Game of Thrones Thread

[Ginger Piglet]

I should have clarified, the only book that people actually want.


It would be like Tolkien trying to squeeze the Silmarillion in between TTT and RotK.

I think the problem is that he's never known how it ends beyond the vaguest of details. Hence this trashfire. He's spent so much time and effort writing this incredibly detailed setting with multiple well developed societies and cultures and then realised that there has to be a plot in there somewhere, rather than writing it like a Dungeons & Dragons campaign setting.

I honestly think the best way forward for the books would arguably be to do just that. Have a write-in D&D campaign set on Planetos and collate the results like how Ulrich Kiesow and the boys and girls behind Das Schwarze Auge did it. The result of that, incidentally, was the Borbarad saga which is seen as some of the best adventures and fiction the setting ever produced. It might just work.

EDIT: The Borbarad saga also dealt with a setting-changing invasion by otherwordly foes (demons, in that case) in which loads of setting- and plot-critical NPCs bought it.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

The cultures aren't that detailed really. I've read way spergier fantasy settings.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

If you can think of a better, crueler option, I'm all ears.

Whiskey Cavalier immediately springs to mind. Its a will they/won't they comedy action series about Lauren Cohan's terrible American accent. The writing is so dull and predictable it makes Bones look like Faulkner in comparison.

I might also recommend Marvel's Agents of SHIELD, a show that constantly tries to portray a paunchy, bald middle aged man as an intimidating badass. Its like a power fantasy made specifically for retail managers.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

The cultures aren't that detailed really. I've read way spergier fantasy settings.

He may not be as spergy but that doesn't mean he isn't detailed. And in fact I brought up a similar point earlier in the thread about George's connection to role playing games. I think he is a DM at heart and probably does keep plenty of notes like any DM does.

What he's missing is good players who can help him guide his story.

 

[Truthspeaker]

I should have clarified, the only book that people actually want.


It would be like Tolkien trying to publish the Silmarillion in between TTT and RotK.

Tolkien wrote a lot of what would become the Silmarilion before Fellowship was released. And he did all his writing by hunting and pecking on a typewriter after handwriting the manuscript, whilst holding down a gig as an Oxford professor and raising a family of four with his wife of over fifty years.

And Fire and Blood's excellent. It blows anything My New Favorite Showrunners &/or Best Friends have ever written out of the water, including The 25th Hour.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Tolkien wrote a lot of what would become the Silmarilion before Fellowship was released. And he did all his writing by hunting and pecking on a typewriter after handwriting the manuscript, whilst holding down a gig as an Oxford professor and raising a family of four with his wife of over fifty years.

And Fire and Blood's excellent. It blows anything My New Favorite Showrunners &/or Best Friends have ever written out of the water, including The 25th Hour.

I'm sure it's excellent. I'm just not particularly interested in reading it right now. Maybe he could have gotten away with this a few years after Dance. I have 3 friends who also read Martin. Not one of us has talked about this book let alone read it.

I bought his Atlas but only as a resource for the RPG. That one is good but it's also got tons of art in it,so I couldn't see that taking up a big chunk of time.

 

[Stoneheart]

So the 7...er 6 Kingdoms just became the Holy Roman Empire?

a very basic form. but d&d came up with that themself, they have no clue what the HRE was.

They banished Jon to a fucking country that is run by his family now and the only people who gave a shit about his punishment sailed to another continent. How much of the budget for this show did D&D directly pocket?

to be fair, the people who wanted him gone were all realy realy stupid and that realy could have worked.

 

[Kamen Rider Black RX]

I'm a book reader, so I was considering getting into the show just to have an ending. Now, I'm just hoping they don't fuck up The Witcher series and am content to leave ASoIaF unfinished..

 

[Starscreams Cape]

I guess I just realized that the single, solitary reason for them having the North secede, when one of their own was going to sit on the throne, was just to put Sansa's ass in a position of "real" authority. Warden of the North is not important enough.

