EU Holocaust memorial with 'victim ashes' erected in Berlin - German Art Group digs up the ashes of Holocaust Victims, and puts them on display in protest against the Nazis. Jews horrified.

Article: https://www.dw.com/en/holocaust-memorial-with-victim-ashes-erected-in-berlin/a-51499472

Holocaust memorial with 'victim ashes' erected in Berlin

German activists who installed the memorial say it contains a soil sample with the human remains of Holocaust victims. The group wants to send a message to Angela Merkel's conservatives: Don't work with the far-right.

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An art installation that claims to contain the ashes of Nazi victims appeared outside Germany's parliament on Monday.

The memorial is part of a new campaign launched by art-activist collective Zentrum für Politische Schönheit (Center for Political Beauty) called "Come look for us!"

The group says it spent two years digging up soil and testing rivers near areas where the "Nazis perfected and industrialized mass murder."

"At one of the horrific sites we found ashes and bone char a meter deep. This column contains the sample from this soil that has been preserved for all eternity."

Dubbed the "Resistance Column," the solemn gray cylinder is partly illuminated from the inside with an orange light — giving viewers a chance to look at the soil sample contained inside.

Defending against criticism about desecrating human remains, the group said in a statement: "There were no graves where we sampled the soil."

A message to Merkel's conservatives

Although the activist artists say the memorial is designed to remember Holocaust victims, it's also intended to send a message to German Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives about the dangers of working with the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD).

"The only likely path to power for the AfD is through the conservatives," the Center for Political Beauty said.

Merkel's center-right Christian Democrats (CDU) and their Bavarian sister party the Christian Social Union (CSU) have ruled out working with the far-right on a national and state-wide level.

At the local level, however, the success of the AfD has led some CDU politicians to team up with the far-right. Recently, a group of CDU politicians in the eastern state of Thuringia called for talks with "all democratically elected parties."

The Center for Political Beauty said it picked the location for its Holocaust memorial carefully. Located between the Bundestag and the chancellery, the artwork stands where the Kroll Opera House once stood — the site where German members of parliament gave dictator Adolf Hitler virtually unlimited authority in 1933.

Jewish community calls memorial 'problematic'

The Central Council of Jews in Germany said although it welcomes political protests to combat the rise of the far right, the memorial in Berlin raises several concerns.

"From a Jewish perspective, the Center for Political Beauty's latest campaign is problematic because it violates Jewish religious law about not disturbing the dead," council president Josef Schuster told DW in a statement.

He noted that if the human remains in the soil sample are actually Jewish victims of the Holocaust, then Jewish religious leaders need to be consulted on the best way to deal with those remains.

"It would be a welcome gesture if a rabbi were consulted when dismantling the 'Resistance Column' in order to ensure at least a respectful and correct handling of the ashes according to halacha," Schuster added.

Police have only granted permission for the memorial to remain in place until Saturday. The activists have put out a call for collections so they can pour concrete to make the memorial permanent.

Searching for remains

The Center for Political Beauty said it collected over 240 samples from 23 locations across Germany as well as in previously Nazi-occupied areas in Poland and Ukraine.

Lab results found traces of human remains in over 70% of the samples, the group said in a statement.

The samples were taken from areas near Auschwitz, Sobibor, Treblinka and other sites of Nazi German concentration camps where the ashes and remains of victims were spread in nearby fields and rivers.

At Auschwitz-Birkenau, the largest Nazi death camp, over 1.1 million victims — including some 1 million Jewish prisoners — were killed. The ashes of hundreds of thousands of bodies were disposed of in the lakes and grounds surrounding the camp.

The artists' collective is known for its headline-grabbing protest pieces — particularly for setting up a replica of Berlin's Holocaust memorial outside the house of AfD politician Björn Höcke in 2017.

Earlier that year Höcke dubbed the memorial in Berlin as a "monument of shame" and has called for a reversal of Germany's culture of remembrance surrounding the Holocaust.

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A...bold idea, as a protest, however the general reaction to this brilliant act of corpse desecration doesn't seem to be what our wacky heroes anticipated...

Article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50671213

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A German activist group has apologised for displaying what it claimed to be Holocaust victims' ashes in a memorial near the German parliament in Berlin.

The Centre for Political Beauty (ZPS) opened the anti-Nazi installation on Monday to mobilise the public against modern-day far-right extremism.

Now it says it will cover up the transparent urn containing ashes.

The work was criticised by some Jewish leaders and the International Auschwitz Committee, who found it insensitive.

The Nazis dumped their victims' ashes in fields and rivers close to the death and concentration camps where they died.

The ZPS said the urn contained victims' remains that it had unearthed from 23 sites near former Nazi camps in Germany, Poland and Ukraine.

The group's makeshift memorial also carries the slogan "Remembering means Fighting".

In a statement on its website, ZPS said: "We want to apologise sincerely to those affected, the survivors and their relatives, whose feelings we hurt."

"In particular we want to apologise to the Jewish institutions, associations or individuals who feel that our work disturbed the peace required for the dead, according to the Jewish religion," it said.

Historians say the Nazis killed about one million Jews at the vast Auschwitz-Birkenau camp complex, along with 300,000 others, most of them Poles and Soviet prisoners-of-war.

Chancellor Angela Merkel is to visit Auschwitz - in what was Nazi-occupied Poland - on Friday for the first time. She has previously visited Buchenwald and Dachau - two other notorious Nazi camps.

