Is Suicide selfish?

[GS 281]

I feel it is responsible for a person who is considering suicide to seek some form of counseling before doing it. Not everyone will benefit from therapy, but therapy has helped many people change their perspective.

That isn't the question, though. The question is whether the act of suicide is selfish, and I feel to a degree it is, but most things we do are selfish. Most people have at least one person dependent on them in some way or another. We may be an important part of a small business, the mother or father for a young child, etc. and there are people whose lives will be altered if we make the choice to end our lives.

I feel that the problem with this question is the connotation that selfishness is bad or that it makes someone a bad person to do something that concludes with an outcome that is beneficial to themselves, but not others around them. We cannot expect that people will choose inaction over an action that will end their pain if that action will also cause us pain. It is wrong to expect the altruistic act of someone choosing to live in intense physical or mental pain because if they were to end it we would feel pain. Even if someone is not in pain and they feel no purpose, it would be just as wrong to want them to stay in this life as it would be to want someone to stay in a loveless relationship. Even more so actually.

It would be nice if science developed solutions to everyone's physical and psychological pain, but we aren't there yet and if we do get there it won't be in our lifetimes. But yes, suicide is, to some degree selfish, but at the same time, if a person does commit the act, they are not bad or necessarily wrong. It is their life and they should feel free to do what they want with it.

 

[Matthew Moulton]

There are a number of major driving factors behind suicide, including various forms of brain damage, psychosis, stress, depression, frustration, pain, fear, feeling a lack of control, infuriation, confusion, myopic mental processes (unable to see beyond the "here and now", common in kids/teens) and of course psychosocial factors.

Those last ones being the real nasty bitch of it all. Our society has reached a point of effectively glamorizing suicide as a convenient means of "getting back" at people you don't like, or people you feel have slighted you. This is especially prevalent in trannies and teen suicides, where everyone and everything is always pitted with blame and ridden with guilt. People learn, on a social level, that killing yourself becomes a viable weapon for cowards to eternally lash out at those around them.

In my opinion, those who kill themselves in such a fashion are the effective equivalent of emotional suicide bombers or emotional terrorists.

Now while it is true that bullying has the POTENTIAL to inflict stress and depression that driving force is fueled entirely by personal perceptions. Whether YOU CHOOSE to be a "victim". There's a saying... "the only one who can hurt you with words, is you". That is to say, you are always in direct control of your emotional state. You can CHOOSE to NOT be a "victim", you can CHOOSE to ignore and disregard negative opinions of others.

You have that choice... every person does. And, yes, at the present point in time, in many 1st world nations like the US, it is certainly POPULAR to play the role of "victim", however that is entirely a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.

But, keep in mind, it's not one that can be easily dismantled. I know, I tried, hence that fun image I posted earlier. Best of intentions... did not go over well. Wound up turning a parent who lost a kid to suicide into becoming PRO-suicide and then she went around desperately trying to convince depressed people to kill themselves... it was really bad!

There is also some measure of possibility that some suicides are a result of a kind of genetic fail safe... basically it might be possible that, on a genetic level, your body inherently realizes its an evolutionary dead end and, as such, may trigger massive depression and suicidal states, especially in adolescence, in an effort to prevent you from breeding and passing on inferior traits.

Pain is probably the worst thing, especially right now because they've started a witch hunt against pain meds as a means of trying to keep their over the counter non-prescription sleep aids from being exposed. Upwards of SIXTY PERCENT of all inadvertent opiate analgesic overdose deaths are a result of CROSS COMBINATIONS of drugs... the most prolific being those stupid ass over the counter non-prescription sleep aids... but those drugs are a multi-BILLION dollar a year powerhouse industry for Failing Pharma, so they've chosen to fuck over a significant chunk of the population to keep their profits up.

Most pain charts only go up to 10 (the point at which your tear ducts start reacting autonomically), but I have my own pain chart that goes up to 15...

11 - Paralyzing Pain - Pain so bad that it prevents you from even moving.