I hate this show.

 

[friedshrimp]

smh my Sansa lolcow must be gloating, her smugness must be over the roof at this point. Don't feel like watching tbh. The only satisfaction I can get out of it is while her queen is "slaying it", she's a mediocre resentful woman who'll never amount to anything due to being so lazy.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

See, the really painful thing about this is... I get it. I get what they were aiming at. Daenerys as the well intentioned extremist. But you don't suddenly become that overnight. They should have span her transformation into the woman who massacred King's Landing over a whole run of episodes, starting with her attempt at being a benevolent ruler. Emilia's acting is top notch as is the cinematography and direction but the source material is so rushed and half-arsed that it's like very much polishing a turd at this point.

Have Series 8 be entirely devoted to the army of the dead, who win at Winterfell and have everyone make a last stand at KL in S9E1 and only just win, then have the rest of S9 be an epilogue about just how hard it is to build a better world.

EDIT: Also, how the shuddering fuck does Jon Snurrr not get torn to bits by the Unsullied and Dothraki, all of whom are unflinchingly loyal to Dany, after stabbing her?

EDIT EDIT: Tyrion refusing at first being the Hand of the King? See, that's the sort of character development we needed which came of out fucking nowhere. Rushed, this was. Rushed.

 

[Judge Holden]

Actually given how the writing team for this season seem to have been cribbing notes from the writers of World of Warcraft, why not go whole hog and have Dany choose to burn down Kings Landing and its people as the ultimate "scorched earth" policy against the undead in order to deny them the half million new zombies there after the hypothetical Jon/Arya/Whoever's suicide mission to the North I mentioned earlier seemingly fails and she finds herself betrayed by the Lannister regime even as she sacrifices her soldiers to hold the undead back from the city which combined with losing all her friends and closest advisors on the rout back from winterfell is what drives her to insanity.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I'm a book reader, so I was considering getting into the show just to have an ending. Now, I'm just hoping they don't fuck up The Witcher series and am content to leave ASoIaF unfinished..

Fortunately the author already gave the Witcher series an abrupt and unsatisfying ending so nothing to worry about!

 

[gobbogobb]

At least ghost got a pat. He should have bit John's hand off though.

Where did the fuckin dothraki go BTW? Infintely respawning Mongol hordes in your war torn Kingdom seems like a problem to be addressed.

 

[Tookie]

Where did the fuckin dothraki go BTW? Infintely respawning Mongol hordes in your war torn Kingdom seems like a problem to be addressed

Bran shipped them to Braavos to keep the Iron Bank busy.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Fortunately the author already gave the Witcher series an abrupt and unsatisfying ending so nothing to worry about!

That wasn't so much subverting expectations as being a drunken asshole.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

That wasn't so much subverting expectations as being a drunken asshole.

I would legit respect Martin more if he did what Sapkowski did instead of drag this out forever.. Get fed up with the publisher and say "Fine here's your ending. Everyone fucking died, and screw the other plot arcs."

EDIT: Yeah I know I know everyone dying was heavily foreshadowed. Last book is still rushed and weird.

 

[Tabtar]

Based on how bad the last season ended up, I’m going to consider the official end of the show being the point where Cersei blew up the church. That’s the last time I was truly happy with the plot.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Can I confess that this episode kinda gave me the feels. However, it was if anything due to the quality of the acting, and many of the bits that gave the feels would have been so much more effective had earlier boneheadedness been excised. The good bits in this episode, and also in S8 as a whole, have all been in spite of the shit writing. And for that reason I'm not prepared to write it off entirely as a series. But - the writing's awfulness really spoils everything else.

For instance, Brienne writing Jaime's obituary. Had there been no OATHSEX, this would have been a far greater tribute, almost like she's returning the favour of being knighted.

 

[gobbogobb]

Honestly I thought her account of Jamie's life was perfectly played given what we know about her character and her feelings towards Jamie even though he pulled a pump and dump.