Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Holy shit, thank you. This makes so much sense.

I don't know too much about Viv (yet) so I'd like to have some examples/parallels for i.e "enjoy exploiting the vulnerable" or "lack of empathy" or looking down on the underclass (I thought Charlie Had at least that, empathy, am I missing s.th? Probably shouldn't have watched HH on my phone while running on a treadmill...)
Exploiting the vulnerable I can think of several examples.

Exploiting her friends who worked for her (Kendraws and Dollcreep) as they did not have resources for a lawyer/NDA. Knowing they were basically at her whim.

Catering her writing to the LGBTQ+ community which has always been a vulnerable community given that the community has a higher chance of mental illnesses. Charlies patrons are all on the LGBTQ spectrum so take that of what you will..

Exploiting SA and rape, she will say that shes doing it for sex work and people in the industry. And will make excuses for why Poison or AngelDust are worth being in her show. When she has a known rape fetish, and a bondage/beating/gore fetish. And even hire a rape fetishist who choreographed, storyboarded and kins AngelDust and Valentino/Vox.

Said storyboard artist is vulnerable at least mentally they are not sound but she hired them. Raphelle has had alot of work in the Spindlehorse company. Choreography, storyboarding, writing, and even specific scenes were put in from their works. She came out as Trans or nonbinary some flavor of special. Kins herself as AngelDust getting into the SAME industry AngelDust is (Onlyfans) looking for pimps for their fetish, renaminging themselves Anthony (or something close to AngelDusts human name) and essentially skinsuits him and his abuse.

Using college kids and people lacking experience to abuse and exploit for labor for working on said shows.

The whole show itself is exploiting the vulnerable. As quoted from the show "people are desperate so desperate they will try anything to redeem themselves". Not the idea that redeeming should be about doing it because they are turning over a new leaf but to get out of being genocided, raped, abused ect.


AngelDust himself is constantly being exploited in the show for Charlies ego. Vaggie in a way has as well (where else will she go back to), her staff are being forced to work at the hotel not because they want to but because they are slaves and have to.

Patrons at the hotel are vulnerable and Charlie doesn't actually even know most of their names or bother to fully invest in their redemption.

The show is about the lack of family structures, and exploits peoples emotions for half baked stories.




Lack of empathy

What I mean by that is both have "preformitive empathy" meaning no real empathy at all


Giving the rape fetishist a job for the rape scenes and rape dance.

When a CSA victim/rape victims stated they did not like poison and gave their takes on it as a survivor. I'm not kidding when she she basically called them pussy's lied about said rape artist being a victim when the rape artist had admitted she never experienced it and just has a rape fetish.

Vivziepop has made sexual remarks on pushing said Poison the rape video. When she says she cares about that topic that seem very disrespectful for people.

Scott Cawthon's dox she helped push for him being canceled because he has different political takes then her. Fanning her fanbase to harass him and his family then cried when it happened to her.

Vivziepop talks shit about ex-friends and past employees trying to blacklist them from other projects/funneling them to ONLY work for her project. And getting mad that they are working on other projects (when the reason why they do it is because she doesn't pay well) making it about her and her needs.


Charlie doesn't actually save AngelDust or even talk to him on the same level. She instead simplifies him and the other patrons pain.

Charlie doesn't empathize with AngelDusts abuse and instead is upset that hes not focusing on her stuff. She instead trivializes it, doesnt help him get out of his rape contract, doesn't help him when he literally came out beaten and bruised and STILL let him go back to his said rapist and his rape helpers.

Charlie never once tried to get AngelDust out of the contract even though she would know of his daily beatings/sodomization. Or even anyother patrons soul contracts.

Charlie doesn't have empathy for Vaggie when it comes to helping her with her hotel, when it comes to being a casted angel, the people her girlfriend killed as essentially a Nazi soldier who helped with said genocide, that Vaggie now (might be an abused victim herself as she was being slapped around in heaven by Lute and Adam).


Charlie doesn't actually care that her hotel uses slave labor. (Husk, Niffty, and Alastor (though she didn't know he was a slave himself)) much like Viv doesn't care to credit or pay her people properly. And her company is currently experiencing a lawsuit.


I personally think the lack of empathy might be because both have undiagnosed NPD tendencies. And Vivs writing has always been about her, so she can't help but go full Narcissus with her staring at her reflection all day only for it to be Charlie.


Looking down on the lowerclass


The show is all about fixing the "undesirables".

Charlie is disgusting with what the lowerclass actually does in her kingdom.

Vivziepops shows have always been about the lowerclass fighting the upperclass. While the upperclass in her shows/Zoophobia are always actually "pretty cool and good guys" when they are shown to be detestible.

Charlie and Viv skinsuit as the lowerclass and being innovative. When they have had backing in their corner being neptobabies.

Vivs mercies pricing and the push of it when the merch has been notably downgraded, and quality dropping. Viv doesn't care though, its not like she has resources to give her fanbase not garbage. Ahem.. Bazos..
 
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Wow. Thank you for this post- I am still in the process of reading this thread, it will take some time to be up to par with my fellow kiwis.

This was eye-opening.I am quite shocked. To me personally, many things you mentioned seemed more like "it will be explained later" tbh. Probably this will not happen.

As to NPD behavior-

Most male feminists seem to have NPD as well,-skinwalking as "the exploited/their allies" while i.e they treat their RL partners like trash. Is anything...likewise interesting known about other VAs?
 
