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lol calm down dude no one is murdering anyone. Hate watch the last episode and let it go afterwards.

It's a show based on a book about princesses and their pet dragons and knights who fuck and say "fuck". GRRM isn't Hemmingway, and D&D sure as shit ain't Orson Welles. It always was bubble gum pop tv

The future is going to look back at the series and be like: "Decent show but batshit crazy fans/critics'
 
lol calm down dude no one is murdering anyone. Hate watch the last episode and let it go afterwards.

It's a show based on a book about princesses and their pet dragons and knights who fuck and say "fuck". GRRM isn't Hemmingway, and D&D sure as shit ain't Orson Welles. It always was bubble gum pop tv

The future is going to look back at the series and be like: "Decent show but batshit crazy fans/critics'
I don't know that Secret Asshole is especially upset. All his posts about every topic are like that. I think it's just his way.
 
The fact that no executives at HBO didn't break down their fucking door and scream in their faces is a testament to the incompetency of executives. Or they had full creative control and everyone just had to watch in fucking horror as these two vindictive cunts smiled like 'UP DA BUM' man and rammed the titanic full speed into an oil ship. The only explanation for this shit-tier level of writing is vindictiveness. And if the ending stinger is true, people will hunt them down and MURDER THEM

Everything I’ve read is that their contracts were pretty much iron clad, “we have the final say”, which does not actually mean that HBO couldn’t have at least attempted to buy them out if they really, really wanted to (and hey, why would they— ratings are blockbuster so everybody’s still getting paid.) Some of this shitshow can be traced to the recent ATT merger and the HBO CEO stepping down this week.

As for the cast, the guy who plays Euron is trolling up his Instagram and twitter with thinly veiled sarcasm directed at the showrunners.
 
Show turned to shit in season 5, it just took this long for people to catch up.

Oh, I've been calling out the dumb shit since the Faceless plot and the Dorne plot. As far as I'm concerned, especially seeing what we're all witnessing with Season 8 right now, the series died with Tywin Lannister. The last time an episode truly impressed me was the "Hold the Door" episode.

That said, even though the past few seasons haven't been good, nothing could have prepared me for the absolute SHIT SHOW that this final season is. This is by far the worst television I have subjected myself to in several years at least.
 
Sometimes writers, artists, TV/movie producers, musicians simply get bored with whatever it is they're doing, and that's when they turn the project over to someone who shits on it or they wind up shitting on it themselves. That combined with Weiss/Benioff simply not being very good at what they do could easily explain how quickly GOT went off the rails once they started deviating from the books.

But, hey, imagine how much worse it would have been if Damon Lindelof or David Goyer were involved in this series at any point.

I hardly ever blame actors for things being bad, unless the are also crappy off screen as they are on screen like wiht Brie Lawson. This is sad as these actors truly deserve truly better given that for many of them this show either put them on the map or expanded their potential in other films and genre like like Peter Dinklage going from comedy to now going to be in drama and other genre films being the main villain of Days of Future Past.

I blame them if they're crap at acting and especially if there's any hint of them ruining the project with stupid ideas. But something I'll give GOT credit for is that most of the casting has been excellent, with a few notable exceptions.
 
I don't know that Secret Asshole is especially upset. All his posts about every topic are like that. I think it's just his way.

Its the Way of the Asshole.

Everything I’ve read is that their contracts were pretty much iron clad, “we have the final say”, which does not actually mean that HBO couldn’t have at least attempted to buy them out if they really, really wanted to (and hey, why would they— ratings are blockbuster so everybody’s still getting paid.) Some of this shitshow can be traced to the recent ATT merger and the HBO CEO stepping down this week.

As for the cast, the guy who plays Euron is trolling up his Instagram and twitter with thinly veiled sarcasm directed at the showrunners.

I mean, yeah. Now I know why they might have let it happen. "Well, people won't stick around for 10 episodes of shit, but they'll stick with 6. Fine, whatever."

Well, the guy who plays Euron thought he was playing book Euron. Then he was playing "OI, FINGA UP DA BUM" man and he was very not happy.

Perhaps Emilia's acting is so good this season because it's no acting at all.
She is genuinely angry.

"How do we get Emilia to act?" - D

"Ruin her entire character, fucking lol" - D
 
If you go through the episodes D&D built up Daenarys into a vague Heroine/Redeemer archetype, starting with the birth of dragons/fire (S01E10). Jorah is astonished and in that instance, a true believer. In S05E09 you see the same look on Tyrion as Drogon lands in the fighting pit and Daenarys rides away, a look of shock and utter understanding at that moment that she's a Targaryen with a destiny. In S06EP04 when she exits the burning Dothraki hut after killing the khals all the Dothraki, Jorah and Dario Naharis bow to her as she exits, naked and unburnt. Dario also has the same amazed and enthralled look Jorah and Tyrion had earlier. In S06EP6 there's a similar scene as she addresses the Dothraki astride Drogon.

