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Vince actually played the crowd last night with Sami Zayn, and validated his opinion of AEW. If the WWE audience cared, they would have asked questions that differed from Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch...but they didn't.


They must have been plants, surely the WWE isn't stupid enough to start passing a live mic around the audience.
 
They must have been plants, surely the WWE isn't stupid enough to start passing a live mic around the audience.
Agreed.

Although on the other hand, with how much of their audience WWE has driven off in the last decade; anyone who still pay to go to a live RAW event has a high likelyhood being either the most docile mark hopelessly stuck in the mindset WWE is the only wrestling (sorry, Sports entertainment) that exist, or a Smark out to get himself over on Tv. The latter can probably easily get sifted out by his bulletclub shirt.

Just give the live mike to someone with Roman Reigns merch and you'll probably avoid hard questions.
 
Agreed.

Although on the other hand, with how much of their audience WWE has driven off in the last decade; anyone who still pay to go to a live RAW event has a high likelyhood being either the most docile mark hopelessly stuck in the mindset WWE is the only wrestling (sorry, Sports entertainment) that exist, or a Smark out to get himself over on Tv. The latter can probably easily get sifted out by his bulletclub shirt.

Just give the live mike to someone with Roman Reigns merch and you'll probably avoid hard questions.

Or the third option being that they don’t really give a shit about being part of a wrestling fan dick measuring contest and just want the live experience of being at a WWE show. Going to a Mania is still on my bucket list for example. As far as AEW is concerned, it’s more wrestling for me so I’m not complaining. I’d probably be more open to it if the fanbase weren’t giant faggots about how it’s gonna kill the WWE (it won’t).
 
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Agreed.

Although on the other hand, with how much of their audience WWE has driven off in the last decade; anyone who still pay to go to a live RAW event has a high likelyhood being either the most docile mark hopelessly stuck in the mindset WWE is the only wrestling (sorry, Sports entertainment) that exist, or a Smark out to get himself over on Tv. The latter can probably easily get sifted out by his bulletclub shirt.

Just give the live mike to someone with Roman Reigns merch and you'll probably avoid hard questions.

Mr McMahon, your promotion has the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?
 
Apparently the audience members were not plants.


Which makes me believe that WWE fans are living in an echo chamber. The only wrestling fans are those attending shows after Wrestlemania.
 
Also nobody on the roster is over 230 lbs. So I guess no power wrestling or brawling? The same style up and down the entire card is going to get stale quickly when they have two hours to fill weekly and the novelty wears off.

Somehow WWE keeps doing the same thing but in almost the reverse way.
(Also Awesome Kong is like 270, and I hope she sticks aaround because I love me a good episode of Awesome Kong smashing small people with her massive limbs)

I don't think they talked at all on the PPV about any wrestler being a stunning and brave transperson or other stripe of LBTQZXY....

Nope. Didn't even realize Nyla Rose was trans until this thread, since I didn't know her. Also you really don't need to point out that Sonny Kiss is gay. We can see that and uh... Tommy Dreamer could feel it.

Yeah, they mentioned Nyla's Native American heritage more than anything else in the match. The also mentioned her as a TV star, but surprisingly didn't really mention Awesome Kong being a featured character in "GLOW".

Honestly, the problem I had with the match is that apart from the standard "Big person" moves, both Awesome Kong and Nyla Rose didn't really do much as opposed to Baker and Rae.

That was the main problem of that one. I wanted more behemoth battling. It was a decent match but not as good as the Joshi one IMO. Again I want more Kong smashing. Sign her pls.

The differences between Sonny Kiss and Velveteen Dream are night and day. Dream is a take off of Prince and his love for ambiguity.

Sonny Kiss is known for taking his opponents head and ramming it into his ass as well as twerking after doing suicide dives.

Sonny is probably one of the funniest characters. That's what he does, it's a played up comedy act and it's honestly amazing that anyone would be upset by him, it's all in good fun.
 
Im not sure what to believe, but I guess its possible with WWE's history of shady doings.
Vince McMahon attempted to cover up at least three murders, and mostly succeded with one of them.

Don't put anything past him.

I don’t see how AEW are competition yet when they’re bleeding a billionaire money mark dry like a tech startup (6 million a year for Dean Ambrose?!‽) and paying to live the thirty year old boomer dream of putting wrestling back on Turner but man they are finding new lows under the bottom of the barrel lately on Raw and Smackdown.
Six million's a drop in the bucket for the Khans.

And much as I love Moxley, he didn't get that six million for himself. I'm certain he got that six million to send a message to a certain former Jacksonville Jaguar turned pro-wrestler who's currently working for the competition, as well as a certain other dark-and-long-haired Shield alumnus currently working for VKM.

Sure, Shahid Khan didn't own the Jags when Roman played for them, but I'm still certain this is the plan. The Shield could be the 21st Century's nWo; and better, if AEW has the sense to not pull off the many, many bad decisions by Bischoff, Nash, Russo, Hogan, and any other egotist who tanked the gimmick.

