fondly remembered limited sets in recent memory.
 
Oddjob OTP dijo:
That's my gut feeling but the cope I've heard is that FF also had a huge amount of legendary spam and that's one of the more fondly remembered limited sets in recent memory.
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FF actually had a pretty wide field of options despite how simple a lot of the cards were, plus the crazy shit you would pull out of the bonus sheet. It led to pretty quick, fun matches. By contrast what I've seen of Marvel just looks like it'll be you smashing random bullshit together and whoever grabbed the better bullshit will win.

I think WotC has this notion that because people will spend $30 for some Secret Lair chase mythic Wolverine, they want a whole set with I dunno... fucking Stegosaurus Man or the Amazing Spatula or whoever the fuck.
 
Oddjob OTP dijo:
That's my gut feeling but the cope I've heard is that FF also had a huge amount of legendary spam and that's one of the more fondly remembered limited sets in recent memory.
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For reference, Final Fantasy had 67 non-legendary creatures in a 311-card set. ATLA had 89 in a 286-card set. I'm excluding the bonus sheets of both, as while semi-common they aren't really your bread-and-butter draft. That's 21.5% and 31% of the cards, respectively.

Marvel is at 1% right now, but tomorrow is apparently when they spoil the main set in total, so who knows. FF had 20 creatures at uncommon that weren't legends, and avatar had 27 - relative to Marvel's current 0. We should expect to see a lot more uncommons and all of the commons in the full spoiler, so maybe it'll get fixed then, but this still seems extreme. FF had <100 total legends; ATLA had 64. Marvel already has 100.

FF's mechanics were also neatly interwoven and pretty robust, whereas several of these Marvel ones have been tried in several other limited formats... and almost never work, like RW exalted in Kamigawa Neon-Dynasty.
 
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