🎭 Dramacow Gamergate / Depression Quest Shitstorm

[Smutley]

I'm surprised transwoman indie developer Anna Anthropy (Mighty Jill Off) isn't listed, since she seems to be the ideal candidate for the Quinn/SJW camp. If she's actually not taking sides, props to her.

Anna Anthropy shouldn't be listed just because she's a transwoman who wants equal rights. But she SHOULD be listed because Kotaku's Patricia Hernandez lived with her for about 6 months, potentially dated her and her partner while doing it, and wrote numerous articles on Kotaku about how great this dev is and how you should donate money to her without disclosing their very close personal relationships.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/2ejs7v/gaming_journalists_patricia_hernandez_of_kotaku/

 

[That Chris Guy]

Generally, I'm trying to avoid sites that sat on the story or presented only the side of Phil Fish and just casually tossed in that Zoe Quinn has been receiving harassment (*cough* Gamespot *cough*), but I've also followed the Gamergate steps of setting up an adblocker and preventing their clickbait from becoming a more popular Google search. I guess the only thing left is to complain to their advertising agencies, but I'll do that later.

Apparently according to Zoe Quinn, the voice actor behind female Commander Shepard (Jennifer Hale) is backing her now. Well good on you for backing a manipulative liar who can't own up to her asshattery, FemShep! That'll bring the female agenda forward, won't it?

(EDIT): Well beyond Zoe's commentary, Jennifer hasn't actually disclosed any real information regarding her position on this, besides saying she's for the interests of gamers. Hopefully this celebrity will actually do a little research beforehand.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Totally this.

I mean the dude clearly doesn't support a lot of the things SJW's do (something he showed while he was yelling misogyny while playing Sakura Spirit) I just think he made an extremely poor judgement here (what did he even do?)

This is pure speculation, but I think he doesn't fully understand the situation. It's a complicated matter and a lot of the news sources for gaming are still painting Quinn as the victim. Arin is busy with Game Grumps and probably figures this isn't that important to look into further, which I don't blame him for. Or he's just being Arin and can't be assed to do any digging. Again, I don't really blame him for that either. I'm still not sure what kind of impact Quinnspiracy will have on gaming journalism. It's entirely possible that this whole thing will be forgotten six months from now.

The people who support Zoe seem to fall into three categories: the uninformed, the out-right liars, and the SJW parrots. I think Arin falls into the first category.

And fuck the people who say Suzy pussy whipped him into supporting Quinn. Suzy gets so much undeserved shit from this fandom.

 

[Pine Tar]

Personally, I think Arin is supporting Zoe because JonTron is opposed to her. Just my two cents.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Looks like I'll be visiting APG Nation now for my gaming information. Here's the article we all wanted to hear:

http://apgnation.com/archives/2014/09/09/6977/truth-gaming-interview-fine-young-capitalists

 

[CWCissey]

And fuck the people who say Suzy pussy whipped him into supporting Quinn. Suzy gets so much undeserved shit from this fandom.

Oh definitely. Suzy has been with Arin from the start really, she just came to the forefront with GameGrumps.

The shit Suzy gets pretty much justifies the viewpoint of bitches like Sarkeesian and Quinn, so there's double reason to get pissed off at those people.

 

[Red_Rager]

Looks like I'll be visiting APG Nation now for my gaming information. Here's the article we all wanted to hear:

http://apgnation.com/archives/2014/09/09/6977/truth-gaming-interview-fine-young-capitalists

I am adding that site to my adblocker whitelist, nice work apgnation

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Oh definitely. Suzy has been with Arin from the start really, she just came to the forefront with GameGrumps.

The shit Suzy gets pretty much justifies the viewpoint of bitches like Sarkeesian and Quinn, so there's double reason to get pissed off at those people.

It's true. I always give people the benefit of the doubt, but I can't think of any other reason for the hate Suzy gets apart from her being a woman. The only bad thing I have to say about her is that her voice is so damn soft I can never hear her on the mic and that's a really minor thing. She's definitely not the funniest grump, but I feel like she's been improving with Monster Loves You and Five Nights at Freddy's.

