Judaism Discussion Thread

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Local Farmer dijo:
I am not anti-Semitic per se but My main issue with Judaism is that as a religion it is all about technicalities and letter of the law interpretation of their holy texts. Something Christ himself specifically condemned when talking to the Sanhedrin.

Example: They can’t set fires on Saturdays so what do they do when they need to start their car? They ask someone else (goyim) to start it for them. This is reasonable to Judaic Law as it wasn’t them who started the fire, so they can use it however they please. The law requires women to cover their heads? Well guess what, a wig is a head coverings to. Judaic law is so archaic and draconian that a person would probably collapse in on themselves within a day. In part I don’t blame them for being so successful in law and politics, by consequence of their religion they have been inoculated to it since they were born.

They Jew themselves out of being Jewish and call it faith.
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if god didnt want us to abuse these loopholes, he wouldnt have made them exist in the first place
 
It's a bit of a nerdy way to approach the subject, but I really liked the game the shivah.

In it you play Rabbi Stone, who is suspected of murdering one of the former members of your synagogue. In order to clear your name you have to investigate the murder yourself.

You visit his widow, who hates you. When he decided to marry her, an Indian woman, you refused to sanction the marriage. Though you convince her to help you investigate the murder and she vulnerably asks you if she did it right by how she covered the mirror with a sheet.

You have three options. Unlike other adventure games, you get to see what you say back, but in this one it's a description: "honest response, comforting response, rabbanical response". Rabbanical response is always a question.

I found that interesting and also what Dave Gilbert added in the extra features about the production process. How alone he felt when moved to a city for a while without a jewish community.

You also visit the new synagogue the murder victim in the game went to, and that rabbi. The end of the game is a deadly fist fight with the other rabbi. He is much older, but you are shot in the arms. It's a twist on insult swordfighting and you can win it only if you absorbed sufficient of what it means to be a rabbi. I thought the game very charming.

A serious man is another creative work that gives insight to the inner life of jews and their connection to the inexplicable.
 
Judaism is the only way to find peace.
 
Ughubughughughughughghlug dijo:
I went to a shabbat service and I intend to go to another one, but they really try my patience with how every one of these cocksuckers is a Far Left and anti-White radical.
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That's one of the things that's given me pause when it comes to attending the local synagogue.

I'm interested in building that foundational knowledge of the core Judaic texts, but when other attendees instead prioritize spreading their contemporary political ideology in these spaces, it feels like leap-frogging the faith itself and jumping into telling me how to interpret the world around me.

Fortunately, some synagogues do the online thing now, but it takes away the community aspect. Next best thing might be to pretend to be an oblivious moderate with no real opinions on anything and politely nod when they talk about their nonsense modern social views.
 
Harm dijo:
That's one of the things that's given me pause when it comes to attending the local synagogue.

I'm interested in building that foundational knowledge of the core Judaic texts, but when other attendees instead prioritize spreading their contemporary political ideology in these spaces, it feels like leap-frogging the faith itself and jumping into telling me how to interpret the world around me.

Fortunately, some synagogues do the online thing now, but it takes away the community aspect. Next best thing might be to pretend to be an oblivious moderate with no real opinions on anything and politely nod when they talk about their nonsense modern social views.
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For me it’s religious tourism. I try to do a service at a locally relevant/exotic denomination everywhere I go. I did Savannahs historic Jewish congregation. Now I’m doing Cincinnati, the heart of Reform Jewry. I go in trying to have goodwill. At the Savannah synagogue I could feel the strong presence of God and I thought the singing and the prayers prose was beautiful. It was more naturalistic and psychological than Christian church. But then the service was 100% about Israel dunking on Palestine. This one in Cincinnati will be 100% about White supremacism.

I get myself to Louisville, and they allow, it will be Nation of Islam. That’d be fun.

I’m jacked to visit the Moravians pretty soon.
 
Harm dijo:
That's one of the things that's given me pause when it comes to attending the local synagogue.

I'm interested in building that foundational knowledge of the core Judaic texts, but when other attendees instead prioritize spreading their contemporary political ideology in these spaces, it feels like leap-frogging the faith itself and jumping into telling me how to interpret the world around me.
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I take it there's no Orthodox synagogue near you?

If your only recourse is online, this is a good website that can set you up with a one-on-one study parter:
https://partnersintorah.org/
 
FailurePersonifiedV2 dijo:
You never read either if that's your take.

Like i get it's "neat" to not read but that's not something you should say with no consideration of what you are actually saying.
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No, motherfucker. I actually have read it. The shit described in the Torah is quite literally epic scale massacres, incest, child abuse, more incest and injustice on a cosmic scale due to Yahweh's butthurt. You just accept it because in the west we have been told to accept it. Instead of the proper response, which is "oh thats fucked up, why would I worship this thing", you twist yourself into a pretzel to find ways to call these things good and moral. There are entire books of this shit.
The Talmud in comparison is just a literary version of a Vaush livestream, spread out over volumes the size of an entire wall. Its nowhere near a good thing, but its what you get when you accept the Torah and the god described in it as canon. Fuck around, find out.
 