D&D set her up as a heroine with a special destiny in these scenes. What is missing are the scenes that depict her flaws, a lack of humility and understanding of limitations, the display of hubris that foreshadows downfall. This is a major error on their part since all their audience saw was the great Khaleesi, Mother of Dragons Daenarys Targaryen going to claim her throne King Arthur style but without the flaws that make the sack of Kings Landing plausible and her downfall/death inevitable. I'm inclined to agree with @Secret Asshole that D&D just didn't give a shit and wrapped it up as fast as they could. Fat Man will probably do a better job if he every gets around to it and maybe the shitstorm in progress will motivate him to do so.
 
Everything I’ve read is that their contracts were pretty much iron clad, “we have the final say”, which does not actually mean that HBO couldn’t have at least attempted to buy them out if they really, really wanted to (and hey, why would they— ratings are blockbuster so everybody’s still getting paid.) Some of this shitshow can be traced to the recent ATT merger and the HBO CEO stepping down this week.

As for the cast, the guy who plays Euron is trolling up his Instagram and twitter with thinly veiled sarcasm directed at the showrunners.
Post some.
 
Im not sure whats going to happen.
:confused:
But what I hope happens is, Daenerys kills Jon Snow and Arya and then takes the iron throne. A lot of people probably think think Daenerys is going to die. I hope not.
 
If you go through the episodes D&D built up Daenarys into a vague Heroine/Redeemer archetype, starting with the birth of dragons/fire (S01E10). Jorah is astonished and in that instance, a true believer. In S05E09 you see the same look on Tyrion as Drogon lands in the fighting pit and Daenarys rides away, a look of shock and utter understanding at that moment that she's a Targaryen with a destiny. In S06EP04 when she exits the burning Dothraki hut after killing the khals all the Dothraki, Jorah and Dario Naharis bow to her as she exits, naked and unburnt. Dario also has the same amazed and enthralled look Jorah and Tyrion had earlier. In S06EP6 there's a similar scene as she addresses the Dothraki astride Drogon.

One of the worst things about the abysmal failure of setting up Daenerys's evil turn is that, retroactively, every single character who believed in her, fought for her, idealized her, worshipped her, is now a total fucking idiot.

Daario Naharis? A cuntstruck idiot. Jorah Mormont? A cuntstruck idiot whose redemption arc is arguably even more trashed than Jaime Lannister's, since he devoted his life to the Westerosi Hitler. Missandei? A misled airhead with zero judgement of character. Barristan Selmy? A washed up old fool who died fighting for someone who wound up making Joffrey look like Captain Kangaroo. Grey Worm and by extension all the Unsullied? Totally mindless killing machines perfectly happy to slaughter innocents and follow Smokey the Bear's worst nightmare despite having been elevated from the cruelest slavery depicted on the show. Tyrion Lannister? An egotistical dimwit who apparently suffered severe brain damage while cooped up in that box across the sea, because he has not made one good decision since he hooked up with Burn Them All, Jr. Only Varys comes out of it looking all right, and let's be honest -- Varys only turned on her because someone had to, or else this twist really would have come out of nowhere. Never mind his mistrust of Danerys is completely at odds with the faith he's demonstrated in her since as far back as Stannis's siege of King's Landing.

I'll give you the Dothraki, since they were always a Frightening Brown Rape Cavalry.

I liked some of these characters, was meh on some of them, and absolutely adored a few, and because of the events of the last couple of hours, I will never again be able to see them as anything more than monstrous fools who enabled utterly pointless mass murder. Hell of a legacy for the biggest fantasy series since Lord of the Rings.
 
I will never again be able to see them as anything more than monstrous fools who enabled utterly pointless mass murder. Hell of a legacy for the biggest fantasy series since Lord of the Rings.
What astounded me about the last episode was the scene with whimpering Cersei and mortally wounded Jaime and the romantic violin music playing as the Red Keep collapsed. Were we all suppose to believe this was a romantic end? Cersei was a mean, stupid and vengeful twat who fucked her twin brother, passed their children off as Robert's, indulged her crazy inbred son and didn't so much as scold him when he beheaded Ned, starting the war, tried to assassinate both her brothers, stupidly armed the Faith Militant and when that backfired blew up the sept with not only the Faith but several houses, Margaery and her uncle inside which drives her son to suicide, cavorts with Finger in the Bum pirate (once again passing off her incest baby as Euron's) and chops off Missandrei's head ensuring Daenarys will retaliate.

Both actors are great and did well, it just destroyed Jaime's earlier characterization (why fuck Brienne at all if he actually cared for her?) and Cersei was not a simpering, helpless woman. An awful person maybe but hardly likely to collapse into sobbing, blubbering mess even at the end.

But she dies with Jaime embracing her how tragic and sad.🎻
 
One of the worst things about the abysmal failure of setting up Daenerys's evil turn is that, retroactively, every single character who believed in her, fought for her, idealized her, worshipped her, is now a total fucking idiot.

