Leaving Neverland - heehee

[Truthspeaker]

The original video was deleted for some reason...I wonder why? This is Wade Robeson's mother talking about their experience with MJ in 2011. She says when they moved to America, Wade was about 9 years old and they saw MJ about 3 times. Also Wade claims that he was abused when he was 7 to 14, but Dan Reed says it took place when he was 7 to 9. They really don't sound like they're taking this seriously.

Wade Robson's mother is a fucking retard, I don't give a fuck what she gets wrong.

What I do care about are facts: Wade met MJ when he was five after winning a child-dancing contest where the winner's prize was "meet Michael Jackson". They didn't stay in touch personally, but were encouraged to do recon if they ever made it stateside. Robson's dancing company did exactly that; got in touch with Jacko during Robson's gig at Disneyland; Jacko asked for a sleepover; his parents were exceptionally retarded, so they let him spend the night with Jacko alone; and Jacko made a move right away, extatic at meeting the world's dumbest parents.

Asked and answered. I mean, it'd be nice if you at least read the other posts in the thread.

Like I said earlier, Mama Robson's a brain-dead bitch who deserves to kill herself out of shame like her husband. I don't give a fuck about minor details she gets wrong, I care about the years that've already been documented.

That's damning of MJ sure, but doesn't prove anything in regards to Robson and Safechuck.

He was their friend for years each. He kept shelves of porn and erotica everywhere he went, all easily accessible to children, specifically designed to horrify them off het-sex and turn them onto pederasty.

The Believe It or Not tape's not even the most damning piece from the '03 raid, that would be his Larry Stevens book. If you have $500 bucks, you too can be the owner of this used pederast sex manual, and the book was just as hard to get in '03. There's no way MJ had a Larry Stevens book by accident.

Why do you believe them until their pov aligns with yours and only then think they're being truth? I agree MJ is probably a paedophile and I still don't believe them regardless of whether it fits my bias because it doesn't fit the facts and evidence.

Because it doesn't make any sense why a sex-crazed closet queen would spend all his time hanging out with boys at the exact age they're most appealing to pederasts, and dump almost all of 'em from his life the second the boys get too old to appeal to pederasts.

Your belief requires faith in a more preposterous story than the Baloon Boy: you already say you believe the dude was a pedo, that he wanted to have sex with boys, that all the horrible porn found in those raids was his; but two boys he shared his bed with for years each start talking, and all of a sudden, they're not credible?

To answer your question though, when MJ was alive they could continue to tard cum him and appeal to him. It's a lot easier to appeal to single person who thinks they're your friend than an estate made up of a board of people who likely only see you as a leech. This move didn't cost them a lifetime of bribes because that river had run dry, so now they're trying to blow up the whole dam.

These "leeches" had mountains of evidence, and most people were already suspicious of Jacko by default. Jacko earns tens of millions a year dead, his Estate could've seeked out all his special friends, offered a bullshit "consultancy" job for half a mill a year, and even three-dozen special friends on the dole would barely cost a tenth of their revenue.

And he didn't stay friends with Safechuck or Robson after they died. He spent as little time as he could with em once they were too old for his NAMBLA ass to sodomize, not that it stopped him from calling 'em up to bail his ass out and make the sleepovers look somewhat appropriate.

But then, you've already admitted he was a pedo. You're just inconvenienced now that two of the most obvious candidates there ever were stepped up to accuse.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

Did I say it was for Lisa Marie? I said it was probably for another lady he was seeing at the time. Also I find it very interesting you posted an SNL skit where they make jokes about him being a pedophile. So does this mean you believe he's a pedophile because the media and the public made jokes about it? I mean people make jokes about Null being a degenerate feeder fan all the time, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

It's still important to have evidence for this stuff instead of sensationalist rumors. All these celebrities who say they care about victims of abuse are just virtue signaling so that their dirt doesn't get uncovered. And it's already starting to happen with Oprah.

You posted a photo of Lisa Marie Jackson so who else were you inferring? All the other sexy ladies Jackson was dating and wooing with strip mall jewelry from Simi Valley Zales?
lol.

I believe he’s a pedophile for the same reason Norm MacDonald and everyone else does, because Jackson admitted to sharing his bed with little boys for twenty years and squired random little boys around like trophy wives in public.

