Is Suicide selfish?

[Burgers in the ass]

One of the more interesting debates on suicide is the issue of whether suicide is a Self-fish act or not.
So, Kiwis, Is it Selfish or no?
I'd say some methods of suicide are pretty selfish, like suicide by cop or getting hit by a train.

 

[Sergeant Politeness]

Yeah, it is. With the exception of people with terminal illnesses, your problems are not so bad that suicide is anything but fucking ridiculous. Losing someone fucking sucks, and if you're willing to let the people around you go through that just because you think you have it like shit, you're selfish.

I remember around 2011 or so, when the wave of gay teens killing themselves started with that one fruitcake who unknowingly got filmed having gay sex and people were calling it a "brave" act. It's not brave, it's fucking cowardly. It's admitting defeat and putting everyone around you through a big pit of bullshit because people were making fun of you on the internet.

 

[DumbDosh]

It's selfish, but what's more selfish are the attention whores that come out in response to suicides and try to make it about them.

 

[m0rnutz]

It depends. I'd elaborate on this point, but it would clock my powerlevel at above 8000.

It comes down to why you do it, who it will affect, what your motives are, and what influencing factors have lead you to this course of action.

If you kill yourself because the stock market crashes, you're a fucking retard. If you do it because you have cancer and the pain of going through chemo isn't worth suffering the five months the doctors have estimated you will live, that's a totally different scenario, and anyone could relate to not wanting to suffer in a masochistic manner.

Scout Schultz for example is a selfish suicide. That one was an attempt to make himself a martyr for the LGBT community, which his parents also assisted in doing for anti-cop rhetoric. Hitler is another selfish suicide, because he was a pussy and afraid of the Russians buttfucking him up the ass with their rifles.

Basically any time you kill yourself because life isn't going your way, it's selfish nature. There are very rare cases where suicide is humble, and those are few and far in between. Not even depressed people have a reason to kill themselves, if all they have is that they are sad with life.

 

[Star Wormwood]

If you do it because you have cancer and the pain of going through chemo isn't worth suffering the five months the doctors have estimated you will live, that's a totally different scenario, and anyone could relate to not wanting to suffer in a masochistic manner.

It's still selfish in that scenario, you're still taking the easy way out because you're trying to avoid suffering. It's more understandable from a logical sense (hell I can't say I wouldn't do it), but I find it hard to believe that offing yourself before your time would make things any easier for the people around you, emotionally or otherwise. I find it hard to imagine anytime where suicide is selfless outside of some crazy fringe cases, since the very thought of suicide usually comes about from a desire to run away from your problems. I'm not counting the Japanese idea of sudoku here, that shit's retarded.

The only time I can think of where suicide wasn't selfless was when that Vietnamese monk set himself on fire to protest the war. It was both an effective form of protest and a sick ass RAtM album cover.

tl;dr: Dont kill yourself kids it's a dick move, unless it'll make a rad album cover then I guess I'm fine with it.

 

[BlueSpark]

I think it depends on the circumstances,

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

Guilt-tripping suicidially depressed people is fucking obnoxious, though.

 

[Y2K Baby]

Not really, and even if it was, that's a completely autistic thing to say and an entirely worthless sentiment to have. It's the most virtue-signaling platitude of all time.

 

[Morose_Obesity]

If you throw your ass in front of the train at rush hour and make everybody late for work, yeah, it is

 

[Terror Rism]

if even 1 sane person truly cares about you and values your place in their life more than *at all*, it's incredibly selfish in any situation that isn't the aforementioned terminal illnesses. you're putting the "sad feelings that hurt so bad " over someone having to live decades with the knowledge that they lost someone close to them and couldn't do anything about it
it doesn't even help anyone understand you, or make anyone feel bad for hurting you
people that didn't give a shit before will continue to not give a shit, and people that care will be irrevocably devastated
for the half-mentally ill, suicide is a tool they try to use to feel power over others, for fully mentally ill people, they don't even understand that they're hurting other people that care (usually a nonzero number)

the only time suicide is unselfish is when you truly, logically have no one existing that would care if you live

i mean except if you're autistic then lol who cares

 

[Cthulu]

Not if they fucking deserve it

 

[m0rnutz]

I'm not counting the Japanese idea of sudoku here, that shit's exceptional.

Seppeku you mean?

 

[Burgers in the ass]

Seppeku you mean?

No, sudoku, as in that brain teaser with all the number, the Japanese sometimes use these brain teasers to frustrate themselves to death.

Flew over your head, dumbdumb. Eat my butt.

Youre a poopoo head

 

[Burgers in the ass]

Don't be selfish

 

[Sperglord Dante]

What's more selfish, ending your own life without caring that your beloved ones will suffer afterwards...or making your beloved ones live miserable existences just so you don't have to deal with the suffering of their deaths?

 

[AnOminous]

So if someone kills themselves and leaves their family and close friends to deal with the pain, that's not selfish? How do you figure?

Suppose you have Alzheimer's. If you're "lucky" enough to live a few years, your family gets to see you degenerate into a gibbering vegetable that is nothing like the person they knew. Plus any money you've saved up to be able to leave your kids an inheritance? That all gets sucked out of you by the medical establishment, all so you can live a miserable, pathetic existence without even your mind.

How is a nice clean bullet not better than that?

 

[Sergeant Politeness]

Suppose you have Alzheimer's. If you're "lucky" enough to live a few years, your family gets to see you degenerate into a gibbering vegetable that is nothing like the person they knew. Plus any money you've saved up to be able to leave your kids an inheritance? That all gets sucked out of you by the medical establishment, all so you can live a miserable, pathetic existence without even your mind.

How is a nice clean bullet not better than that?

I said this in my original post.

With the exception of people with terminal illnesses

Alzheimer's fucking scares me, and I don't blame someone for not wanting to put themselves or their loved ones through that. I mean absolute faggots who whine about their life sucking for any actually fixable reason--that's selfish.

 

[HG 400]

Yeah, it is. With the exception of people with terminal illnesses, your problems are not so bad that suicide is anything but fucking ridiculous. Losing someone fucking sucks, and if you're willing to let the people around you go through that just because you think you have it like shit, you're selfish.

Everyone dies. It's the most natural thing in the world, and we all have to learn to deal with our loved ones dying. It's sad, and then you get over it, because that's what people do. If honestly you think people should feel obligated to suffer through a miserable life they don't want to live just so you don't have to deal with being sad for a few weeks, you're the selfish one.

 

[Sergeant Politeness]

Everyone dies. It's the most natural thing in the world, and we all have to learn to deal with our loved ones dying. It's sad, and then you get over it, because that's what people do. If honestly you think people should feel obligated to suffer through a miserable life they don't want to live just so you don't have to deal with being sad for a few weeks, you're the selfish one.

Okay, even disregarding the "few weeks" bit (people can take a lot longer to process grief, but I'll concede it), what's a good reason to kill yourself? I can't think of one. To what degree should your life suck before it becomes reasonable? Poverty? The loss of friends or loved ones? Feeling lonely or isolated? Never amounting to anything?

Yeah, death isn't the end of things. You can move on, but so can the people killing themselves. Most of the reasons people kill themselves are trivial, not permanent, or fixable. I'm not even saying easily fixable, but fixable. If there's a way out that doesn't involve doing a flip, why not do that instead? Isn't that infinitely less selfish?

 

[KickyerArsene]

It's your own life. You're free to do with it as you want, is my stance.