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Watching it now but one thing that stands out is at the 15 minute mark. Lucas references the infamous Aero AR-10 burn down video where he abused the Aero AR-10 by trying to go to 5K rounds with out cleaning or lubricating, something you don't do to AR-10s. Though if I recall correctly, he did say he did a lubrication at 2.5K rounds or something, the video was posted years ago in this thread. The only thing Aero did wrong was not loctite parts for a complete upper (the upper and lower were bought separately and thus didn't consider the upper ready to go). He isn't apologetic, he doesn't admit he wasn't familiar with how the US Army's manual of arms for the M110 says to clean it after 900 rounds, a moment of Dunning-Kruger in effect. He just acts like he did nothing wrong and it was solely Aero's fault the rifle failed. By the way, Lucas never did anything like that again with a .308 rifle, he would only do it with 5.56 rifles. I personally think some manufacturers refused to send him .308 rifles to review after that. He also later did some PR work for LMT, leaving a comment on Armed Asian's instagram post bashing LMT (the account has been deleted, don't go looking for it), saying he (Lucas) spoke to LMT and they are sorting out the issues with their .308 line of rifles. Really, asshole? You want to carry water for the boutique vendor no one can afford but continue bashing an affordable company that is within the budget of your young followers?
He also says Aero mentioned its aerospace manufacturing to him and that he feels they should of done ok because he thinks the aerospace industry is doing fine right now. The aerospace industry, at least for commercial isn't fine because its a constant war between US companies and their foreign competitors. If you act as a manufacturing supplier for one of those American companies and they get hit, you're fucked. If you get outbid on a manufacturing job re-compete because the foreign supplier is much cheaper, you're fucked. It's a competitive and cut throat business with lots of industrial espionage.
I'm not impressed. I checked out his Lethal Corp website, he is nothing more than a drop shipper at MSRP but only sells what he thinks is good with his opinions on the product. I'll stick to Primary Arms or Optics Planet.
Edit:
Here is Aero's comments from Lucas' video years ago.
First of all, RIP Lucas’s shoulder. We have a few points to make, but in general, we look forward to getting the rifle (specifically the BCG) back in hand to understand where and why it’s weak points were exposed during this endurance test. We believe in continuous improvement and will be examining where we can keep developing on this platform.
Our goal is to offer an affordable and reliable base for an AR10 setup. Whether that be for plinking, long-range shooting, hunting, SHTF, or other. This is a rifle platform we have been offering very successfully for years and truly believe it’s great for the vast majority of users. This is proven by the thousands of customers that are successfully and consistently running M5 configured rifles to date. With that being said, the rifle should be built to your specific use case.Our thoughts…
1. If you are building a rifle for extreme use, we would highly recommend getting the rifle in to it’s final configuration with whatever parts and components you prefer, testing it, and then securing that configuration. Items such as the bolt catch screw and handguard screws can benefit from blue Loctite, especially on the AR10 platform where there is much more force involved. We don’t generally do this from the factory as we aren’t offering a complete “out of the box” rifle and most M5 users are building from scratch, upgrading components, etc. Loctite can be your best friend and your worst enemy.
2. If you are shooting an AR10/M5 rifle suppressed, we highly recommend taking that type of use into account when building and selecting components. There are a couple different components that can and do help lower carrier velocity in the case of suppressed use. What this exact formula is will vary depending on use-case, but generally a rifle or A5 buffer system can greatly help on these large frame rifles. Adjustable gas blocks are another great solution if your use-case permits.
3. We specifically recommend PMAGs with the M5 platform. Through years of use, we have seen the most consistent success with PMAGs and the development of the lower receiver was done specifically with these magazines.
4. Maintenance is important. We understand the point of this specific test, but even military testing protocols require maintenance on this classification of firearm at round counts well before any critical failures occurred here. Specifically, if you run the rifle until it’s dry and fails to operate, you are introducing excessive wear on areas such as the BCG and shortening the lifespan of the part. We would not recommend shooting the rifle 2300+ rounds without maintenance. The BCG was also purchased as a standalone part where there is no lube from the factory as we do not lubricate BCGs that go into individual packaging. This means the rifle ran for 2300 rounds with no lube whatsoever. This point alone could have drastically changed the outcome with the BCG.
