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Not sure how sustainable $50 PPV's are in todays market
I saw speculation that this was swinging for the fences while they're still in the "burn money" phase. If it turns out they can ask that much and get it, then ride it until they can't, if they can't then they find out now before they have to worry about making ends meet.
 
I saw speculation that this was swinging for the fences while they're still in the "burn money" phase. If it turns out they can ask that much and get it, then ride it until they can't, if they can't then they find out now before they have to worry about making ends meet.

I liked how Lance Storm said the most boomer thing as a response to the price. "Back before we used to have wrestling PPV watch parties." Like any of us have friends these days lolololol.
 
It also means access to major TV networks (TNT among them) and to TV production grades that'll make Kevin Dunn look even more like an amateur with a Camcorder.

The underlined is what fascinates me the most. After the shenanigans Turner (the company, not the man) pulled in undermining WCW, I wonder who in the top brass of WarnerMedia Entertainment is giving wrestling a shot on TNT?
In either case, the fact that AEW is going to be airing shows on TNT has to be "salt in the wounds" to the McMahons.
 
What was up with that overweight not even remotely passing troon in the “women’s” 4 way. It’d be one thing if they were athletic or talented or looked remotely female. Also someone who has made beaucoup bucks for years off shirts that say “bullet club” running an anti-gun wrestling benefit is rich. They are gonna amp up this SJW shit worse I’m sure.

I thought Cody vs Dustin was great and easily Cody’s best match ever. It probably should have been Dustin’s retirement though. Jericho vs Omega was kinda dull compared to their NJPW match. The Bucks are not for me and the undercard was filler.

I just don’t get AEW and don’t think it’s this serious 96-98 level WCW competitor people think it is. Meh from me.
 
What was up with that overweight not even remotely passing troon in the “women’s” 4 way. It’d be one thing if they were athletic or talented or looked remotely female. Also someone who has made beaucoup bucks for years off shirts that say “bullet club” running an anti-gun wrestling benefit is rich. They are gonna amp up this SJW shit worse I’m sure.
Yeah I'm not sure what his deal was. He's not fun like a normal exotico like Mamba or Sonny Kiss, and I didn't get the impression we're supposed to boo the asshole pretending to be a woman, either.
 
Yeah I'm not sure what his deal was. He's not fun like a normal exotico like Mamba or Sonny Kiss, and I didn't get the impression we're supposed to boo the asshole pretending to be a woman, either.
This being the first MtF wrestler is probably going to set back their attempts to get the typically young, male conservative wrestling demo from swallowing this pill. It’s like an embarrassing straw man caricature of a transgender person. Wrestling doesn’t need a Jonathan Yaniv.

I think I’d be warmer to AEW if someone like Daniel Bryan had left to start it. I’ve always thought of Cody as a dunning kruger effect blowhard who got an easy fast track in wrestling because of who his dad was. He has the personality of particle board. Always liked Dustin though.

Also nobody on the roster is over 230 lbs. So I guess no power wrestling or brawling? The same style up and down the entire card is going to get stale quickly when they have two hours to fill weekly and the novelty wears off.
 
an embarrassing straw man caricature of a transgender person. Wrestling doesn’t need a Jonathan Yaniv.
To be fair I know nothing of his work on the indies, maybe he's the troon version of vintage heel "You morons need to get drunk to enjoy my work" indie CM Punk. If that's the case then yeah he's probably totes aces at it.
Also nobody on the wrestler is over 230 lbs. So I guess no power wrestling or brawling?
Pentagon jr has had a bunch of respectable enough brawling matches on the Mexican scene running with LA Park and stuff.

Maybe they were expecting Dorian Roland to invoke "lol LU contract" and get Willie Mack and Jeff Cobb? Also there was whoever that giant fat dude was in the preshow battle royale.
 
What was up with that overweight not even remotely passing troon in the “women’s” 4 way. It’d be one thing if they were athletic or talented or looked remotely female. Also someone who has made beaucoup bucks for years off shirts that say “bullet club” running an anti-gun wrestling benefit is rich. They are gonna amp up this SJW shit worse I’m sure.

I thought Cody vs Dustin was great and easily Cody’s best match ever. It probably should have been Dustin’s retirement though. Jericho vs Omega was kinda dull compared to their NJPW match. The Bucks are not for me and the undercard was filler.

I just don’t get AEW and don’t think it’s this serious 96-98 level WCW competitor people think it is. Meh from me.
It's a band of carnies exploiting something to make money. Don't take it so seriously.
 
I think Nyla Rose works since *she's* portrayed as somewhat of a monster heel.

Overall, there's a bunch of red flags concerning SJW influence in AEW, but so far, I think they're doing the whole diversity schtick right. As in, they mention some diversity buzzwords, bring in a bunch of people who ticks those boxes like Sonny Kiss and Nyla but after that they don't beat you over the head with it. (apart maybe from that weird "sensory exclusive" autist playroom Brandy keeps banging on about.)

I don't think they talked at all on the PPV about any wrestler being a stunning and brave transperson or other stripe of LBTQZXY....
 
