Is Suicide selfish?

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  • Yes

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Otterly dijo:
Killing yourself when you have people who will be hurt by it is selfish.
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To be fair the people who are "hurt" by someone's suicide never cared to prevent it. They'll ignore the posts, probably ceased contact with said person, never invited them to hang out. They called said depressed person "toxic" or "always negative." Like yeah I understand it gets too much but eventually if you fail to reach out don't act surprised the person off themselves.
 
I tend to say yes.

I used to have them in childhood because I was treated like dirt by other kids. My parents though told me it is an ugly thing.

But I also had thoughts wishing I was dying before it gets worse 1-2 years ago.

This happened after realizing how fucked is the world and I was betrayed by "mainstream media" that established people, leaders are promoting common sense. The old gaslighting where they tell you only a minority are bad people and right -wing opposition makes a big deal of it to promote their agenda .

Got also a severe anxiety because they were trying to ban meat in a city in Netherlands and politicians were having a war against meat and promoting bullshit like less clothes/shopping/ULEZ/C40 cities. Also got scared by what UN Environmental program tried to promote despite being used to believe that extreme views were exaggerated by opposition. And that there is nothing I could do to stop this. That I am a minority.

But If I would do it, my parents and cousins would be heartbroken. They really love me. Also I am afraid of death, because I don't know what happens after it. And maybe there is always a chance it will backfire somehow.

True, there are people that didn't give a shit about suicidal tendencies of other persons. But I believe you would still have somebody who knows you. The first person to discover that you killed yourself might get trauma. Unfortunately, most people that kill themselves are mentally unwell and have their thinking messed up. I also had the mind messed up, thought I was doomed to have a dystopian fate because of my sins.
 
WhimsicalTrolli dijo:
To be fair the people who are "hurt" by someone's suicide never cared to prevent it. They'll ignore the posts, probably ceased contact with said person, never invited them to hang out. They called said depressed person "toxic" or "always negative." Like yeah I understand it gets too much but eventually if you fail to reach out don't act surprised the person off themselves.
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That’s perhaps true for some. It’s certainly not for all. You can do an awful lot for someone, always be there for them, always be around and they can still take their life. It takes a huge toll on the family. At the end of the day it’s their choice.
 
Unless he had children or something, claiming the dude who killed himself should have considered other peoples feelings first comes across a bit like '2 million men torn apart by artillery in war, women most effected'
 
Too often, the people who kill themselves are teenagers who don't know shit about life and who want the pity and adoration of their friends and loved ones. These kids are stupid and deserve to be sit down in the afterlife and forced to watch all of the awesome things they could have done in their lives if they hadn't been such self-pitying morons. Then they should be forced to work washing dishes and mucking the floors in Hell's McDonalds for 1000 years.
 
Suicide is selfless. But that's my perspective. Why waste living a life where no one understands or cares about you, shit mental health or debilitating disorders that robbed you the opportunity to form connections.
 
WhimsicalTrolli dijo:
Suicide is selfless. But that's my perspective. Why waste living a life where no one understands or cares about you, shit mental health or debilitating disorders that robbed you the opportunity to form connections.
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If you kill yourself, you surrender your entire life to your own ego and refusal to accept the conditions of life that you were given, you surrender yourself to the devil and he wins.

I don't know about you, but I don't see what's so great about handing a victory over to the guy who's most known for hating (you), me, everyone and everything that's in creation except himself, especially when he won't even get anything out of it in the end because the devil can't win against the God of victory when he couldn't even win against Mikhail.
 
I used to think it was a selfish cop-out. With all the mentally ill and degenerates we have become infested with, I now say fucking do it. They should remove themselves from the equation, and not be a burden on their families, or society. Not very christian of me, but the world is in a disgusting, immoral, and downright wrong state.
 
WhimsicalTrolli dijo:
The devil won a long time ago.
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That's another trick that you've fallen for. The Devil has yet to win absolutely anything, and if it ever seems like he's won, it's only because the Lord has granted him permission to ramp things up in order to give Christians a reason to strengthen their prayer; under communism, the Church was choked within an inch of its life, but at the same time the sheer amount of saints that came out of the communist regime, not just in Russia but in the Ukraine, Romania etc is only comparable to the martyrs that came out of the roman empire prior to Constantine's conversion; the worse it looks for Christians, paradoxically the more fervor that they get.

The devil literally cannot win in the end. He's doomed to fail and always has been. Don't give him what he wants because all you'd be doing is throwing your life away for no reason at all.
 
Like often, it all comes down to the definition, I want to be technical about it: "selfish" can be defined as "lacking consideration for other people".

If we take that as a premise, then if the person suicides while doing this (willingly or negligently not considering other people's feelings/situations as a result), then they fall under the criteria.

Now, the degree of how selfish one can be by doing this is another separate argument.
As this gradient is subjective, I'll give my own standards; the level of selfishness is weighted mainly by 2 things: how negative will the impact be for the people affected by this death (e.g: there's greater impact if this person had a family with kids, as opposed as if they're alone), and added to that, if the reason for the suicide is considerable enough or not in order to decide to do so, against its consequences.

E.g (1): a single father deciding to take his life because of depression, leaving his young kids alone and at risk of having a crippled childhood, or even dying.
- I'd consider this relatively very highly selfish.

E.g (2): a lonely person with family and friends (but they don't see much nor have deep emotional connections), and they're about to be homeless or something, or a major illness that will really affect their lifestyle.
- I'd consider this not very selfish.

As you can see (in my opinion), OP's question can be answered either way ("yes" or "no") depending on the context and if the definition applies. Then if the answer is "yes", subjective criteria will determine the degree of selfishness.
 
We Are The Witches dijo:
Like often, it all comes down to the definition, I want to be technical about it: "selfish" can be defined as "lacking consideration for other people".

If we take that as a premise, then if the person suicides while doing this (willingly or negligently not considering other people's feelings/situations as a result), then they fall under the criteria.

Now, the degree of how selfish one can be by doing this is another separate argument.
As this gradient is subjective, I'll give my own standards; the level of selfishness is weighted mainly by 2 things: how negative will the impact be for the people affected by this death (e.g: there's greater impact if this person had a family with kids, as opposed as if they're alone), and added to that, if the reason for the suicide is considerable enough or not in order to decide to do so, against its consequences.

E.g (1): a single father deciding to take his life because of depression, leaving his young kids alone and at risk of having a crippled childhood, or even dying.
- I'd consider this relatively very highly selfish.

E.g (2): a lonely person with family and friends (but they don't see much nor have deep emotional connections), and they're about to be homeless or something, or a major illness that will really affect their lifestyle.
- I'd consider this not very selfish.

As you can see (in my opinion), OP's question can be answered either way ("yes" or "no") depending on the context and if the definition applies. Then if the answer is "yes", subjective criteria will determine the degree of selfishness.
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About your first example, I was watching The Shed (a vampire movie), and The Lodge. Both involve a parent offing themselves. In The Shed, it was the dad, and in The Lodge, it was the mum. Shite made me angry, like, you know, try to have the will to stick around for your kids, you weak, selfish cunts! Sorry. Countless people have done this sort of thing. Like, for example, my paternal grandad:

He was a lazy, self-medicating manic-depressive mess as a young man, and barely saw my dad and my uncle, wandered the Earth basically, and even after he settled down again, and had two other sons, he still killed himself somewhere in his 40s (mid to late 40s at the most).
 
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