Culture It Is Possible for 'Eternals' to Be Both Diverse and Bad - I'm still waiting for something diverse and GOOD

Comments from the cast and crew have made Eternals, in the eyes of Marvel fans, synonymous with the idea of diversity in cinema, making criticism of it hard to hear.

Vice (Archive) - November 2, 2021
by, Gita Jackson

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Eternals, the latest offering from the Marvel Cinematic Universe, opens this week. To its most ardent defenders, whether it will be a good or bad movie doesn't seem to matter; to the extent it does, the parameters of what makes a movie "good" or "bad" seem to have been dictated to them by Marvel—which is to say Disney—itself.

Last week, one of the stars of Eternals, Kumail Nanjiani, retweeted an article about the movie being review bombed on the Internet Movie Database by people who objected to it having a same-sex kiss. Nanjiani's tweet read, "looks like we're upsetting the right people." Later that night, he deleted it. (Motherboard reached out to Nanjiani to ask why the tweet was deleted and he did not respond.)

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This wasn’t really a one-off; indeed, much of the marketing and press surrounding this movie makes prominent mention of the diversity of the film's cast and characters. The film features Black and brown actors in lead roles, a deaf character played by a deaf actress, and one hero in its large ensemble cast is openly gay. It's also directed by an Asian woman, Academy Award winner Chloe Zhao. The cast of the film talk about this in interviews, and Marvel boss Kevin Feige touts Eternals' diversity as part of what makes the movie good.

Feige told The Hollywood Reporter, for instance, that having an LGBT relationship “was always sort of inherent in the story and the makeup of the different types of Eternals."

“I think it is extremely well done, and I look forward to that level of inclusion in our future movies being less of a topic," he continued. Comments like these from the cast and crew have made Eternals, in the eyes of Marvel fans, synonymous with the idea of diversity in cinema. This sets up a syllogism convenient to Disney’s interests: Eternals is diverse; diversity is good; therefore Eternals is good.

It is unambiguously good that actors from marginalized groups are getting leading roles in major motion pictures. The unfortunate side effect of that framing, though, means that it is now very difficult, and sometimes almost impossible, to say that Eternals looks like a bad movie without being characterized as someone who hates diversity by the hardest of hardcore Marvel stans. After Eternals got lackluster reviews last week when the press embargo was lifted, Marvel fans have characterized these mediocre reviews as coming from people who don't like that the movie is diverse, as if there were no other conceivable reason anyone might not care for it:

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It is true that Black Panther and Captain Marvel both faced negative reviews and review bombing from people who disliked that the films starred Black people and women, respectively, but those movies were also critically acclaimed. In Eternals's case, it seems like overall the movie is just not great, but because of the way its diversity has been positioned to its fanbase, regular critics are being lumped in with political bad actors.

Characterizing any criticism of this movie as bad for marginalized people is not just myopic, but a sad marketing tactic, carried out by people who aren’t even getting paid for advancing shoddy and cynical arguments. There is a clear need for broader diversity and inclusion in Hollywood, but that also means paying more attention to filmmakers and actors who do not work with Disney and Marvel. Saying that only people that hate diversity don't like Eternals not only doesn’t make sense, it only helps Disney at the end of the day, positioning its marketing needs at the center of an entire art and industry.

Of the reviews of Eternals I've read, most mention that the film feels overly long and overly complicated, but find things to compliment within it, and make a point to mention the film's diversity as a positive. A two-star review from RogerEbert.com praises the film's "natural diversity," but also says the movie is "a bit of a mess." Likewise, Slate's negative review says Eternals is "as sociologically inclusive and as pictorially beautiful as any movie in the franchise," but also that it's "one of the weakest Marvel movies." Movies can just be bad sometimes. I'd prefer to live in a world where someone can make a stinker and still get another job, regardless of their race.
 
The Life of Pi film adaptation got a better theatre attendance and reception from 'diverse' audiences. Surprisingly it topped the box office in China for three weeks, and obviously was the best-performing American film in India for the year.

Critically, it fared well amongst audiences and critics, despite the fact - shocker to the 'woke' crowd, it starred a majority-South Asian cast, was directed by a Taiwanese director, and based on a novel by a White Devil.

Maybe it had something to do with being a good film, but there's no way that's possible, is it?
Too bad the Indian kid exposed himself as a racist asshole on cam with his friends tho lol
 
As I understand it, the Eternals is based on D-List characters.

Have people considered that maybe it’s because it’s about characters only the most hardcore Marvel nerds would even know? I get that Iron Man was not a household name before 2008, but he was well known about Marvel fans.

