Jurassic Park/World megathread - Spared no expense.

[Headdot Reddot]

I would argue he is another example of chaos and it's dangerous consequences, since he had no knowledge or intent to cause a problem but was instead just trying to interact with the most spectacular thing he could conceive, a living dinosaur.

Its just layers and layers of chaos, which is actually all chaos theory is--a whole bunch of variables. Every character is another unpredictable variable. Hammonds greed for success compels him to bring in a bunch of guests when staff attendance is low to nill, The kids makes a bad situation worse by shining the flashlight, Grants impulsiveness, even the math guys get pwned. Nedry clearly had a precise method laid out which completely failed and Malcolm, despite being correct in predicting the control being attempted wasn't possible was unable to use such knowledge to prevent any of the incidents that happened.

Jurrassic Park, Terminator and many other beloved stories are all just reminders of humanities hubris.

 

[The Mighty Banth]

Jurrassic Park, Terminator and many other beloved stories are all just reminders of humanities hubris

I think this point is the main problem with the Jurassic Park sequels. They also make the "sin" Greed when it's really Pride. It's a modern day Frankenstein story, man placing himself above God not people selling dinosaurs for profit to the military.

 

[ZMOT]

I think this point is the main problem with the Jurassic Park sequels. They also make the "sin" Greed when it's really Pride. It's a modern day Frankenstein story, man placing himself above God not people selling dinosaurs for profit to the military.

wouldn't that be more about hubris and thinking man is able to tame nature?

You’re telling me there’s going to be primitive war miniatures? I guess I’m holding off on buying a new house cuz I just found something better to spend my money on.

pretty sure there are some designs around to 3d-print.
probably not enough for whole different armies, but who knows. didn't check.

 

[The Mighty Banth]

wouldn't that be more about hubris

Hubris is usually defined as unearned pride. To the ancient Greeks, it was the worst thing possible to compare yourself to the gods, since it was elevating yourself too high.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

The main theme of the franchise is mentioned clearly by Malcolm: the scientists were more preoccupied with the idea of being able to do something that they didn't consider if they should do it. Pride, greed, arrogance, it's all combined to blind them and not see the possible negative outcomes that could come out of random factors they purposely ignored.

I don't see that Hammond was greedy in the movie. He was just naive due to his own pride of thinking he could control all aspects of the dinos by just throwing money at it. That's the reason he brought Alan and Ellie. He expected them to say "mmm, the T-Rex is great, but it'd be safer to make a taller fence" and he would accept and order to make a bigger one.

Nedry is greedy. Everybody accepts that he's honest about being underpaid, but we really don't know that. And, even if he was still underpaid, he risked the security of dozens of people just to earn more money doing shady stuff fully knowing he was doing it. Hammond's motivation wasn't the money, but Nedry's was.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Sorry d.p. I hit post too fast.

Easily a normal park goer, or a child, would've done that, too. And for some reason no one foresaw that.

They already saw the danger when Ellie, Grant, and Malcolm escaped their seats to the labs and said they would add some safeties.

Makes the confrontations and contentions between Hammond and Grant fascinating because they're both in the wrong, but Grant was gaining experience being out there

Grant was there for that reasons, also the kids. They needed the park to be tested.

Because, really, would you step out of the car in an island full of dinosaurs? Most adults wouldnt except in a panic moment (like Gennaro), but a child would go as far to touch the fence and get zapped. JW OTOH has kids running free around the park because it was safe.

Malcolm said that kids were unpredictable. Which was indeed proven when the T-Rex went after them due to all the wrong things they did inside the car. Thing is, the Rex shouldn't have escaped in first place nor the conditions they went through should have happened.

Grant is a scientist at the end, and actual scientists move by trial and error. They test things. The JP scientists didn't "test" their dinos. But Grant was a field man, not someone confined to a lab. Same for Ellie and Malcolm a bit. They were there to check the factors they missed, Hammond just didn't expect them to be of the kind they did find.

(IICR, at first Grant said he wasn't sure about the park until he tried the visit. Malcolm was against it from the beginning)

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Also I just remembered about Nedry in the book (I know we're going by the movie canon, but book canon is still pretty interesting) that he was practically being blackmailed by InGen to do as they say lest he would find himself with no other work waiting for him back at home. Taking out a lot of the unethical practices under Hammond to make him more grandfatherly and naïve definitely took out more nuance as to why it was InGen (and of course BioSyn) were shady, but they had to make someone more of a villain to make up for it, and so Nedry became more malicious.

Definitely can see where @Crackersandfleas comes from. This was still from a time when nerds weren't seen in a positive light, after all.

 

[Headdot Reddot]

Also I just remembered about Nedry in the book (I know we're going by the movie canon, but book canon is still pretty interesting) that he was practically being blackmailed by InGen to do as they say lest he would find himself with no other work waiting for him back at home. Taking out a lot of the unethical practices under Hammond to make him more grandfatherly and naïve definitely took out more nuance as to why it was InGen (and of course BioSyn) were shady, but they had to make someone more of a villain to make up for it, and so Nedry became more malicious.

Yup they had little flashes of Hammonds dark side in the film but in the book he IS the bad guy. Nedry, in both the book and movie, is an accomplished programmer that placed a fair bid on a secretive project that experienced project creep (a very common problem.) His complaints were 100% valid and Hammond refused to do what was correct, in the book resorting to threats in the movie resorting to apathy, so Nedry does the next best thing. Its illegal and immoral but lots of us have stolen something minor from employers we don't like; office supplies, food, time. "Thats why I poop on the company time."