Althalus dijo:
I have a book by Gerschom Scholem "On the Kabbalah and Its Symbolism". I'm a newfag to the topic, is he a good author and/or are his books worth reading?
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He's fantastic! I highly recommend his other work, 'Sabbatai Sevi: The Mystical Messiah.'

Ughubughughughughughghlug dijo:
I went to a shabbat service and I intend to go to another one, but they really try my patience with how every one of these cocksuckers is a Far Left and anti-White radical.
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Maurice Samuel explained all of that in 'You Gentiles.' Any summary I could give you wouldn't be up to par, but it's cheap and easy to find and a short book.

Harm dijo:
I'm interested in building that foundational knowledge of the core Judaic texts, but when other attendees instead prioritize spreading their contemporary political ideology in these spaces, it feels like leap-frogging the faith itself and jumping into telling me how to interpret the world around me.
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The political ideology is the religion. The religion is essentially a political ideology: "Is this in our ethnic self-interest?"
 
Honest Fan Soni-chan dijo:
The political ideology is the religion. The religion is essentially a political ideology: "Is this in our ethnic self-interest?"
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Judaism isn't about holding any nation, state, or tribe above the Torah; it's about honoring and realizing the Torah in reverence for God, as a community.

GoysGoneWild dijo:
No, motherfucker. I actually have read it.
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Yes. The Torah includes horrific imagery. It doesn't sanitize itself in order to make it more palatable for modern readers. It presents truth, blemishes and all. Human sin, divine judgment, and moral struggle are all vital threads of the tapestry.

Was there incest? Yes, Lot's daughters got their father drunk and raped him in order to impregnate themselves. That's the sins of man, not the ideal of God; it's a story of desperation and trauma. Were there massacres? You're damn right. Survival demanded it. The Torah isn't telling you to take pleasure in it; it's telling the truth. When you're surrounded by violent rivals determined to see your destruction, you either fight to win or you perish. The Torah was by and for people fighting to stay holy in an unholy world, and not philosophers safely holed up in cities. We're not guilty for surviving.

You want a squeaky clean God who always "plays nice?" Go tune into the 700 Club. You want the real deal? He is in the Torah. After all, you may rage against the Torah's moral weight, but you do so with the same anger that God Himself displays. When men like us do it, we call it "righteous anger," but when it comes from the Divine, suddenly it's "butthurt." That's not moral insight. That's projection. The Torah holds a mirror to our souls, and many men throw rocks at that mirror because they don't take pleasure in what they see. Let the mocker mocks! For it is themselves they truly mock.

This all reminds me of the parable of the four men who enter the orchard; the first man perishes, the second goes insane, the third loses his roots, and only the fourth emerges holy. Telling us you read the Torah and you lost your roots shouldn't be a surprise, but the expectation.
 
GoysGoneWild dijo:
No, motherfucker. I actually have read it. The shit described in the Torah is quite literally epic scale massacres, incest, child abuse, more incest and injustice on a cosmic scale due to Yahweh's butthurt. You just accept it because in the west we have been told to accept it. Instead of the proper response, which is "oh thats fucked up, why would I worship this thing", you twist yourself into a pretzel to find ways to call these things good and moral. There are entire books of this shit.
The Talmud in comparison is just a literary version of a Vaush livestream, spread out over volumes the size of an entire wall. It’s nowhere near a good thing, but it’s what you get when you accept the Torah and the god described in it as canon. Fuck around, find out.
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Not sure how’d you rather lean on a religion (Judaism) which finds ways to justify, incest, pedophilia, abuse, murder of other groups that don’t agree with them rather than a historic account of God dealing with His people who were into a lot of bad shit over and over and over.

I know you haven’t read it because Vaush is tame compared to the shit in the Talmud.

Where does the Bible endorse incest? I’ve read it cover to cover many times and I didn’t ever get that idea. You find the very text which endorses child abuse as less offensive than the text that tells of God judging people groups who abuse children.

You’re backwards, a Jew probably
 
Torah is the word of God, so I was told by the same God who told Israel that if they defy Torah, their land means nothing and their kingdom will fall. When Jews elevate ethnic power over divine will, they break Torah. When they break Torah, they face consequences in accordance with the Torah.

The Torah doesn't promise land because you're Jewish; it promises land because you're righteous. God has cast the Jews out before. He has exiled kings, destroyed the Temple, and scattered our people. This wasn't because we failed to act in our ethnic self-interest, but because we were unfaithful to the eternal covenant.
 
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