Norm MacDonald is a fucking badass and had the balls to relentlessly call out Jackson for the homosexual pedophile he truly was for years. Just one of the many reasons people love Norm MacDonald

 

[Truthspeaker]

Did I say it was for Lisa Marie? I said it was probably for another lady he was seeing at the time. Also I find it very interesting you posted an SNL skit where they make jokes about him being a pedophile. So does this mean you believe he's a pedophile because the media and the public made jokes about it? I mean people make jokes about Null being a degenerate feeder fan all the time, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

There was no other lady he was seeing at the time. Jacko was queer as an eleven-dollar bill. So damn gay he made Taylor Swift's merkin adventures look plausible. He couldn't even bring one woman in '05 to testify in his defense by saying they had sex while he invited those young boys to his private sleepovers. Brooke Shields, whom he used as a beard for years in the '80s, admitted they never had sex, and that it was because MJ wasn't into her. He could've married her if he wanted, but he never showed any interest.

Even Marcus Bachmann could get it up for his own wife. Michael Jackson never matched up to the raw, heterosexual glory of Marcus Bachmann.

It's still important to have evidence for this stuff instead of sensationalist rumors. All these celebrities who say they care about victims of abuse are just virtue signaling so that their dirt doesn't get uncovered. And it's already starting to happen with Oprah.

They have voicemails, letters, gifts, photos, were publicly friends with him for years, and slept in private together, he was accused four times previously, his defenders have still admitted to watching porn in the same bed as him and being given booze and drugs.

That's the best you get for a case from the previous century. They're long past what the statute of limitations allow; and, while I favor the death penalty for rapists and pederasts, I still favor a fifteen-to-twenty-year statute of limitations; but just because a crime that wasn't prosecuted happened too long ago to be worth seeking a criminal trial for -- doubly so here, as Jacko's dead -- doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Nor does it mean these victims shouldn't be entitled to civil-court compensation. The propaganda war against Safechuck and Robson's out in full force, with Robson now being accused of breaking up that bullshit PRomance Timbergay had with his mother's client.

I'm happy to be in the corner that does the least pretending.

 

[Ruin]

I guess my outrage has a statute of limitation. Depending on what it is you might get me riled up about something horrific that happened a year ago but 20+?

Nah, got better things do do than shriek about a dead gay pedo.

 

[iRON-mAn]

Wade Robson's mother is a fucking exceptional individual, I don't give a fuck what she gets wrong.

Like I said earlier, Mama Robson's a brain-dead bitch who deserves to kill herself out of shame like her husband. I don't give a fuck about minor details she gets wrong, I care about the years that've already been documented.

It's convenient that you're throwing out an entire testamony on the basis that it doesn't fit your narrative of what you want to believe happened, and calling things like Robson being the one who instigate contact with Jackson through a thank you letter or an entire 14 years of never seeing Jackson except for 4 occasions as 'minor details'.

Because it doesn't make any sense why a sex-crazed closet queen would spend all his time hanging out with boys at the exact age they're most appealing to pederasts, and dump almost all of 'em from his life the second the boys get too old to appeal to pederasts.

Your belief requires faith in a more preposterous story than the Baloon Boy: you already say you believe the dude was a pedo, that he wanted to have sex with boys, that all the horrible porn found in those raids was his; but two boys he shared his bed with for years each start talking, and all of a sudden, they're not credible?

Because Jackson didn't abuse every child he came into contact with. There are a bunch of children, usually famous ones, that maintain Jackson never touched them. So, clearly Jackson had some kind of restraint. It's not outside the realms of possibility that Jackson was around these boys but never went as far as abusing them for whatever reason. Again, Safechuck's testimony of when the abuse started is fabricated because we know Jackson was nowhere near him at the time. Those 'minor details' make it clear that they're at least lying about parts of their story, which makes me very suspicious of them.

Not to mention the idea that Jackson, this pedo monster the media paints as being unable to keep his hands off children, doesn't jive with the notion that he would drop children for celebrities like Emmanuel Lewis and Macaulay Culkin since he gets nothing out of the relationship. He can't touch them because it'd be a scandal. So why set aside kids like Safechuck and Robson, who he could abuse? Unless we're arguing that Jackson got off just being near kids, in which case, again, he wouldn't have needed to actually abuse Safechuck and Robson, so their stories are bull.