5. The BCG specifically is an opportunity area for improvement not just for Aero Precision, but for the AR10 platform in general. We utilize what we would consider the industry standard design for AR10/AR308 BCGs. We have been developing a more robust design that we are confident would perform better in this testing and we look forward to bringing that to market in the future. The current BCG offerings on the market, including ours, is suitable for most users. BUT, there is opportunity here.
None of these are intended to be excuses, but rather are what we think about internally when we review this and consider how we would approach this testing from a “scientific” standpoint. We also are interested to see this testing conducted on competitor products as well. We had some great conversations with Lucas and team at Trex Arms, respect the hell out of them for this thorough content, and look forward to follow-up discussions on this platform.
Our goal is to offer an affordable and reliable base for an AR10 setup. Whether that be for plinking, long-range shooting, hunting, SHTF, or other. This is a rifle platform we have been offering very successfully for years and truly believe it’s great for the vast majority of users. This is proven by the thousands of customers that are successfully and consistently running M5 configured rifles to date. With that being said, the rifle should be built to your specific use case.Our thoughts…
1. If you are building a rifle for extreme use, we would highly recommend getting the rifle in to it’s final configuration with whatever parts and components you prefer, testing it, and then securing that configuration. Items such as the bolt catch screw and handguard screws can benefit from blue Loctite, especially on the AR10 platform where there is much more force involved. We don’t generally do this from the factory as we aren’t offering a complete “out of the box” rifle and most M5 users are building from scratch, upgrading components, etc. Loctite can be your best friend and your worst enemy.
2. If you are shooting an AR10/M5 rifle suppressed, we highly recommend taking that type of use into account when building and selecting components. There are a couple different components that can and do help lower carrier velocity in the case of suppressed use. What this exact formula is will vary depending on use-case, but generally a rifle or A5 buffer system can greatly help on these large frame rifles. Adjustable gas blocks are another great solution if your use-case permits.
3. We specifically recommend PMAGs with the M5 platform. Through years of use, we have seen the most consistent success with PMAGs and the development of the lower receiver was done specifically with these magazines.
4. Maintenance is important. We understand the point of this specific test, but even military testing protocols require maintenance on this classification of firearm at round counts well before any critical failures occurred here. Specifically, if you run the rifle until it’s dry and fails to operate, you are introducing excessive wear on areas such as the BCG and shortening the lifespan of the part. We would not recommend shooting the rifle 2300+ rounds without maintenance. The BCG was also purchased as a standalone part where there is no lube from the factory as we do not lubricate BCGs that go into individual packaging. This means the rifle ran for 2300 rounds with no lube whatsoever. This point alone could have drastically changed the outcome with the BCG.
5. The BCG specifically is an opportunity area for improvement not just for Aero Precision, but for the AR10 platform in general. We utilize what we would consider the industry standard design for AR10/AR308 BCGs. We have been developing a more robust design that we are confident would perform better in this testing and we look forward to bringing that to market in the future. The current BCG offerings on the market, including ours, is suitable for most users. BUT, there is opportunity here.
None of these are intended to be excuses, but rather are what we think about internally when we review this and consider how we would approach this testing from a “scientific” standpoint. We also are interested to see this testing conducted on competitor products as well. We had some great conversations with Lucas and team at Trex Arms, respect the hell out of them for this thorough content, and look forward to follow-up discussions on this platform.
One part of their comments that stood out was this:
Again, he never did a 5K round burn down test on a competitor's AR-10. He is incapable of admitting this wasn't a good test, he didn't plan it out beyond "lets go do this", and he never delivered another data point by testing a different AR-10; all while claiming Aero was trying to get him to not post the video. This is why I don't like Lucas and don't trust anything he says, he is incapable of admitting fault. With how screwed up and weird his family is, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
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