Guilty Pleasure Movies

Gonna second Jason X as a guilty pleasure of mine. Then again, I also enjoyed Jason Goes To Hell and Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare unironically as well.
A century from now, mankind's greatest philosophers will still be debating which is worse: Jason Goes to Hell or Jason X. Impressively, the two are completely unlike in their awfulness, making direct comparisons challenging. Reading up on JGtH, I found this comment on filmboards.com (formerly IMDB's fuck 'n' suck):

Originally it was much worse and New Line Cinema had to step in and order Sean Cunningham to put Jason in the movie. Cunningham, producing the movie himself and not New Line, was making a movie called "Friday the 13th: Heart of Darkness" which revolved about Jason's evil brother Elias digging up Jason's corpse and eating his heart, and then going on a body hopping rampage around Crystal Lake. Why? Because at the time, Cunningham hated Jason, whom he felt was the creation of Steve Miner.

When Cunningham sold the project to New Line, he'd just told them "I want to make a 'Friday the 13th'," and New Line presumed like anybody would, that meant a Jason movie. They had finished principal production with only about 60 minutes of useable footage when New Line caught wind. They told Cunningham that he was to put Jason into the movie or they wouldn't release it. His back against the wall, Cunningham called in a writer working for him named Dean Lorey who had a weekend to fit Jason into the storyline they already had. Jason, Creighton Duke, "Elias" becoming Jason's father, and the coroner characters are his invention. Kane Hodder was hired to play Jason and they set about the reshoots, turning it into a "proper" Friday.

The problem with this is that NOBODY involved will cop to the above story, chiefly because it makes them look bad. Dean Lorey started to talk about it in the audio commentary for the DVD, but he either gets interrupted by Adam Marcus or stops himself and they never go back to it. Apparently, effects man Howard Berger never got the memo to hush up, though, because in the book "Crystal Lake Memories", he mentions the "Heart of Darkness" script they began work on and how it began with a scene where Jason and his mother copulated to produce the brother character "Elias."

This story needs to get out because people need to understand that it's a wonder this movie makes any damned sense at all with its ungodly troubled production with a producer who had no business making it.

If true, it makes total sense. I mean, the movie still makes no sense, but it explains a few things about why it turned out that way. Fans seem pretty hung up on the body-jumping-slug aspect but that's barely the tip of the iceberg. iirc the two main characters only appear for maybe a few seconds until nearly halfway through the movie.
 
A century from now, mankind's greatest philosophers will still be debating which is worse: Jason Goes to Hell or Jason X. Impressively, the two are completely unlike in their awfulness, making direct comparisons challenging. Reading up on JGtH, I found this comment on filmboards.com (formerly IMDB's fuck 'n' suck):



If true, it makes total sense. I mean, the movie still makes no sense, but it explains a few things about why it turned out that way. Fans seem pretty hung up on the body-jumping-slug aspect but that's barely the tip of the iceberg. iirc the two main characters only appear for maybe a few seconds until nearly halfway through the movie.
Huh, I have heard of this idea. It sounds awful and the director confirmed the original idea on Midnight's Edge.


The director has gone with the story that Sean Cunningham wanted to get away from Jason and didn't want the hockey mask in the movie. The director has claimed he wanted the hockey mask but the director is also pretty deluded and thinks no one hated the movie until the internet existed (wrong).

Now, I enjoy Jason Goes to hell because it is different and has some great gore and fun characters but this BTS drama seems weirdly plausible.
 
Huh, I have heard of this idea. It sounds awful and the director confirmed the original idea on Midnight's Edge.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LJXrVgCNFqI
The director has gone with the story that Sean Cunningham wanted to get away from Jason and didn't want the hockey mask in the movie. The director has claimed he wanted the hockey mask but the director is also pretty deluded and thinks no one hated the movie until the internet existed (wrong).

Now, I enjoy Jason Goes to hell because it is different and has some great gore and fun characters but this BTS drama seems weirdly plausible.
I've seen another interview with Adam Marcus where he gave basically the same speech, and he never quite spells out they had already started filming the original script. I guess it doesn't make him look great if he was moving forward with the Pamela/Jason incest and New Line execs had to nix it. It would explain a lot about the disjointedness of the finished product if they had started with a half-finished movie where the slug wasn't Jason and no bounty hunter character etc etc... like the scene where Jason talks and impersonates a cop, it's hard to explain that by saying the writer was just retarded or there's a missing scene that explains it or whatever, it looks like something leftover from a completely different movie.

It's still a lot more watchable than Jason X, which apparently had a straightforward production and doesn't have any excuses.
 
I've seen another interview with Adam Marcus where he gave basically the same speech, and he never quite spells out they had already started filming the original script. I guess it doesn't make him look great if he was moving forward with the Pamela/Jason incest and New Line execs had to nix it. It would explain a lot about the disjointedness of the finished product if they had started with a half-finished movie where the slug wasn't Jason and no bounty hunter character etc etc... like the scene where Jason talks and impersonates a cop, it's hard to explain that by saying the writer was just retarded or there's a missing scene that explains it or whatever, it looks like something leftover from a completely different movie.

It's still a lot more watchable than Jason X, which apparently had a straightforward production and doesn't have any excuses.
I mean, the fact that it makes any sense at all and is as entertaining as it currently is is absolutely astonishing all things considered. If I meet Kane Hodder at a con I'll ask him.
 
Cool Cat Saves the Kids. The original not the remake.
 
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