Just because some kids were abused by Jackson, doesn't mean all were. I'm not going to 'listen and believe' Safechuck and Robson than anyone else. Their stories have to stand up to scrutiny, which it doesn't.

These "leeches" had mountains of evidence,

No they don't, at least not credible evidence.

But then, you've already admitted he was a pedo. You're just inconvenienced now that two of the most obvious candidates there ever were stepped up to accuse.

How does this inconvenience me at all?

 

[Orkeosaurus]

Norm MacDonald is a fucking badass and had the balls to relentlessly call out Jackson for the homosexual pedophile he truly was for years. Just one of the many reasons people love Norm MacDonald

Do you also think Adam Egret used to jerk off punks for 15 bucks a man under the Queensboro bridge? He'll say anything to get a rise out of people, not necessarily because he says what he believes. It's in the same vein of him saying Bill Clinton is a murderer.

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

I wish I could get this maybe I'll bootleg it because the little I saw on H3 is gold, they showed that one kid with Michael asking about sleeping together and he's holding his hand and fucking necking on Michael, the fuckin' kid's like 14 and he's hooked on him like a Puerto Rican twink in prison trying to be someones bitch so he doesn't get raped.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I guess my outrage has a statute of limitation. Depending on what it is you might get me riled up about something horrific that happened a year ago but 20+?

Nah, got better things do do than shriek about a dead gay pedo.

Then why are you reading and posting in this thread? You obviously need to be doing better things.

 

[Ruin]

Then why are you reading and posting in this thread? You obviously need to be doing better things.

U mad as fuck nigga.

 

[Truthspeaker]

I guess my outrage has a statute of limitation. Depending on what it is you might get me riled up about something horrific that happened a year ago but 20+?

Nah, got better things do do than shriek about a dead gay pedo.

The outrages of the Estate are happening right now. Not '93 or '05.

The very same people who covered for Jacko for years, even decades, are making millions off their coverup and propaganda, which they continue to earn to this day.

It's convenient that you're throwing out an entire testamony on the basis that it doesn't fit your narrative of what you want to believe happened, and calling things like Robson being the one who instigate contact with Jackson through a thank you letter or an entire 14 years of never seeing Jackson except for 4 occasions as 'minor details'.

I don't want to believe this shit. It's fucking horrific.

I believe it because all alternate stories are preposterous.

Because Jackson didn't abuse every child he came into contact with. There are a bunch of children, usually famous ones, that maintain Jackson never touched them. So, clearly Jackson had some kind of restraint. It's not outside the realms of possibility that Jackson was around these boys but never went as far as abusing them for whatever reason. Again, Safechuck's testimony of when the abuse started is fabricated because we know Jackson was nowhere near him at the time. Those 'minor details' make it clear that they're at least lying about parts of their story, which makes me very suspicious of them.

Every special friend who said MJ was on the level was lying. Just like Gretchen Mol, Jennifer Lawrence, Mila Kunis, Jessica Alba, and all of Harvey Weinstein's other "special friends" lied about not being his spoogetube.

Not to mention the idea that Jackson, this pedo monster the media paints as being unable to keep his hands off children, doesn't jive with the notion that he would drop children for celebrities like Emmanuel Lewis and Macaulay Culkin since he gets nothing out of the relationship. He can't touch them because it'd be a scandal. So why set aside kids like Safechuck and Robson, who he could abuse? Unless we're arguing that Jackson got off just being near kids, in which case, again, he wouldn't have needed to actually abuse Safechuck and Robson, so their stories are bull.

He didn't get off just being near kids. Otherwise, he wouldn't've dpent hundreds of dollars on an out-of-print pederast manual, and wouldn't've been accused by six boys of inappropriate behavior, five of whom occused him of rape.

And what is it about celebrities that leads you to believe they're in a harder position for more powerful celebrities to sexually abuse? All the stories that've come out this century alone about what a wonderful place Hollywood is? All those times Daniel Radcliffe and Elijah Wood, with their real parents, spent hanging out with Jacko? That time you got a blowjob from the Easter Bunny?

Oh wait, none of those things happened, because they're not real.

Just because some kids were abused by Jackson, doesn't mean all were. I'm not going to 'listen and believe' Safechuck and Robson than anyone else. Their stories have to stand up to scrutiny, which it doesn't.

