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Jordan claimed he was circumcised but MJ's autopsy showed that he was uncircumcised. Maybe MJ grew his foreskin back within 20 years but that's just a theory. ?
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Can't we all just get along?
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Wow you are insane. You think all these highly detailed blogs full of legal documents and citations, some on issues and people going back twenty years are just randos super fans with a hobby blog? Seriously? You think the Jackson estate wouldn’t be paying serious money to try and protect their investment in MJ’s music and merch rights?
I worked in PR for over a decade, 85% of the blogs defending MJ are paid professional blog posted by various legal firms, reputation management firms and various flack for Jackson estate. They’ve been operating for over a decade but there was a big uptick recently thanks to this doco.
Before MJ’s death you had a few pro blogs and some fan blogs defending him. After his death his estate started being run by real pros the defense blogs started flooding google results.
You think an estate that could lose billions if MJ’s is people accept MJ raped young boys is going to not flood the internet defending him?
Ask yourself this, who are behind these blogs? Who is distributing all the defense propaganda? It’s all just super hero truth seekers that spend their waking hours to convince the Internet MJ isnt a pedo? No financial incentive at all, they just want to defend poor MJ? Who spends hundreds of hours compiling, writing, documenting, uploading, formatting and hosting all this shit?
It’s pretty easy to see the sources for people reporting the accusations and who runs the blogs. Not so for the endless defending Mike blogs. Most of the domain owner names are hidden - because it’s professional reputation management orgs and legal teams hired by the estate producing all this content.
The Jackson Estate is a worth hundreds of millions, if not billions, they are not just meekly remaining silent in the face of accusations that could cost them hundreds of millions in revenue. They ar using an army of professional legal and PR services, as most every big celebrity does.
It is their right to do so, but my problem is they hide the fact that these blogs are all paid PR work. Most try to give the impression they are just part-time truth seekers deeply invested in every accusation about MJ child raping. They do so b/c people like you seemed shocked by the fact I’m pointing out most of these blogs are paid for by the Jackson estate. It should be common sense, but obviously not.
Please point me to the totally unbiased owners or everyday fans that are running all these slick defense blogs. I bet you won’t be able to trace a source or who’s running 80% of them because they have taken great pains to hide it.
ETA: Actually, I’m done responding to your posts because it’s just absurd. You just post Jackson propaganda blogs for most of your replies - so you’re either cheap flack or so dense any convo is pointless. But have a ball defending a serial child rapist.
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I'm pretty calm, I'm just asking for people to cite their sources since they claim to be experts on this. But instead we have people using a UK tabloid (The Sun) as proof which is hilarious to me. I wish I had the mental capacity to believe everything I saw in a documentary because I'd be a genius by now.
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I have to admit- There's been nasty things said to the defenders at times, but some defenders posts come off as condescending as well.
LOL, there are no winners. Just because people don't believe it doesn't mean they're dumb. Just because people believe the documentary doesn't mean they're dumb.
LOL, there are no winners. Just because people don't believe it doesn't mean they're dumb. Just because people believe the documentary doesn't mean they're dumb.
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- 24 de Ene, 2018
You're demonstrably correct. Someone is paying for #MJinnocent ads on buses and shit. It is a coordinated effort to protect the brand, because of course there would be. Most people aren't in the habit of pissing away money if they can help it.
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To be fair some of the real life MJ defenders come off crazy enough to do that.
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The funniest thing is that MJ's estate has done fuck all to do with his brand. They've released 2 "new" albums, a reissue with a doc, MV set, and a comp of previous released material. I mean, they're probably relying on Streaming to make income, but still.
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One of the reasons I started this thread is I hoped some of the tech industry people would give some insight on a ballpark on what the estate has been spending on SEO and social media. I know a lot about producing PR and brand content but not the nuts and bolts that people pay to promote and optimize the content. (Nor do I know what goes into buying likes and followers on SM, which has been going on in spades. The announcement of this documentary being shown at Sundance saw a huge spike in all of that on SM)
This is why I said 85% are paid pro blogs. He definitely has a lot of hardcore loons in his fan base that put up stuff to defend him. But loons don’t put up slick, well-written blogs with perfect formatting...they put up amateur hour shite.
Also his crazy fans tend to focus on hero worship stuff not slogging through minute legal details and small discrepancies of ppl accusing him of molestatng them. They might do a “Mike is innocent” post but not devote a 50 posts to the subject. They won’t write 5,000 words to try and discredit a book written in 1998 about his child fucking.
LOL, that $250 million deal for the rights to MJs music for 7 years with Sony in October says different.
Ever since MJ death his estate has become a well oiled machine. They’ve made $825 million since the pedo was planted. Mike was bankrupt when he died, it why he agreed to that crazy O2 arena concert series. His career was dead in the USA thanks to his child raping, horrifying face, creepy child love is the best love interviews and generally bizarre behavior.
Once Mike was out of the way they could finally start turning big profits without his crazy pedo ass runining it.
Read all about it.