12 - Suicidal Ideations - Endless, unending pain so bad suicide starts looking like a viable option.

13 - Rampage - Endless pain so bad that you lose your sense of self and become insane/deranged as a result... potentially temporary. This often manifests in the form of causing physical injury to yourself to try and stop the pain, whether stabbing yourself with a knife, smashing your head into a wall, inadvertantly overdosing on Tylenol, etc.

14 - Blacking Out - Intense/sudden pain so bad you lose consciousness. I've only had this happen once with pain, although I've had it happen a couple times with panic attacks.

15 - Torture. Using chemical agents like Modafinil to keep the person from blacking out.

On the torture side you can also use drugs like Bradykinin to over-stimulate the nervous system to enhance pain to its fullest extent.

...although I don't recommend trying that. You'd have to inject the Bradykinin directly into the brain and/or nervous system to achieve maximum results. Insanely enough, they've actually done some limited testing on this (although they gave them morphine afterwards)...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC223509/

If you do want to kill yourself though, I recommend HELIUM. It's the most painless and arguably the cheapest way to die at this point. Basically it's suffocation without actually feeling like you're suffocating. You just get giggly and light headed and then peacefully pass out and die. I honestly don't understand why they don't use it for the death penalty, especially amidst all the current chemical controversy/cost and shit... although I guess they don't want death row inmates to die in the most peaceful way possible.

 

[CatParty]

There are a number of major driving factors behind suicide, including various forms of brain damage, psychosis, stress, depression, frustration, pain, fear, feeling a lack of control, infuriation, confusion, myopic mental processes (unable to see beyond the "here and now", common in kids/teens) and of course psychosocial factors.

Those last ones being the real nasty bitch of it all. Our society has reached a point of effectively glamorizing suicide as a convenient means of "getting back" at people you don't like, or people you feel have slighted you. This is especially prevalent in trannies and teen suicides, where everyone and everything is always pitted with blame and ridden with guilt. People learn, on a social level, that killing yourself becomes a viable weapon for cowards to eternally lash out at those around them.

In my opinion, those who kill themselves in such a fashion are the effective equivalent of emotional suicide bombers or emotional terrorists.

Now while it is true that bullying has the POTENTIAL to inflict stress and depression that driving force is fueled entirely by personal perceptions. Whether YOU CHOOSE to be a "victim". There's a saying... "the only one who can hurt you with words, is you". That is to say, you are always in direct control of your emotional state. You can CHOOSE to NOT be a "victim", you can CHOOSE to ignore and disregard negative opinions of others.

You have that choice... every person does. And, yes, at the present point in time, in many 1st world nations like the US, it is certainly POPULAR to play the role of "victim", however that is entirely a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT.

But, keep in mind, it's not one that can be easily dismantled. I know, I tried, hence that fun image I posted earlier. Best of intentions... did not go over well. Wound up turning a parent who lost a kid to suicide into becoming PRO-suicide and then she went around desperately trying to convince depressed people to kill themselves... it was really bad!

There is also some measure of possibility that some suicides are a result of a kind of genetic fail safe... basically it might be possible that, on a genetic level, your body inherently realizes its an evolutionary dead end and, as such, may trigger massive depression and suicidal states, especially in adolescence, in an effort to prevent you from breeding and passing on inferior traits.

Pain is probably the worst thing, especially right now because they've started a witch hunt against pain meds as a means of trying to keep their over the counter non-prescription sleep aids from being exposed. Upwards of SIXTY PERCENT of all inadvertent opiate analgesic overdose deaths are a result of CROSS COMBINATIONS of drugs... the most prolific being those stupid ass over the counter non-prescription sleep aids... but those drugs are a multi-BILLION dollar a year powerhouse industry for Failing Pharma, so they've chosen to fuck over a significant chunk of the population to keep their profits up.

Most pain charts only go up to 10 (the point at which your tear ducts start reacting autonomically), but I have my own pain chart that goes up to 15...