This isn't "listen and believe". Jacko's special friendships with Robson and Safechuck were documented and photographed over the span of years. They shared private planes, hotel rooms, and Jacko's porn-filled home, in deeply suspicious circumstances.

It's all there, and was there long before these accusations.

How does this inconvenience me at all?

Because you believe a creepy weirdo you admit was probably a pedo spent all this time and money, mostly on non-celebrity boys, and restrained himself on every single one of the dozens of occassions he shared a bed with these boys, alone, at private sleepovers.

Aside from the time you admit he didn't.

Are there any boys you do think he molested? Are any of 'em the special friends? If so, what makes their cases more credible than these?

 

[Saffronette]

I believe he’s a pedophile for the same reason Norm MacDonald and everyone else does, because Jackson admitted to sharing his bed with little boys for twenty years and squired random little boys around like trophy wives in public.

Norm MacDonald is a fucking badass and had the balls to relentlessly call out Jackson for the homosexual pedophile he truly was for years. Just one of the many reasons people love Norm MacDonald

Hey everyone, this guy over here says this MJ is totally a pedo despite it being a joke on TV! Wow he sure owned us with the facts!

For all this stuff people claim about MJ, the media sure doesn't want to talk about female teachers molesting their students. Something that was being reported on around the same time as the 2005 trial.

And the the interesting thing about it is that the same people online would say, "Michael is a pedo lol" would also say that the children molested by these teachers should, "suck it up and take it". There wasn't much of an outrage when Asia Argento was accused of grooming Jimmy Bennett from the age of 8 until he was of age to have sex with him.

This is just my opinion, but I think there's more people covering up for predatory women than men. Because you know, double standards.

 

[Truthspeaker]

Hey everyone, this guy over here says this MJ is totally a pedo despite it being a joke on TV! Wow he sure owned us with the facts!

Norm wasn't joking about MJ being a pedo.

Norm's joke involved MJ being a pedo!

He was joking about the Elephant Man stuff, though. Only suckers bought that hookum.

And the the interesting thing about it is that the same people online would say, "Michael is a pedo lol" would also say that the children molested by these teachers should, "suck it up and take it". There wasn't much of an outrage when Asia Argento was accused of grooming Jimmy Bennett from the age of 8 until he was of age to have sex with him.

This is just my opinion, but I think there's more people covering up for predatory women than men. Because you know, double standards.

Asia Argento only has the one occuser. Sure, he knew her intimately for years; sure, there relationship was always suspect; sure, he waited quite a while to report it; sure, Asia Argento grew up in crazy circumstances; but. . .

. . . wait, I'm confused. How is this case different from MJ's again? Aside from him having many more suspicious relationships and accusers?

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

This is just my opinion, but I think there's more people covering up for predatory women than men. Because you know, double standards.

People in general are most definitely more forgiving of female predators- murderers too. Especially if they're mildly attractive. You see it all the time. "Women can't be pedophiles", women can't rape", "women are incapable of committing violence and if they do it's the man's fault somehow" etc.

People will call a case of an adult male teacher sleeping with a 14 year old girl rape and scream about how she's nothing but a victim and there's no way she could've consented or even started it, but swap the genders and suddenly its "well boys always want it lmao". Because girls under the age of 18 can't consent but boys can and always do.

Sorry for mini-sperg. But this is a double-standard that really grinds my gears.

 

[Truthspeaker]

People in general are most definitely more forgiving of female predators- murderers too. Especially if they're mildly attractive. You see it all the time. "Women can't be pedophiles", women can't rape", "women are incapable of committing violence and if they do it's the man's fault somehow" etc.

People will call a case of an adult male teacher sleeping with a 14 year old girl rape and scream about how she's nothing but a victim and there's no way she could've consented or even started it, but swap the genders and suddenly its "well boys always want it lmao". Because girls under the age of 18 can't consent but boys can and always do.

Sorry for mini-sperg. But this is a double-standard that really grinds my gears.

The double-standard is @Saffronette believing the Argento case for exact same reasons he disbelieves the Jacko case.

The double standards are always for the celebrities people like.

Edit:
And there's far less evidence for the Argento case.

 

[Saffronette]

Asia Argento only has the one occuser. Sure, he knew her intimately for years; sure, there relationship was always suspect; sure, he waited quite a while to report it; sure, Asia Argento grew up in crazy circumstances; but. . .