That might explain lack of interest and poor reviews.
 
As I understand it, the Eternals is based on D-List characters.

Have people considered that maybe it’s because it’s about characters only the most hardcore Marvel nerds would even know? I get that Iron Man was not a household name before 2008, but he was well known about Marvel fans.

That might explain lack of interest and poor reviews.
But then you get people going GOTG THO!!!!!11111oneone!!!

GOTG does not hold up as a film well at all and the humor is extremely cringe. (The Mary Poppins line in the sequel was never funny. Idk why people are obsessed with it) BUT the trailer knew exactly what it was doing and the marketing helped too.

This however? Almost no build up and it really is complete shit. The performances are wooden and even the two leads can't act for their lives.
 
Besides Life of Pi, another movie with diverse characters was Kill Bill. Also, Matrix (all of them). You can dislike them, but at least they made them diverse for reasons within the plot.

As I understand it, the Eternals is based on D-List characters.

Have people considered that maybe it’s because it’s about characters only the most hardcore Marvel nerds would even know? I get that Iron Man was not a household name before 2008, but he was well known about Marvel fans.

That might explain lack of interest and poor reviews.
Iron Man had a cartoon in the 90s. I remember it aired in my country around the time of the X-Men. It was somehow mainstream. And even when I never actually watched it, I knew it existed and I knew about Iron Man.

I've never in my life heard of the Eternals.
 
Besides Life of Pi, another movie with diverse characters was Kill Bill. Also, Matrix (all of them). You can dislike them, but at least they made them diverse for reasons within the plot.


Iron Man had a cartoon in the 90s. I remember it aired in my country around the time of the X-Men. It was somehow mainstream. And even when I never actually watched it, I knew it existed and I knew about Iron Man.

I've never in my life heard of the Eternals.
tbf Iron Man's a Silver Age survivor, has had his starring title since the '60s, and has been one of the most iconic Avengers. He's always had potential to be an A-lister.

Eternals lmao. Maybe if they actually slowly referenced and built them up, but the highest profile Eternal is probably Sersi (if we don't count Thanos).

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She was a main team Avenger for a bit. Her entire story deal was a relationship with long-running Avenger, The Black Knight. (Another woefully underutilized superhero)

It's a shame that Marvel fucked up using Sersi and the Black Knight because they shuffled them to this other Universe called the Ultraverse. It was a very '90s thing that Marvel somehow wound up buying.

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The Ultraverse was more of a bomb than a hit, and the enticing storyline of their relationship is kinda buried in something that probably isn't getting collected bc Ultraverse rights are a mess.

As for the Ultraverse, they had a few media things.

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An Ultraforce Cartoon

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A very '90s era TV show. It even had a Trump cameo.

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Honestly the one reason I'd recommend getting Ultraverse Comics is because James Robinson did a fun run on Firearm.

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That's about it.

There's some creator royalties with the Ultraverse stuff so idk if they'd be able to Segue this into modern Marvel, although the Mouse can certainly afford it. But the reason we never really saw any rise in popularity in the Eternals as a thing is because they blew it on trying to have Sersi/Black Knight's character dynamic salvage the Ultraverse.

Well, they did try to capitalize on the '90s era X-Men craze by inserting some characters into the Ultraverse. No, not anything like a prime X-Man.

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They basically turned Juggernaut into a hero, then proceeded to add a handful of Z-list Mutant villains also becoming heroes.

The entire thing was a mess and I think it kinda made Marvel just push The Eternals to the side as a potential story catalyst just by a 2 degree association with the Ultraverse, despite said Ultraverse not really being all that horrible. (They also threw in Loki, the Infinity Gems/Gauntlet, Grandmaster, and invented a 7th infinity gem. They really tried hard with this but it just never clicked the way they wanted. shame. )
 
It's not super hard to take a superhero, and make it diverse. What's hard is making a superhero diverse and compelling. For example, Miles Morales (black Spiderman) was one of the less well-received iterations of Spiderman owing partly due to the blatant blackwashing, but the Into the Spiderverse movie was a huge hit because audiences could actually relate with the character and his struggles. Spiderverse Miles felt like a real person at times.

Marvel's diverse movies, however, are a blatant cash grab, with all the checkboxes ticked.
 
As I understand it, the Eternals is based on D-List characters.

Have people considered that maybe it’s because it’s about characters only the most hardcore Marvel nerds would even know? I get that Iron Man was not a household name before 2008, but he was well known about Marvel fans.