11 - Paralyzing Pain - Pain so bad that it prevents you from even moving.

12 - Suicidal Ideations - Endless, unending pain so bad suicide starts looking like a viable option.

13 - Rampage - Endless pain so bad that you lose your sense of self and become insane/deranged as a result... potentially temporary. This often manifests in the form of causing physical injury to yourself to try and stop the pain, whether stabbing yourself with a knife, smashing your head into a wall, inadvertantly overdosing on Tylenol, etc.

14 - Blacking Out - Intense/sudden pain so bad you lose consciousness. I've only had this happen once with pain, although I've had it happen a couple times with panic attacks.

15 - Torture. Using chemical agents like Modafinil to keep the person from blacking out.

On the torture side you can also use drugs like Bradykinin to over-stimulate the nervous system to enhance pain to its fullest extent.

...although I don't recommend trying that. You'd have to inject the Bradykinin directly into the brain and/or nervous system to achieve maximum results. Insanely enough, they've actually done some limited testing on this (although they gave them morphine afterwards)...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC223509/

If you do want to kill yourself though, I recommend HELIUM. It's the most painless and arguably the cheapest way to die at this point. Basically it's suffocation without actually feeling like you're suffocating. You just get giggly and light headed and then peacefully pass out and die. I honestly don't understand why they don't use it for the death penalty, especially amidst all the current chemical controversy/cost and shit... although I guess they don't want death row inmates to die in the most peaceful way possible.

you should suicide

 

[Syaoran Li]

Without power-leveling too much, I have lost loved ones to suicide and it does hurt deeply. In fact, it's sort of a recurring trend in my family history, but as to the question of whether or not suicide is selfish, in all honesty, it depends on the context.

In most cases, I would say yes. But there are certain exceptions, most notably terminal illnesses. So, I honestly do not know what to say on this beyond that.

 

[Hui]

Do it.

 

[AnOminous]

If you want to kill yourself, seek help. You're probably just throwing a massive tantrum that's easily solvable with medicine because your brain refuse to produce (or produces too much) of some stupid chemical. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's kind of beside the point to describe most people who kill themselves in that situation, because of untreated mental illness, as "selfish," because their suicidal ideation is actually part of the illness, and the refusal or discontinuation of treatment is itself also part of the illness. Severe depression isn't just a mood disorder. It often hits cognitive abilities as well, so people who commit suicide in that state just aren't thinking straight, making good decisions, or even having a full grasp on what's even going on.

 

[sbm1990]

If you do want to kill yourself though, I recommend HELIUM. It's the most painless and arguably the cheapest way to die at this point. Basically it's suffocation without actually feeling like you're suffocating. You just get giggly and light headed and then peacefully pass out and die. I honestly don't understand why they don't use it for the death penalty, especially amidst all the current chemical controversy/cost and shit... although I guess they don't want death row inmates to die in the most peaceful way possible.

I agree it is, the only problem though is that alot of helium providers don't fill their tanks with pure helium, as most of them are filled with a mix of both helium and oxygen. I suppose alot of these helium companies have caught on to the fact that some people will deliberately use helium to commit suicide, and thus started watering their tanks down, so to speak, in an effort to prevent people from using their tanks to off themselves. I suppose if one wants to use a helium tank/exit bag, they should inquire and confirm that the tank they plan on purchasing is infact pure helium.

 

[AnOminous]

I agree it is, the only problem though is that alot of helium providers don't fill their tanks with pure helium, as most of them are filled with a mix of both helium and oxygen. I suppose alot of these helium companies have caught on to the fact that some people will deliberately use helium to commit suicide, and thus started watering their tanks down, so to speak, in an effort to prevent people from using their tanks to off themselves. I suppose if one wants to use a helium tank/exit bag, they should inquire and confirm that the tank they plan on purchasing is infact pure helium.