So Raw's big response to AEW is..........an entire first hour without any matches and then a tag rematch from last week. Well done Vince, that'll show 'em.
I enjoyed the crowd chanting "this is awful" at Shane'O beating up on random Anoa'i cousin #256
 
I don't think they talked at all on the PPV about any wrestler being a stunning and brave transperson or other stripe of LBTQZXY....

Yeah, they mentioned Nyla's Native American heritage more than anything else in the match. The also mentioned her as a TV star, but surprisingly didn't really mention Awesome Kong being a featured character in "GLOW".

Honestly, the problem I had with the match is that apart from the standard "Big person" moves, both Awesome Kong and Nyla Rose didn't really do much as opposed to Baker and Rae.
 
Can there be SJWism when the SJWism is kayfabe?

It strikes me as completely sincere. Having Jim Ross, a 67 year old Southerner usually relied on as a voice of credibility talk about this woman like there wasn’t anything very off about “her” tips me off this is a real agenda. I haven’t seen Sonny Kiss yet but by all outright appearances it seems to be a tasteless and poorly executed take on a character like Velveteen Dream which NXT has handled really well. My massive antipathy towards Cody and The Bucks gives me no faith that they’re not totally serious about this stupid shit.


I enjoyed the crowd chanting "this is awful" at Shane'O beating up on random Anoa'i cousin #256

I thought “Lance Anoi’a” was a rib on the fake Lance “Von Erich” from WCCW they trotted out after David died but apparently that’s his real name.

So Raw's big response to AEW is..........an entire first hour without any matches and then a tag rematch from last week. Well done Vince, that'll show 'em.

I don’t see how AEW are competition yet when they’re bleeding a billionaire money mark dry like a tech startup (6 million a year for Dean Ambrose?!?!) and paying to live the thirty year old boomer dream of putting wrestling back on Turner but man they are finding new lows under the bottom of the barrel lately on Raw and Smackdown.

If the Saudi Prince gets bored or their stock goes back to what it’s really worth for relentlessly trolling their dwindling TV audience with Shane O Gassed and Baron Corbin they may actually have real problems. I wonder if Fox has buyers remorse. Paying WWE a billion dollars to put their B Show on Frday when everyone will DVR it was retarded when the quality was better and this wild card stuff wasn’t going on.
 
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It strikes me as completely sincere. Having Jim Ross, a 67 year old Southerner usually relied on as a voice of credibility talk about this woman like there wasn’t anything very off about “her” tips me off this is a real agenda. I haven’t seen Sonny Kiss yet but by all outright appearances it seems to be a tasteless and poorly executed take on a character like Velveteen Dream which NXT has handled really well. My massive antipathy towards Cody and The Bucks gives me no faith that they’re not totally serious about this stupid shit.

The differences between Sonny Kiss and Velveteen Dream are night and day. Dream is a take off of Prince and his love for ambiguity.

Sonny Kiss is known for taking his opponents head and ramming it into his ass as well as twerking after doing suicide dives.
 
It strikes me as completely sincere. Having Jim Ross, a 67 year old Southerner usually relied on as a voice of credibility talk about this woman like there wasn’t anything very off about “her” tips me off this is a real agenda. I haven’t seen Sonny Kiss yet but by all outright appearances it seems to be a tasteless and poorly executed take on a character like Velveteen Dream which NXT has handled really well. My massive antipathy towards Cody and The Bucks gives me no faith that they’re not totally serious about this stupid shit.




I thought “Lance Anoi’a” was a rib on the fake Lance “Von Erich” from WCCW they trotted out after David died but apparently that’s his real name.



I don’t see how AEW are competition yet when they’re bleeding a billionaire money mark dry like a tech startup (6 million a year for Dean Ambrose?!‽) and paying to live the thirty year old boomer dream of putting wrestling back on Turner but man they are finding new lows under the bottom of the barrel lately on Raw and Smackdown.

If the Saudi Prince gets bored or their stock goes back to what it’s really worth for relentlessly trolling their dwindling TV audience with Shane O Gassed and Baron Corbin they may actually have real problems. I wonder if Fox has buyers remorse. Paying WWE a billion dollars to put their B Show on Frday when everyone will DVR it was exceptional when the quality was better and this wild card stuff wasn’t going on.


Definitely aren't direct competition yet, to do so they need to capture the casual audience. But given how legendary petty Vince is, I'm half surprised they didn't have a jobber called Chris Omega, or whose initials spell AEW. Raw is almost unwatchable bad at the moment, its amazing how the same company can put out shite like that and something as good as NXT.
 
So Raw's big response to AEW is..........an entire first hour without any matches and then a tag rematch from last week. Well done Vince, that'll show 'em.

Vince actually played the crowd last night with Sami Zayn, and validated his opinion of AEW. If the WWE audience cared, they would have asked questions that differed from Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch...but they didn't.
 
The differences between Sonny Kiss and Velveteen Dream are night and day. Dream is a take off of Prince and his love for ambiguity.

Sonny Kiss is known for taking his opponents head and ramming it into his ass as well as twerking after doing suicide dives.

Cool, another sexual assault move I can despise as much as the stinkface. Cheer for this character who doesn't respect people's boundaries, bigot!
 
I'm going to be really disappointed if Sonny Kiss doesn't team up with Maximo and Mamba.
 
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