@Re(Runner)48

Wow. Thank you for this post- I am still in the process of reading this thread, it will take some time to be up to par with my fellow kiwis.

This was eye-opening.I am quite shocked. To me personally, many things you mentioned seemed more like "it will be explained later" tbh. Probably this will not happen.

As to NPD behavior-

Most male feminists seem to have NPD as well,-skinwalking as "the exploited/their allies" while i.e they treat their RL partners like trash. Is anything...likewise interesting known about other VAs?

Shes not a male feminist. Viv is a female she just hates women, and has wrote a comic about women should be greatful to be catcalled. And if you don't like it then YOUR the problem. Shes a misogynist feminist, but what else is new.

The original singer of Alastor was a Brony pedophile that is married to a MLP voiceactor he groomed, Stamper use to be a part of Hazbin in the pilot and he went crazy and got into meth or something.

Valentinos VA also likes to skinsuit as Val sometimes on Twitter. He REALLY likes it for some fucking reason.

Alastors current VA is kinda racist and speaks alot about Alator having yellow teeth is cus he has a grill. Personally he gives me the vibe hes the kind of like the guy who thinks because he voiced a black character he has the "Nigger/Nigga pass" when hes a pastey white Iranian.

Brandon Rodger is Brandon if you know him you know. Kind of did a Shane Dawson for a bit.

Thats all I know but I'm sure nore can fill you in.
 
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Sounds like vivzie got really upset at all the criticism Charlie got for being retarded, useless and manipulated decided to remind everyone that nobody hates Charlie more than her.
For fuck's sake, are we going to have to see Charlie repeat and learn from the same mistakes she made in season 2 AGAIN!? Because I'm not sure how many people are going to hold out on this show if that's the case. I've heard a lot of them saying that they're only watching season 3 in the hopes that it's better, especially with Charlie. And if it doesn't then they're just going to drop Hazbin entirely. Similar thing with Helluva too.
 
Charlie doesn't actually care that her hotel uses slave labor. (Husk, Niffty, and Alastor (though she didn't know he was a slave himself)) much like Viv doesn't care to credit or pay her people properly. And her company is currently experiencing a lawsuit.
Charlie is more of a self-insert than I thought. She runs the hotel like she runs her actual company.
The original singer of Alastor was a Brony pedophile that is married to a MLP voiceactor he groomed, Stamper use to be a part of Hazbin in the pilot and he went crazy and got into meth or something.
If you mean Stamper he was already into that shit.
 
If you mean Stamper he was already into that shit.

They were asking about drama of the VA's I do know he was like that before. Viv should of looked into who shes employing, on the other hand if she did know I wonder if she helped indulge his habit/ or slipped him a little on the side, like the Katie Killjoy line.

"That hooker will do anything for a little booger sugar and lube."

And I can see Stamper unhinging his jaw for it.
 
They were asking about drama of the VA's I do know he was like that before. Viv should of looked into who shes employing, on the other hand if she did know I wonder if she helped indulge his habit/ or slipped him a little on the side, like the Katie Killjoy line.

"That hooker will do anything for a little booger sugar and lube."

And I can see Stamper unhinging his jaw for it.
To be a little fair to Viv when it comes to Stamper, Pentious was meant to be a one off character before there was a short after-credits scene added last minute that revealed he survived Alastor's attack, and Pentious only had like three minutes of screentime in the pilot.

Besides, for all the shady people that Viv has hired, I'd still rank Stamper as pretty low on that ranking. I also might be wrong on this but even if he definitely had a reputation, he hadn't fully gone off the deep end while the pilot was still in production.
 
Total Furry Death!
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*Me for a second thinking* "Well season 3 might at least not be worse than season 2-"

*Me remembering the angsty-looking Stolas teen with a nose-ring in the trailer*
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"Oh no, it is going to be worse than season 2."
I was thinking about some things about it. How does a nose ring even work on an owl? Its not like fleshy, cartilage, its layers of feathers and bone so in theory if he did that it would just crack his beak in half.

If he was an elite (British Elite ideology as of how its communicated in the show) nose piercings would be heavily looked down on even if he removed the jewelry there would be a hole there.. Why wasn't this ever brought up that he has a piercing hole in his adult life?

What the fuck is going on here?
 
I was thinking about some things about it. How does a nose ring even work on an owl? Its not like fleshy, cartilage, its layers of feathers and bone so in theory if he did that it would just crack his beak in half.

If he was an elite (British Elite ideology as of how its communicated in the show) nose piercings would be heavily looked down on even if he removed the jewelry there would be a hole there.. Why wasn't this ever brought up that he has a piercing hole in his adult life?

What the fuck is going on here?
I showed a friend this who is obsessed over anatomy, and we basically had a discussion for a half an hour on whether it was a nose piercing or a lip piercing.

Our conclusion: A piercing on the bridge of the nose.
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Then I brought up that hoop piercings aren't usually on the bridge, and that it would probably have to be a piercing through the nostril, even if it wasn't placed correctly. And that the only reason why there was a piercing in the first place is because Stolas is supposed to be an angsty teen here so of course he would go through a phase of "emo bang and nose piercing" because that's what these people would think is edgy.
 
How long until they get their own Randy Stair?

How long until the fandom gets a stabbing incident like Slender Man?

I'm surprised it wasn't soon. Either this fandom is self conscious (no) or it is spread far and few.

I think the most it’s gotten so far was a vandalism case at a school library?
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I thought one of the troon shooters from last year had an image of Valentino on one of their social media accounts, but I could be wrong.
 
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