 

[Jaimas]

Anna Anthropy shouldn't be listed just because she's a transwoman who wants equal rights. But she SHOULD be listed because Kotaku's Patricia Hernandez lived with her for about 6 months, potentially dated her and her partner while doing it, and wrote numerous articles on Kotaku about how great this dev is and how you should donate money to her without disclosing their very close personal relationships.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/2ejs7v/gaming_journalists_patricia_hernandez_of_kotaku/

Leave it to Smutley to expose that one. Well-done, AIDS Awareness Cat.

 

[StrongFemaleCharacter]

Found this comic on 4chan it sums up my thoughts on this whole gamer gate issue and anita sarkeesian. I think people are giving it far too much focus and need to relax and just play some vidya. That's what I always did whenever I got sick of life.
http://imgur.com/wh8u1N0

 

[That Chris Guy]

Found this comic on 4chan it sums up my thoughts on this whole gamer gate issue and anita sarkeesian. I think people are giving it far too much focus and need to relax and just play some vidya. That's what I always did whenever I got sick of life.
http://imgur.com/wh8u1N0

I thought part of the message to be taken away from that comic was that Anita Sarkheesian doesn't actually play video games, much less can be regarded as a "gamer", so her opinion is not the best to be counted upon.

Now forgetting about the whole debacle and returning to normality would be all well and good if gaming websites had no real impact on the gaming industry, but alas they do. More games are bought based on reviews than they used to be, and it's bad when some of these projects are given unfair or undue attention because they conflict with the personal interests of the journalist (e,g: sleeping with its developer). It's hard to let this issue go when you know these websites will continue to flourish and post (or not post in the case of censorship) their clickbait if you let them sweep this under the rug.

 

[Red_Rager]

Now this is refreshing, a reasonable article
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...look-at-the-controversy-sweeping-video-games/

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

Oh definitely. Suzy has been with Arin from the start really, she just came to the forefront with GameGrumps.

The shit Suzy gets pretty much justifies the viewpoint of bitches like Sarkeesian and Quinn, so there's double reason to get pissed off at those people.

Meh, some things have been said about Suzy from people closer to the situation that suggests she has had a part to play in some Game Grumps drama. I don't really view Arin as a part of this gamegate thing either but I generally do not like him from how I've heard he's handled his now defunct relationship with Jontron. That's just me though. I also don't view Jontron as part of this. All we know is he generally didn't like Zoe before this situation even occurred and that says something since the guy seems to genuinely put effort into getting along with people. It's very likely that his experience with Zoe during a failed game jam had something to do with that but we don't know.

It seems like if someone says a few things that could be taken as positive or negative about this whole situation they quickly get marked as on a side. It doesn't seem to matter to people that they stopped openly showing support weeks ago. It's kind of fucked up.

 

[CWCissey]

Meh, some things have been said about Suzy from people closer to the situation that suggests she has had a part to play in some Game Grumps drama. I don't really view Arin as a part of this gamegate thing either but I generally do not like him from how I've heard he's handled his now defunct relationship with Jontron. That's just me though. I also don't view Jontron as part of this. All we know is he generally didn't like Zoe before this situation even occurred and that says something since the guy seems to genuinely put effort into getting along with people. It's very likely that his experience with Zoe during a failed game jam had something to do with that but we don't know.

It seems like if someone says a few things that could be taken as positive or negative about this whole situation they quickly get marked as on a side. It doesn't seem to matter to people that they stopped openly showing support weeks ago. It's kind of fucked up.

I can't really judge him, because quite frankly, I don't know. From what I do know though, him and Suzy seem decent enough people, JonTron too, although Jon can come across as a bit abrasive to some.

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

I can't really judge him, because quite frankly, I don't know. From what I do know though, him and Suzy seem decent enough people, JonTron too, although Jon can come across as a bit abrasive to some.

Yeah, in the end though none of them have actively done anything to heavily influence gamergate other than a few tweets that just showed they kind of agreed with one side. People just love to say "EGORAPTOR IS ON OUR SIDE" or "JONTRON IS ON OUR SIDE". I don't blame people doing it when this first started and anyone making a comment about the Zoe thing was a big deal but we've passed that point. Now people are making actual plays against one another and shit is getting cray cray.