I don't think that's a terribly good idea. It will drive people to use carbon monoxide instead, which unlike helium, presents a significant risk to bystanders/first responders.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Suicide isn't a matter of 'good' or 'bad', putting a moral compass on it just complicates things, like trying to rationalize the criminally insane. Crazy isn't why, crazy just is. Suicide is just another aspect of death we're suffering in an attempt to understand.

If we were to simplify things, suicide would be the humane solution to constant agony, in all forms.

Again, simplifying things.

 

[LofaSofa]

I'm surprised such a large majority of people are divided on this. Very good deep thoughts op 10/10 burgers in the ass.

 

[AnOminous]

There's been too little shitposting in this thread.

 

[ForgedBlades]

Spoiler

Go ahead and slap powerlevel ratings on this shit, I don't care.

My younger brother shot himself dead eight years ago at 18 years old. And a close friend of mine purposely drove himself into a telephone pole when we were sophomores in high school.

I have experience in this field.

I guess the way I cope with it is by telling myself that suicide is not a black and white issue. You can't slap simple labels on it. It's complex, and difficult to wrap your head around.

You can go crazy trying to parse it down into a simple answer. And the survivor's guilt can eat you alive. It did to my mom.

And that's the difference between this and every other form of death. You ask yourself why you didn't stop it. Why the gun wasn't locked up. You play every second preceding the act back, wondering why you didn't notice something was wrong. And it can literally drive you insane.

The way I look at it, the way that I HAVE to look at it is, he died as a result of an illness. Just like people with cancer sometimes die. He had an illness and it killed him. Period.

He wasn't a coward, he wasn't selfish. People with cancer aren't selfish cowards. He just lost a battle to an illness.

 

[AnOminous]

You can trust Carlin to be hilarious about suicide.

If you just have a minute, you can skip to the end for the best suicide note ever.

 

[HG 400]

I have experience in this field.

Pretty much everyone has experience in this field. Suicides aren't rare. I would honestly be surprised to meet anybody over the age of 25 or so who has never had a loved one commit suicide.

In the end though, people fall into two camps when dealing with it. Some people are reasonable, compassionate, understanding human beings who accept reality and move on with their lives. And some people are screeching crying selfish babies who want to yell at a corpse for inconveniencing them.

 

[admiral]

Making some cop shoot you because you're too much of a pusscake to do it yourself is selfish. If you're going to ake yourself and everyone around you miserable because of your illness, mental or otherwise, I think suicide is the kinder option. When you're depressed/anorexic/brain damaged/whatever, those closest to you are suffering with you.

 

[Ruminous]

Is it Selfish or no?

It depends entirely on the circumstances. In most cases where it's driven by depression I would say yes, it is primarily an act of self-fulfillment at the expense of your friends and family. A selfless person would put on a mask and play the part of a happy individual for the sake of others.

Where my parents grew up there was an incredibly high rate of suicide among farmers. The reason was because crops would fail and the head of household would be faced with a choice- let the family farm go under and get repossessed by the bank, or kill themselves, letting their sons inherit the land and collect the life insurance. In these circumstances suicide was not a selfish act.

 

[Unheard Bird]

No. Genuine mental illness can cloud rational thought and make people feel as though it's their only option.

 

[Syaoran Li]

In all honesty, I believe suicide is not selfish intentionally, as it is often a result of debilitating mental illness such as severe depression. It is only selfish through consequence, with the effect it has on the victim's loved ones.

So, I don't think suicidal people are deliberately selfish. It's just that their actions have consequences that seem selfish to the survivors.

And then you've got the terminally ill who are completely blameless for wanting to die on their own terms.

 

[MG 192]

No, at least not inherently.

We should legalize euthanasia or assisted suicide nationwide. Terminally ill patience with an untreatable disease should not be forced to live because "muh morals".

Now most reasons for suicides are selfish, but reasons such as being terminally ill are not and in those cases, justify death if the person is ready to end what will inevitably be a quick death.

 

[Zarkov]

No, do it faggot.