The Michael Jackson Estate's Billion-Dollar Turnaround: From $500 Million In Debt to $500 Million in Cash
Nearly seven years after his death, the yawning, half-billion-dollar abyss of debt that Michael Jackson left behind has turned into a mountain of profit whose latest summit was topped this week thanks to a massive payday.
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What contradicting claims in the doco? Got any links to back this up saying something is being removed by the director for air in the UK and AUS? I can’t find anything mentioning it using google
But I don’t recall many “contradicting claims” in the documentary either.
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the jon yaniv thread might have some info, he mostly buys his SM presence and gave some talks about it when he still had a viable business.One of the reasons I started this thread is I hoped some of the tech industry people would give some insight on a ballpark on what the estate has been spending on SEO and social media. I know a lot about producing PR and brand content but not the nuts and bolts that people pay to promote and optimize the content. (Nor do I know what goes into buying likes and followers on SM, which has been going on in spades. The announcement of this documentary being shown at Sundance saw a huge spike in all of that on SM)
This is why I said 85% are paid pro blogs. He definitely has a lot of hardcore loons in his fan base that put up stuff to defend him. But loons don’t put up slick, well-written blogs with perfect formatting...they put up amateur hour shite.
Also his crazy fans tend to focus on hero worship stuff not slogging through minute legal details and small discrepancies of ppl accusing him of molestatng them. They might do a “Mike is innocent” post but not devote a 50 posts to the subject. They won’t write 5,000 words to try and discredit a book written in 1998 about his child fucking.
LOL, that $250 million deal for the rights to MJs music for 7 years with Sony in October says different.
Ever since MJ death his estate has become a well oiled machine. They’ve made $825 million since the pedo was planted. Mike was bankrupt when he died, it why he agreed to that crazy O2 arena concert series. His career was dead in the USA thanks to his child raping, horrifying face, creepy child love is the best love interviews and generally bizarre behavior.
Once Mike was out of the way they could finally start turning big profits without his crazy pedo ass runining it.
Read all about it.
The Michael Jackson Estate's Billion-Dollar Turnaround: From $500 Million In Debt to $500 Million in Cash
Nearly seven years after his death, the yawning, half-billion-dollar abyss of debt that Michael Jackson left behind has turned into a mountain of profit whose latest summit was topped this week thanks to a massive payday.www.billboard.com
Michael Jackson Rebuttal (Part 3): Skeeving Slumberland
If drone photography and awkward pauses were evidence, this film would be the Batcomputer. Part 1: https://youtu.be/6pnoQqlygQs Part 2: https://youtu.be/9yTT...
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The part about a certain dinner happening. The timing and people involved was completely wrong, and the scene is now missing on the UK/AUS versions.
I haven't verified it, but if that is true then it's pretty dodgy.
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(29:23 if the timecode doesn't work)Michael Jackson Rebuttal (Part 3): Skeeving Slumberland
If drone photography and awkward pauses were evidence, this film would be the Batcomputer. Part 1: https://youtu.be/6pnoQqlygQs Part 2: https://youtu.be/9yTT...
The part about a certain dinner happening. The timing and people involved was completely wrong, and the scene is now missing on the UK/AUS versions.
I haven't verified it, but if that is true then it's pretty dodgy.
I can’t watch a YT video at the moment, but don’t recall anything about a dinner on the HBO airing I watched but that’s not so say there wasn’t I just can’t recall. I’ll try to watch the video later.
But to be honest the documentary certainly made no claims about being unbiased. It was a straight forward here are two men’s detailed stories, along with their families recollections, about being abused by MJ. They don’t pretend for a minute to entertain that MJ dinndu nuffin. They are clear on sticking only to the stories about Wade and James. If other boys are shown in the videos or mentioned, they do state if these boys (like Culkin or Jordy) maintain MJ didn’t molest them.
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I saw Michael Jackson at a grocery store in Los Angeles a few years back. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “hee? hee? hee?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly
Edit: Thanks to @2odastream for helping me jogg my memory of that traumatic experience
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “hee? hee? hee?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly
Edit: Thanks to @2odastream for helping me jogg my memory of that traumatic experience
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You should've said he cut you off by saying "hee? hee? hee?"
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The only Dinners I remember being mentioned is the one Wade had right before he Testified at Neverland and again in Vegas where Jackson got drunk and passed out upstairs.
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See I had thought they were going to have dinner in Las Vegas as his home. But MJ just drank wine and they watched TV/ movies. No dinner, Wades wife was with him. They were both just confused by it all.
But now thinking on it I do recall something about Wade - and his mom & family - staying at Neverland the night before Wade was to testify. This might have been what is being referred to since there was a lot of people around, a legal team working full blast so there def would have been a dinner served. I think it was mentioned that MJ was just Stoney faces and silent. Paris pulling on his arm and him just being oblivious was mentioned. (Pretty sure Mike was on so many narcotics and benzos by this point that this behavior would have been the norm 24/7. He looks like a coma patient being nearly carried into court everyday. I even remember him showing up in pajamas when he decided to show up an hour or two late one day for court)