The Nazis murdered an estimated six million Jews at camps and mass execution sites.

The ZPS statement expressed horror at the Nazi atrocities.

"Our work, our whole political and artistic activity, is driven by outrage at the Nazis' crimes, whose goal was to deny their victims all dignity," the statement said (in German).

The installation stands on a site opposite the Berlin Reichstag where, in March 1933, German MPs voted to give the Nazi dictatorship sweeping powers. At that time they met in the Kroll Opera House, which was demolished in 1951 because of severe war damage.

Josef Schuster, President of the Central Council of Jews in Germany, said that "from a Jewish perspective, the Centre for Political Beauty's latest campaign is problematic because it violates Jewish religious law about not disturbing the dead".

Speaking to Deutsche Welle, he said the group should have consulted a rabbi before taking the soil samples.

Charlotte Knobloch, another Jewish community leader in Germany, said the action "was meant to be provocative but is in fact only tasteless, tactless and irreverent".

In 2017 the ZPS set up an imitation of Berlin's Holocaust Memorial outside the house of far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) politician Björn Höcke. He had earlier criticised the memorial as a "monument of shame" - triggering fears that he was trying to rehabilitate the Nazis.

Thoughts, my fellow Kiwis?
 
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You come across as being the paranoid, sensitive kind of nationalist, who starts gnashing his teeth the second he thinks somebody is threatening the honor of muh country (whether or not they are). Making demands on Serbia is reasonable. Giving them an ultimatum they have to answer in 24 hours, which compromises their national sovereignty to a great degree, and over a terror attack that can't (at that point) be proven to be caused by them.
I just dont like that americans blame Australia for ww1 when it was france and Russia who started it by supporting terrorists.

So, while I overall agree with the Austrian justification, there is more than enough justification to criticize their conduct as having caused a reckless escalation that directly contributed to the war. Thus, why it's not an immoral move, but it is stupid. If you're still buttmad about it, you can at least think: in hindsight, was it worth it for Austria to have moved like it did?
Doing the right thing is always worth it, even if you fail.

Also, there was a damn good reason for all three Middle Eastern wars, and I suspect you don't even know the beginnings of any of them. First Persian Gulf was in response to Hussein's war of conquest against Kuwait, which was pretty unprovoked (slant drilling is BS and everybody knows it). Second Persian Gulf was in response to his flagrant violations of the treaty which, despite the constant lying the media made about it, turned out to be as true as McCarthy's accusations. (You can compare with Iran building up a nuclear program while lying that they're in compliance with regulations.) The last one, against Afghanistan, was in direct response to them harboring Al-Qaeda. Of course, you could justify interventions against a million other countries for that reason, namely Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, and I wouldn't disagree that they deserve the sword just as much.
Sadam didnt had Weapons of mass destruction or a nuclear program, he used all his functional gas against the Kurds years before and they ended their nuclear ambitions after they realised that sand nigger are just to stupid to do it on their own.

Afghanistan was willing to give up all of al-qaeda to a muslim country, just not to the Us since they and the taliban had been in a proxy war for years via pakistan.
 
I just dont like that americans blame Australia for ww1 when it was france and Russia who started it by supporting terrorists.


Doing the right thing is always worth it, even if you fail.


Sadam didnt had Weapons of mass destruction or a nuclear program, he used all his functional gas against the Kurds years before and they ended their nuclear ambitions after they realised that sand nigger are just to stupid to do it on their own.

Afghanistan was willing to give up all of al-qaeda to a muslim country, just not to the Us since they and the taliban had been in a proxy war for years via pakistan.

In that case we should get along, because I side with Austria and feel that the US should not have intervened in WW1. There's only two countries (not counting the little Balkans ones) that I would feel 100% comfortable supporting, and those are Belgium and Austria-Hungary. It's a quirk of WW1 that you could have "good guys" and "bad guys" in both alliances, with "good" or "bad" depending on the specific context of why they were fighting.

We really should have just deposed Saddam the first time and left the Iraqis to their own devices or conducted a three-way partition of the land into Kurdistan, Iraq, and Greater Kuwait (if the Kuwaitis would want to assume the Sunni areas). Then left those to their own devices.

It still sounds like Afghanistan has itself to blame.
 
I just dont like that americans blame Australia for ww1 when it was france and Russia who started it by supporting terrorists.

Um, sorry cobber, but we'd barely been a country for a decade and a half by that point, and even then we were barely independent in name.

You probably mean Austria, which is a couple of continents over, and lacks kangaroos.
 
I love that, by European standards, Merkel is "Right Wing"

And yeah, Germany is a fucking mess. As a german foreign-exchange student told us: "The biggest issue Germany has is that, in general german views, Hitler was 'Right Wing', and our 'Left Wing' people in charge use that like a cudgel against any political rivals.

The only reason the country runs and has a good economy is because we have amazing manufacturing and good engineers. But it's probably only a matter of time before the ones in charge try to get rid of even that because it could remind someone of Nazi tank factories..."

Needless to say, he wasn't a fan of Merkel.
 
This reminds me of the urban myth that roman and nazi concrete are similar as both were mixed with the ashes of slaves and prisoners.
too bad 'ashes' and 'ash' are two entirely different things chemically, and if you made concrete out of ashes it probably wouldn't even cement together. but, you know, you gotta come up with 6 million somehow

e:why do old ass posts appear at the bottom of threads im not trying to shitpost AND necropost
 
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