. . . wait, I'm confused. How is this case different from MJ's again? Aside from him having many more suspicious relationships and accusers?

It's different of course because the people who accused MJ weren't being truthful and in it for money. Plus it's easy to pin pedophile accusations on an awkward manchild who didn't have the best grasp on things that were socially acceptable.

The double-standard is @Saffronette believing the Argento case for exact same easons he disbelieves the Jacko case.

The double standards are always for the celebrities people like.

But a woman grooming a boy? No...that's impossible we can't let the public know about that. There's more likely people covering up for them and you can easily see it in things like #metoo. No famous actress or singer was accused of any sort of horrible abuse. Which is odd because thought they wanted to bring justice to all victims.

I like a lot of artists and they've been accused of a lot of things that may or not be true. And I don't always agree with every single action they commit or whatever opinion they may have. I just think in regards to this matter, it's important to think critically and fact check.

Also: I'm a he instead of a she now.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Y'all remember that Michael Jackson vidya game where you ran around collecting little kids?

 

[metroid_fetish]

Michael Jackson is a corpse and my 13 year old prior self would not have sex with him.

 

[iRON-mAn]

I believe it because all alternate stories are preposterous.

Only when you ignore evidence.

He didn't get off just being near kids. Otherwise, he wouldn't've dpent hundreds of dollars on an out-of-print pederast manual, and wouldn't've been accused by six boys of inappropriate behavior, five of whom occused him of rape.

I'm not saying he's getting off just being near kids. I said that's the only way to explain why he would set aside children he could abuse without consequence for kids like Emmanuel Lewis and Macaulay Culkin, who he couldn't abuse because they would have caused more of a scandal if they outed him and he couldn't groom in the same way.

Though it occurs to me that you'll probably just claim Emmanuel Lewis and Macaulay Culkin are lying by denying their abuse. Everyone's lying that doesn't agree that Michael Jackson just raped every child he so much as spent more than 5 minutes with.

This isn't "listen and believe". Jacko's special friendships with Robson and Safechuck were documented and photographed over the span of years. They shared private planes, hotel rooms, and Jacko's porn-filled home, in deeply suspicious circumstances.

It's all there, and was there long before these accusations.

I've posted contradictions to this that show the encounters weren't as frequent or as prolonged as they were made out to be, but you dismiss it because Robson's mother is scum, and then go on to talk about Taylor Swift being gay...so, I mean, it's sort of at a stalemate at this point.

and restrained himself on every single one of the dozens of occassions

I never said he restrained himself on every occasion. Only that his history was one that implied restraint, and therefore we can't rule out the possibility that he never actually abused Safechuck and Robson.

But, I've also suggested it's possible that he did abuse Safechuck and Robson, and these two men are taking advantage of it their own trauma for pure greed. They want to paint a certain picture of themselves, but it's emotionally manipulative, and doesn't align with actual facts. Safechuck's allegation of when the abuse started doesn't fit with actual history, his testimony of when he realised he was abused is manipulated to create some sort of bond with Robson, even though he contradicts himself by admitting Jackson was a bad man during the previous trial, a time when he states that Jackson and his lawyers hounded him until the end of the trial, an impossibility because of the judge's order and the fact that Jackson's lawyers never contacted anyone, the private investigator did. Robson account also changes multiple times, including one occasion when he was simultaneously shopping a book about his abuse at the same time of the trial (which he wasn't supposed to do), knew of events that didn't happen that he included in the book anyway, and when he was ordered to provide the drafts of the book, they found exactly what I just stated, his account changes from one draft to the next.

Think what you want about Jackson, but Safechuck and Robson are out for nothing but a quick buck. The only question is whether they're depraved enough to embellish their own abuse and trauma in pursuit of that dollar sign.

 

[Saffronette]

Y'all remember that Michael Jackson vidya game where you ran around collecting little kids?

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Oh yeah the Moonwalker game. This was SEGA's first time working with him and he made a cameo in Space Channel 5 too. In the movie this game is based on, he saves kids from a drug dealer supervillain (played by Joe Pesci) and eventually defeats him by turning into a giant robot and blowing up his base. The arcade version is better though, you can make people dance to death.

 

[Raging Capybara]

Nobody cares about Argento because she is a nobody.

MJ was the biggest star of all time.