If the Saudi Prince gets bored or their stock goes back to what it’s really worth for relentlessly trolling their dwindling TV audience with Shane O Gassed and Baron Corbin they may actually have real problems. I wonder if Fox has buyers remorse. Paying WWE a billion dollars to put their B Show on Frday when everyone will DVR it was exceptional when the quality was better and this wild card stuff wasn’t going on.
Assuming the money mark really is Crown Prince Muhammad (which is exceedingly likely), the money mark's interest in the product has nothing to do with the Saudi deal.

The only thing that matters is to use WWE to spread pro-Saudi propaganda. This could still change if His Highness sees both advantage to a deal with some other company, and said other company has low enough scruples to do business with people who murder and dismember lawful American residents in NATO embassies; but don't kid yourself into thinking this is primarily motivated by fandom.
 
Wouldn't be surprised if Vince is trying to stain the company before he hands it over to Hunter. It's the kind of thing you can totally see him finding funny. The product has been in autopilot mode for literally 3 years and the TV response after DON is really telling. Vince can't care about AEW if he doesn't care about WWE.
 
Wouldn't be surprised if Vince is trying to stain the company before he hands it over to Hunter. It's the kind of thing you can totally see him finding funny. The product has been in autopilot mode for literally 3 years and the TV response after DON is really telling. Vince can't care about AEW if he doesn't care about WWE.

Vince doesn't want you watching Raw, that's why he's making the shows so milquetoast. He wants you watching Smackdown. With the move to Fox later this year, Vince wants a established viewer base that's already invested in storylines. The last thing Vince needs is a "hard reset" come October.
 
Vince doesn't want you watching Raw, that's why he's making the shows so milquetoast. He wants you watching Smackdown. With the move to Fox later this year, Vince wants a established viewer base that's already invested in storylines. The last thing Vince needs is a "hard reset" come October.
or the much simpler explananation "lol vince is just an old cokehead and his company is a bunch of sycophants so everything is shit"
 
Glad to see Tyler Breeze going back to NXT. The big difference is that brand allows you to get invested in mid-carders, yet somehow everyone feels less special as soon as they move up to the main roster, especially Raw.

Tyler didn't get to take his character with him to the main roster. Story and character sell wrestling more than just workrate. Matches only mean something when they have those elements behind them.

The only time he got to be entertaining was when he and Fandango got to have the X-Files and Twin Peaks shitposting gimmick for a while. The NXT audience has a relationship with that character, some of them have been watching since 2013 or 2014 in the Full Sail crowd. On the main roster he's just another job guy.

Vince doesn't want you watching Raw, that's why he's making the shows so milquetoast. He wants you watching Smackdown. With the move to Fox later this year, Vince wants a established viewer base that's already invested in storylines. The last thing Vince needs is a "hard reset" come October.

Nah, pissing off USA would be a really, really bad move. They're actually making more from Raw over the course of that deal than they are from Smackdown. Smackdown just got all the press since it's network TV and a new relationship, plus the massive gaps in programming UFC left on their cable channels mean that WWE could really offer them a lot if they handled the partnership well.

Vince is running things literally how he always has. Why it's become so glaring right now is that someone is throwing big money into competing with him, and this happened with TNA during their launch in 2002 and move to Spike in 2005 as well. On top of that issue the roster has ballooned so far out of control in size that nobody can get TV time and the illogical wild card nonsense has made it even worse - all the champs and tip top guys on two shows getting overexposed while the midcard gets even smaller crumbs. The chain of command and way the shows are made has not changed at all even going back to the Attitude days where they were on fire.
 
Tyler didn't get to take his character with him to the main roster. Story and character sell wrestling more than just workrate. Matches only mean something when they have those elements behind them.

I 100% agree. If it was about workrate Dolph Ziggler would have a championship run to rival Bruno Sammartino.

A character in NXT won't survive the first wave of edits from Vince. Take a look at The War Raiders, or Sanity, or My Black Son Jason Jordan.
 
No, WCW was entertaining.
The Summer 1999-2001 WCW product that I remembered being painfully unwatchable is pretty breezy compared to about 3/4 of Raws. Even the three hour Nitros. I'm not going to say something stupid and say it was totally good or it didn't have a lot of outright crap on it but it had memorable characters and even the bad stuff was bad an in interesting way most of the time.

As someone who watched WCW from 1995 to 1999, I agree.
Spring of 1999, Nitro was outright better than Raw for the people still watching it. Summer started to get bad with too much Nash and the Red and Yellow Hogan return. Fall was when the wheels came off and things got out of control by 2000.

I 100% agree. If it was about workrate Dolph Ziggler would have a championship run to rival Bruno Sammartino.

A character in NXT won't survive the first wave of edits from Vince. Take a look at The War Raiders, or Sanity, or My Black Son Jason Jordan.

The most over guys from NXT are the ones that stayed mostly the same like Owens, Joe, and Balor. Look how much good all that tinkering has done to Nakamura. My god why did they fuck with his theme?
 
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