They also made the lawyer the other asshole in the film. It sucks cause in the book he gets a legit redemption arc with Muldoons help. I imagine an insecure jew like Spielberg couldn't have that so he went with the stereotypical "bloodsucking lawyer" character and made sure the jew was the coolest guy in the film.

Definitely can see where @Crackersandfleas comes from. This was still from a time when nerds weren't seen in a positive light, after all.

Crichton was a decent writer but not a very good character creater, his strength was more in his plots. I mean Nedry is literally just a lazy anagram of the word "nerdy" and book Ellie, for example, is best described as a blonde with a pair a legs. Malcolm is Crichton himself which is why he gets chapters to preach his gospel.

To be fair, I also like Nedry because Wayne Knight is a pretty nice dude in real life from what I've seen of people who've meet him at signs and conventions. It's a shame he got stuck as the neurotic fat guy for most of his roles.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

It's a shame he got stuck as the neurotic fat guy for most of his roles.

Pigeon-holing is a thing, but Knight did his absolute best in those roles. I don't remember which part it was that made him decide he needed to actually lose weight and keep it off, which is probably why he ended up going more into voice-acting than on-screen acting later on.

 

[Headdot Reddot]

Pigeon-holing is a thing, but Knight did his absolute best in those roles. I don't remember which part it was that made him decide he needed to actually lose weight and keep it off, which is probably why he ended up going more into voice-acting than on-screen acting later on.

Yup, seems to fit the "guys who play bad guys that are actually good guys in real life" arc-type. Marc Alaimino seems to also be one of then. Ken Spacey, of course, is the opposite of this.

 

[MrJokerRager]

I like these lost footage videos.

They should hire these lot to make a proper horror film.

 

[MrJokerRager]

 

[Fucker Carlson]

Saw JWR a couple weeks ago. It's okay. A lot to criticize but I can't bring myself to say that it sucks or I wouldn't watch it again. Still a substantial improvement over Dominion which can barely be considered a dinosaur movie.

Good stuff:

• D-Rex is pretty cool.
• D-Rex isn't just mindlessly aggressive like previous mutants/hybrids, but also isn't blatantly overpowered.
• ScarJo is hot.
• The three protagonists are pretty good, they all have distinct personalities without being flanderized or tacky like previous protagonists.
• Mosasaur and Quetzalcoatlus sections are great. Great job of illustrating these guys' weaknesses while also making it clear that these creatures don't fuck around and will mess you up if given the opportunity.
• I like seeing multiple Spinosaurs working together. The updated design makes Asset 87 look even more nuts by comparison.

Bad:

• Text at the beginning was retarded. Show don't tell.
• The family on the boat was completely unlikeable. Probably worse than previous iterations. I actively wanted them to get eaten the entire movie. I just want one JP movie without an annoying baby (or multiple) forced into it for no reason.
• The random political sperging about healthcare companies was forced and added nothing.
• D-Rex, Mutadon, T-Rex, and Velociraptors don't get nearly enough screen time. For being entirely new creatures, D-Rex and Mutadon don't have nearly enough info given about them. Would have loved some kind of storytelling as for why they weren't just put down as soon as their deformities became apparent.
• T-Rex and regular Raptors only show up in one scene and both get cucked by... newer creatures that also don't get enough screen time.
• Something should have happened during the Titanosaurus section.
• I like the Mutadon as an idea but they fucked up the execution. It doesn't look enough like a raptor, or even a dinosaur.
• No real reason shown for why the facility is abandoned since the D-Rex's door remains closed during the opening fuck-up.

"Rebirth" isn't an appropriate title for this movie. It's more like Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom 2. Which is fine with me but I get might not be fine with a lot of people.

 

[Hugbox Kommissar]

I know it's traditional at this point, but they need to stop putting the kids in danger. Literally no one on earth believes they're actually going to have a scene where the three ton carnivore dismembers and eats the nine year old girl.

Next JP/JW movie: remove kids, add guns.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

I know it's traditional at this point, but they need to stop putting the kids in danger. Literally no one on earth believes they're actually going to have a scene where the three ton carnivore dismembers and eats the nine year old girl.

Next JP/JW movie: remove kids, add guns.

we arent getting an r rated jurassic park movie

 

[AnsemSoD1]

Speaking of Dragons, who would win in a fight and who is cooler, Dragons or Dinos?

 

[Agarathium1066]

I know it's traditional at this point, but they need to stop putting the kids in danger. Literally no one on earth believes they're actually going to have a scene where the three ton carnivore dismembers and eats the nine year old girl.

Next JP/JW movie: remove kids, add guns.

If they had a kid be seriously injured it would shock the hell out of the audience. Kid loses a couple of fingers, or breaks a leg, actually gets slashed or injured. Not just generically grimy it would dispel some of the blatant plot armor. They won't as it will jack up the rating but breaking some of their established rules would refresh things.

 

[#lurker]

>multi-billion dollar facility is defeated by a snickers wrapper
>sauropods exist in new york city
>father takes his family through off limit territory and the only place abundant with dangerous dinosaurs, for no reason
>the boat captain decides to pick up the family instead of getting the sample first, despite the massive detour (aka the script told him so)
>the entire family jumps off the boat right into the dinosaurs chasing them, for no reason
>the crux of pharma man being bad is because he supposedly pushed the girl off the boat, when in reality she pushed him and lost her balance

I question the intelligence of anyone that thought this movie was good.

 

[Headdot Reddot]

we arent getting an r rated jurassic park movie

First one was as close as we'll ever get. It was a horror movie, after all.

 

[Owen Grady]

This just came out three hours ago. Looks like the project isn’t dead. Whether that’s for the better or worse is yet to be seen.

Edit: Just finished watching and the amount of White men who appear to be on the dev team makes me slightly more optimistic, though I still dislike the jeet protagonist.