Culture It Is Possible for 'Eternals' to Be Both Diverse and Bad - I'm still waiting for something diverse and GOOD

Comments from the cast and crew have made Eternals, in the eyes of Marvel fans, synonymous with the idea of diversity in cinema, making criticism of it hard to hear.

Vice (Archive) - November 2, 2021
by, Gita Jackson

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Eternals, the latest offering from the Marvel Cinematic Universe, opens this week. To its most ardent defenders, whether it will be a good or bad movie doesn't seem to matter; to the extent it does, the parameters of what makes a movie "good" or "bad" seem to have been dictated to them by Marvel—which is to say Disney—itself.

Last week, one of the stars of Eternals, Kumail Nanjiani, retweeted an article about the movie being review bombed on the Internet Movie Database by people who objected to it having a same-sex kiss. Nanjiani's tweet read, "looks like we're upsetting the right people." Later that night, he deleted it. (Motherboard reached out to Nanjiani to ask why the tweet was deleted and he did not respond.)

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This wasn’t really a one-off; indeed, much of the marketing and press surrounding this movie makes prominent mention of the diversity of the film's cast and characters. The film features Black and brown actors in lead roles, a deaf character played by a deaf actress, and one hero in its large ensemble cast is openly gay. It's also directed by an Asian woman, Academy Award winner Chloe Zhao. The cast of the film talk about this in interviews, and Marvel boss Kevin Feige touts Eternals' diversity as part of what makes the movie good.

Feige told The Hollywood Reporter, for instance, that having an LGBT relationship “was always sort of inherent in the story and the makeup of the different types of Eternals."

“I think it is extremely well done, and I look forward to that level of inclusion in our future movies being less of a topic," he continued. Comments like these from the cast and crew have made Eternals, in the eyes of Marvel fans, synonymous with the idea of diversity in cinema. This sets up a syllogism convenient to Disney’s interests: Eternals is diverse; diversity is good; therefore Eternals is good.

It is unambiguously good that actors from marginalized groups are getting leading roles in major motion pictures. The unfortunate side effect of that framing, though, means that it is now very difficult, and sometimes almost impossible, to say that Eternals looks like a bad movie without being characterized as someone who hates diversity by the hardest of hardcore Marvel stans. After Eternals got lackluster reviews last week when the press embargo was lifted, Marvel fans have characterized these mediocre reviews as coming from people who don't like that the movie is diverse, as if there were no other conceivable reason anyone might not care for it:

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It is true that Black Panther and Captain Marvel both faced negative reviews and review bombing from people who disliked that the films starred Black people and women, respectively, but those movies were also critically acclaimed. In Eternals's case, it seems like overall the movie is just not great, but because of the way its diversity has been positioned to its fanbase, regular critics are being lumped in with political bad actors.

Characterizing any criticism of this movie as bad for marginalized people is not just myopic, but a sad marketing tactic, carried out by people who aren’t even getting paid for advancing shoddy and cynical arguments. There is a clear need for broader diversity and inclusion in Hollywood, but that also means paying more attention to filmmakers and actors who do not work with Disney and Marvel. Saying that only people that hate diversity don't like Eternals not only doesn’t make sense, it only helps Disney at the end of the day, positioning its marketing needs at the center of an entire art and industry.

Of the reviews of Eternals I've read, most mention that the film feels overly long and overly complicated, but find things to compliment within it, and make a point to mention the film's diversity as a positive. A two-star review from RogerEbert.com praises the film's "natural diversity," but also says the movie is "a bit of a mess." Likewise, Slate's negative review says Eternals is "as sociologically inclusive and as pictorially beautiful as any movie in the franchise," but also that it's "one of the weakest Marvel movies." Movies can just be bad sometimes. I'd prefer to live in a world where someone can make a stinker and still get another job, regardless of their race.
 

It Is Possible for 'Eternals' to Be Both Diverse and Bad​

YES
And no the "hate" isn't targeted. Every review has boiled down to "shit's boring, I'd rather watch paint dry".
 
Black Panther was at least a proper superhero movie that followed in-universe lore and characterization without being a virtue signal piece. (Unless you count the all-black casting, but come on, its Wakanda).

Captain Marvel was crap. we know. People only remember it because it introduced Skrulls.

