HBO’s Watchmen - NOTHING EVER ENDS...Except When It Should

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jellycar dijo:
Fixed it.

Is Alan Moore a mean person in general? I feel like he would be unpleasant to be around ala Faye Dunaway. Like I know he hates the projects but the creators all have said how important the book was to them for whatever reasons. The film wasn't perfect but Snyder tried to keep true to the original which is ironic considering all the shit he has given us in subsequent years. Same with V for Vendetta.

My understanding is he was gonna use original DC characters but was unable to. Could his bitterness stem from that.
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The dude lives up in the country with his hippie wife who he worked with in the contriverisial lost girls , and mainly keeps to himself .
 
jellycar dijo:
Fixed it.

Is Alan Moore a mean person in general? I feel like he would be unpleasant to be around ala Faye Dunaway. Like I know he hates the projects but the creators all have said how important the book was to them for whatever reasons. The film wasn't perfect but Snyder tried to keep true to the original which is ironic considering all the shit he has given us in subsequent years. Same with V for Vendetta.

My understanding is he was gonna use original DC characters but was unable to. Could his bitterness stem from that.
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Moore cares a lot about his own works. He's of the belief that the works were designed to be comics and therefore are best experienced as comics. He doesn't really like deviations, though to my understanding he liked David Hayter's unused screenplay for Watchmen and was disappointed that it wasn't the version they went with.

V for Vendetta is an interesting case though. Some of his anger came from V for Vendetta's marketing team when they claimed he liked it, when in reality he hadn't seen it at all. That, and he hated that the movie shifted from Thatcherism to a much more blunt satire of Dubya.
 
Baldur's Gait dijo:
Moore cares a lot about his own works. He's of the belief that the works were designed to be comics and therefore are best experienced as comics. He doesn't really like deviations, though to my understanding he liked David Hayter's unused screenplay for Watchmen and was disappointed that it wasn't the version they went with.

V for Vendetta is an interesting case though. Some of his anger came from V for Vendetta's marketing team when they claimed he liked it, when in reality he hadn't seen it at all. That, and he hated that the movie shifted from Thatcherism to a much more blunt satire of Dubya.
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Weird, I thought Hayter did write the movie, what was his script like?

Also, why wouldn't the V for Vendetta movie update the story?

He definitely comes off as fairly egotistical when it comes to adaptations.
 
Dom Cruise dijo:
Weird, I thought Hayter did write the movie, what was his script like?
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I'm not 100% sure on the details, but I think elements of the screenplay were used, enough to where he is credited. I haven't read his version myself.


Dom Cruise dijo:
Also, why wouldn't the V for Vendetta movie update the story?
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Quoting Wikipedia here, but I think it explains his mindset.

Alan Moore's original story was created as a response to British Thatcherism in the early 1980s and was set as a conflict between a fascist state and anarchism, while the film's story has been changed by the Wachowskis to fit a modern US political context. Alan Moore, however, charged that, in doing so, the story has turned into an American-centric conflict between liberalism and neo-conservatism, and abandons the original anarchist–fascist themes. Moore states that "[t]here wasn't a mention of anarchy as far as I could see. The fascism had been completely defanged. I mean, I think that any references to racial purity had been excised, whereas actually, fascists are quite big on racial purity."
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Baldur's Gait dijo:
I'm not 100% sure on the details, but I think elements of the screenplay were used, enough to where he is credited. I haven't read his version myself.



Quoting Wikipedia here, but I think it explains his mindset.
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Had he even seen the movie? It's made clear that Norsefire is a white supremacist organization.

And I thought the movie updated things to be more relevant to the 2000s while still staying true to the core of the story, that's just my opinion of course, but it seems absurd to me to expect filmmakers to make a movie about Margaret Thatcher in the 2000s and not in any way update it.
 
Devilish Jack o Lantern dijo:
www.latimes.com

HBO's 'Watchmen' TV show won't mess with Alan Moore's comic: 'It's canon'

Series creator Damon Lindelof, star Regina King and director Nicole Kassell spoke to the Television Critics Assn. biannual press tour on Wednesday.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com

>Joined by star Regina King and director Nicole Kassell, Lindelof took the stage Wednesday at the Television Critics Assn. biannual press tour in Beverly Hills to discuss the series.

>The Tulsa, Okla.-set “Watchmen” will take place in an “alternate history where masked vigilantes are treated as outlaws,” according to HBO’s description. King plays Angela Abar, a baker who secretly moonlights as a lead detective in the Tulsa Police Force — possible because, in this world, cops don masks. Jeremy Irons and Don Johnson also star. . . .

>Don’t count on Alan Moore, the author of the revered comic, being among the show’s viewers. Lindelof acknowledged that Moore, as with past adaptations of his work, didn’t want to be affiliated with the project — which includes not allowing his name to be used to promote the series. “Alan Moore is a genius, ... He’s made it clear he doesn’t want any association ... which I want to respect. I have made personal overtures to connect with him. [But] he made it clear that he didn’t want that to happen."

>How does the TV series connect with its source material? “We are not going to mess with it. It’s canon,” Lindelof says. “Everything that happened in those 12 issues could not be messed with. We were married to it. There is no rebooting it.”

>White supremacy is at the forefront of the story. “What in 2019 is the equivalent of the nuclear standoff between the Americans and the Russians?” Lindelof posited. “It is race and the police. ... There are no easy answers and grandiose solutions. In a traditional superhero movie, superheros fight the aliens. There’s no defeating white supremacy. It’s not going away.”

>While the series is set in the present day, there is no internet (and no smartphones) in this world.
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Was actually looking forward to this now i'm just sad. White supremacy and "cops vs blacks" is really an internal problem that pretty much only effects America and has no real bearing on the rest of the world. In the OG Watchmen the world was on the brink of Armageddon now i guess the characters biggest issues in this sequel will be if someone called them nigger or not.
 
For better or worse, at least Zack Synder tired to make a faithful adaptation, whereas this new one is you by the numbers woke reimagining.
 
Y2K Baby dijo:
>Ozymandias drops a giant squid onto Harlem to prevent the race war.
I'd watch that.
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Ozymandias defeats racism!

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