 

[Watcher]

Now this is refreshing, a reasonable article
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...look-at-the-controversy-sweeping-video-games/

Forbes is an impartial third party in this story. They only hire people with journalism degrees and deal with more mature subjects than video games. They also take things like journalistic integrity very seriously. (If Zoe fucked a Forbes writer they'd get fired by the end of the week, guaranteed. Especially if it leaked out that he wrote about her.)

 

[OBAMATRON]

Now this is refreshing, a reasonable article
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...look-at-the-controversy-sweeping-video-games/

I think Forbes got it right. Isn't the writer one of the assholes though?(Erik Kain, @EleSigma ?) He also got wizardchan right, which seems to be a first.

 

[Artard]

Forbes is an impartial third party in this story. They only hire people with journalism degrees and deal with more mature subjects than video games. They also take things like journalistic integrity very seriously. (If Zoe fucked a Forbes writer they'd get fired by the end of the week, guaranteed. Especially if it leaked out that he wrote about her.)

That's not accurate. Forbes has "contributors" similar to the HuffPo model and that's who Erik Kain is. He's not a reporter for Forbes.

http://digiday.com/publishers/publishing-platforms-pay-contributors/

 

[RP 520]

Now that I'm thinking about it, a while back in the SJW thread (couple months to a year ago) someone asked what would happen if SJW's ever had any legitimate power. Well the answer is here, if they're given just an inkling of power, they try to go full violent revolution with it.

They will use all means of control, be it lie, cheat, steal, bribe, manipulate, intimidate, extort, and blackmail, to shut down all fact checking, criticism and opposition to their brand of SJW rhetoric and make sure that their viewpoint (or in this case a product) goes unquestioned and they are on the top with all the power and money. Anyone that challenges that alone better be prepared to face the Internet Terrors.

The thing is about SJW's and really any movement, all of them have followers and leaders. You have your tumblrites who sit around whining about "oppression" while you have the Zoe Quinns who actually crawl out of their basements and put their whining into action.

I think Forbes got it right. Isn't the writer one of the assholes though?(Erik Kain, @EleSigma ?) He also got wizardchan right, which seems to be a first.

I'm going to remove him since the more I've read from the other articles he wrote, the more he actually seems unbiased and is really fed up with both sides and seems to have an educated take on it all. In a Sep. 1 article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/09/01/the-gamer-is-dead-long-live-the-gamer/ he seems to describe himself as a moderate in the whole thing at least.

I'm thinking about removing Egoraptor too, though I'm on the fence about that one. On one hand I think the other posters here are right in that Arin has a well known habit of blabbering on issues he has no idea about or should be a part of. On the other hand there is the chance he might actually support Zoe's side for some dumb and misinformed reason. It's a wait and see thing with me, maybe he will clarify his statement later on? Or one of the other grumps will chime in?

 

[Venusaur]

Oh definitely. Suzy has been with Arin from the start really, she just came to the forefront with GameGrumps.

The shit Suzy gets pretty much justifies the viewpoint of bitches like Sarkeesian and Quinn, so there's double reason to get pissed off at those people.

Agreed, the Suzy hate is something I can't understand. When Jon and Arin split, I remember the nasty rumors that it was because of Suzy. People seem to be trying to turn her into a Yoko Ono and pin every single douchebag thing Arin does on her. He's revealed himself to be ignorant about all sorts of subjects during his rambles in Game Grumps. The guy made cool little animations, but that doesn't make him into this infallible being. I tried getting some info on Suzy, to see if I could see if she was a crazy SJW, but the most I could find was her youtube channel:

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She seems to just really be into heavy makeup, hairstyling and glittery eyelashes. Not social justice or video games.

And good on Forbes for actually having the first well written articles that actually look at the events and facts. So far most of the people discussing the issue have been on youtube, and not all of them are as organized as Internet Aristorcrats (rambling and cursing angrily don't help you illustrate a point). Maybe this will start motivating more people to take a look into this. Hopefully the Fine Young Capitalists get more press, they need it as their project isn't fully funded yet!