Eternals? I dunno what's being introduced here tbh. It just seems bad. I hope they at least did some proper setup for stuff.

Black Widow is kinda inoffensive mediocrity. I do wish they used her better.

Shang-Chi was ok at best and inoffensive.

Honestly I'm of the opinion that the original 2012 Avengers was crap and that the original wave of MCU trilogies in Iron Man/Cap/Thor were kinda coin flips between decently watchable movies and crap.

Then Captain Marvel came around and proved to be worse than Thor or Thor 2.

Then, the Eternals come around and somehow are worse than Captain Marvel?

nigga, what.
 
It is unambiguously good that actors from marginalized groups are getting leading roles in major motion pictures. The unfortunate side effect of that framing, though, means that it is now very difficult, and sometimes almost impossible, to say that Eternals looks like a bad movie without being characterized as someone who hates diversity by the hardest of hardcore Marvel stans.
Someone's getting cancelled in the near future.
 
If the writer of the article asks a question in the title, it will be yes or no depending on:
  • if the writer's politics align with a yes, then its no.
  • if the writer's politics align with a no, then its yes.
 
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Eternals tells a story no one is interested in about a bunch of characters no one cares about, starring actors no one wants to see. The only real positive thing anyone could come up with for it was "hey! some of these people are BROWN!!!" and that's not as much of a selling point as people like the writer would like to believe.

What I absolutely LOVE about this kind of situation is that brown people are bashing it too. It's not just those gosh darn whites who dislike the movie, it's pretty much anyone with remotely decent taste in film. Also, the writer of this article should look up the word pandering and realize that no one likes it when the attempt is this obvious. Subtlety is a lost art it seems.
 
Wait are you telling me the movie with the trailers of people slowly walking towards the camera and talking with each other then staring at each other and nothing else is boring? What??? How could this happen???

Really, I don't get why this writer is having a crisis. Did they grow up without Tyler Perry movies? Did they never see a shitty Chinese knockoff film? How are you this oblivious?
 
Eternals tells a story no one is interested in about a bunch of characters no one cares about, starring actors no one wants to see. The only real positive thing anyone could come up with for it was "hey! some of these people are BROWN!!!" and that's not as much of a selling point as people like the writer would like to believe.
I‘m still waiting to see the casting of Kumail Nanjiani as an Eternal that becomes a Bollywood actor backfire on them in India, as he is Pakistani.
 
Did they never see a shitty Chinese knockoff film?
I think you touched on something here. One of the reasons Americans think of the film industry as being dominated by white people is because they think Hollywood = all movies. If you consider enormous foreign movie industries like Bollywood and Nollywood their complaints about "lack of diversity in movies" become absurd. And that's the rub with wokeism, it's such a fundamentally America-centric worldview.
 
Black Panther was at least a proper superhero movie that followed in-universe lore and characterization without being a virtue signal piece. (Unless you count the all-black casting, but come on, its Wakanda).
The problem with BP wasn't their all-black casting. I mean, we all understand that most Wakandians are expected to be black and the white cast would be minimal.

The problem was that the crew and actors acted like they were the first production to feature black people ever.

There was really no need of it because the story was good and entertaining. I watched expecting it would suck and despite some flaws, I think it was very ok. Not my favorite MCU movie, but you could see they put a lot of effort on a lot of the details creating Wakanda and the characters. They really need to let their ow work speak for itself.
 
The problem with BP wasn't their all-black casting. I mean, we all understand that most Wakandians are expected to be black and the white cast would be minimal.

The problem was that the crew and actors acted like they were the first production to feature black people ever.

There was really no need of it because the story was good and entertaining. I watched expecting it would suck and despite some flaws, I think it was very ok. Not my favorite MCU movie, but you could see they put a lot of effort on a lot of the details creating Wakanda and the characters. They really need to let their ow work speak for itself.
tbh i was expecting a Coming to America reference in the movie.
 
The Life of Pi film adaptation got a better theatre attendance and reception from 'diverse' audiences. Surprisingly it topped the box office in China for three weeks, and obviously was the best-performing American film in India for the year.

Critically, it fared well amongst audiences and critics, despite the fact - shocker to the 'woke' crowd, it starred a majority-South Asian cast, was directed by a Taiwanese director, and based on a novel by a White Devil.

Maybe it had something to do with being a good film, but there's no way that's possible, is it?
 
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