That might explain lack of interest and poor reviews.
Guardians of the Galaxy were close to D-list and they worked. They even cameo-ed all of the original, pre-Starlord team in the films, when they were definitely D-list.

The problem is that they were running low on quality underused comics and had to pull out not one poorly thought out deus ex machina hero like Danvers as Captain Marvel, but a whole team of them this time.

MCU movies used to work because the heroes they chose plausibly could lose and actually did more often than not before the last Avengers movie where there was absolutely no tension at all. An indestructible, unbeatable hero didn't work in Captain Marvel, a whole giant team of them isn't going to be better, it's going to be worse.
 
To answer the headline's question, yes, yes it is.

Welcome to where most of us were 8 years ago or so.

EDIT: As for the Guardians comparison, I'll throw my two cents in.

Both groups are characters I had never read in comic form prior to appearing in films and had no familiarity with them beyond being aware of the name.

Now here is the difference between The Guardians and The Eternals.

When I saw the first Guardians trailer, it caught my attention. It looked funny, charming, used Hooked on a Feeling to great effect and, most importantly, the characters looked like ones I wanted to get to know! A snarky talking racoon with a gun? A tree man? Blue and green skinned aliens? This looks cool! And sure enough, it was.

The Eternals? I have seen literally nothing about these characters or this story that make it stand out. Everyone looks lifeless and bland. The visuals aren't interesting. There was nothing about it that seemed unique or new to Marvel. Rather, it feels like stripped down barebones versions of stuff we've seen before, like Thor, Captain Marvel, Starlord, and Black Panther all teamed up and then got stripped of everything that makes them memorable. So why should I watch it when there are already better options out there?
 
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Aren't these characters supposed to be beautiful? That tubby black man with the high hair line, flabby face, weak beard and blindingly glossy forehead. Jeez. Also Kumail Nanjiani is pretty gross looking too. It's the bulbous schnozz. He's a shade darker palette swapped antonio lievano.
 
The Titanians were retconned to be Eternals all along, so technically lmao noooo nigga.
I consider myself neither a normie or a hardcore comic fan, but I know some stuff. And I can tell you that even though I know some unpopular characters that most people would say "who?" if they hear of them, I think I've barely ever heard of the Titanians besides some passing comment.

Now, if they ever made a movie about them, fine by me. But don't try to sell them like something most people know or as if they're some ultra mainstream set of characters everybody knows.

Because that's how this Eternals movie feels like. Feels like some nerd is trying to flex their Marvel knowledge at us, except the nerd is in fact some bully pretending to be the nerd because Marvel is trendy now: "what happen, jock? Don't you know who Sprite is?"
 
I consider myself neither a normie or a hardcore comic fan, but I know some stuff. And I can tell you that even though I know some unpopular characters that most people would say "who?" if they hear of them, I think I've barely ever heard of the Titanians besides some passing comment.

Now, if they ever made a movie about them, fine by me. But don't try to sell them like something most people know or as if they're some ultra mainstream set of characters everybody knows.

Because that's how this Eternals movie feels like. Feels like some nerd is trying to flex their Marvel knowledge at us, except the nerd is in fact some bully pretending to be the nerd because Marvel is trendy now: "what happen, jock? Don't you know who Sprite is?"
it's funnier because in terms of "Marvel Knowledge", the Eternals are just kinda Jack Kirby's last rendition of the grand autistic saga he kept trying to tell.

Kinda sucks because Marvel could have made a Secret Empires, Kree-Skrull War, or Shadowlands film but they made an Eternals one.



Titanians were basically this 70s-80s thing where they introduced Thanos, his brother (Avenger and rapist, Starfox), and their parents- Mentor/Sui-San.

Oh yeah there was some big AI Computer on Titan named Isaac.


Let's be real, you've heard of Thanos. You may have heard of Starfox because he's a bit of a meme. You may even halfway remember Mentor as a background character from "The Death of Captain Marvel" and even then.

You don't really associate the Titanians with the Eternals. It made sense narratively in the comics, but the films just use the connection to Thanos to make some kinda weight behind it.



Fuck me, where's my Moon Knight and Luke Cage vs Dracula movie wherein they team up to collect money from Dracula and Dr. Doom. That'd be a hell of an entertaining flick.
 
All Disney needs to do is make a Marvel vs Capcom movie. It may just be my autism, but get the liked characters from Marvel (not the MCU ones) and add some Capcom lunacy. Then find the flimsiest plotline to have them together and make a The Raid style movie.

It's that fucking simple.
 
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