I mean, if they're going for the "realistic fantasy" gimmick, that makes some sense: sometimes the people you put your faith in aren't what you believe them to be, but you hang onto that belief because it's too painful to let go. The thing is, staying in the fantasy genre (especially with the whole "army of the dead" gimmick) railroaded most of the characters into the camp of MUH MOTHER OV DARGANZ.

In an actual political intrigue story, this could have been easily solved by making Cersei a credible alternative to Dany, if you can overcome the latter's 3-dragon lead. It wouldn't even be hard to do: just rip (another) page from I, Claudius (the book, not the show) and make her a capable administrator, the way Livia was. In the book, despite being a horrible (and occasionally horrifying) human being, Livia was really good at managing the day-to-day affairs of the empire. She may have cared nothing for the people and seen the empire itself as a tool for her own ambitions, but it was a tool that needed to be well-maintained to serve her purposes; as a result, she was ironically the most dangerous to the people closest to her, while the vast majority prospered under her leadership. Contrast that with Dany "the dragon is my character sheet" Targaryen, whose principle method of solving problems is setting them on fire.

But they didn't do a political intrigue story. They did a story that started with political intrigue, then got taken over by the creeping supernatural elements, then pulled the plug on all of those in the middle of the 3rd act to head right back to where they started for the climax. No wonder the plot is disjointed and the character arcs are circular: the looming threat that drove so much of the plot for the last seven seasons now never mattered.

Grey Worm and by extension all the Unsullied? Totally mindless killing machines perfectly happy to slaughter innocents and follow Smokey the Bear's worst nightmare despite having been elevated from the cruelest slavery depicted on the show.

In fairness, the Unsullied are one of the most exceptional things ever put to paper in the entirety of the fantasy genre, doubly so for a story with any pretensions of realism. Add to that the fact that George "I don't like good guys and bad guys" Martin made the Masters so cartoonishly evil that I'm actually insulting many of the complex, nuanced cartoon villains by comparing them to the Masters. For me, trying to slot them into any kind of realistic scenario just returns a massive DOES NOT COMPUTE.
 
I really don't get why Ian McElhinney is so salty, he got out while the going was good and he now has a cushy and likely to be beloved role as Granda Joe in 'Derry Girls'

'Who put 50p in the eejit?'
 
Well, the guy who plays Euron thought he was playing book Euron. Then he was playing "OI, FINGA UP DA BUM" man and he was very not happy.
At least he did an amazing job with what he was given. I won't say that I'm not disappointed that they ruined his character but if I didn't know what book Euron was like I wouldn't mind his show version at all.
 
In an actual political intrigue story, this could have been easily solved by making Cersei a credible alternative to Dany, if you can overcome the latter's 3-dragon lead. It wouldn't even be hard to do: just rip (another) page from I, Claudius (the book, not the show) and make her a capable administrator, the way Livia was. In the book, despite being a horrible (and occasionally horrifying) human being, Livia was really good at managing the day-to-day affairs of the empire. She may have cared nothing for the people and seen the empire itself as a tool for her own ambitions, but it was a tool that needed to be well-maintained to serve her purposes; as a result, she was ironically the most dangerous to the people closest to her, while the vast majority prospered under her leadership. Contrast that with Dany "the dragon is my character sheet" Targaryen, whose principle method of solving problems is setting them on fire.

That Cersei thinks she's a brilliant mastermind on level with her father but is actually terrible at ruling is effectively her characterization in the books as well as the show though, so while you could have changed that, at a certain point you're writing a Daenerys vs Livia fanfic, not an adaptation of Daenerys vs Cersei.

Her characterization in the show is still absurd though. They want her to seem ineffective and flamboyant in her machinations, but then offer no reason why Kings Landing isn't falling apart around her before Daenerys' arrival. In the books its mostly due to her uncle Kevan and Maester Pycelle that things keep on keeping on during her rule but the show cut them out without really replacing them considering that Qyburn doesn't really seem to do anything. Your idea could still have worked if they'd at least had someone who was good a managing the day to day affairs of the kingdom and Cersei was just taking all the credit.
 
Rage-ate? ...what even is that? Eating without chewing?
It's eating as much icecream as you want but it's not your fault.

In fairness, the Unsullied are one of the most exceptional things ever put to paper in the entirety of the fantasy genre, doubly so for a story with any pretensions of realism
What makes them so exceptional, compared to say, the janissaries in Turkey, which was an army made up off captured boys (slaves) from christian lands, (although they weren't made eunuchs like the harem guards, but instead under strict vow of celibacy).

Even the requirement of killing part is somewhat comparable to both spartan (who had to kill a helot, which were the majority of their population) and native american requirements (I think it was for jaguar warriors, who had to capture someone alive from one of the lesser tribes without being caught).
 
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This is true only depending on the army and time period in question. A general rule is that most medieval sieges (since the show most accurate reflects the high middle ages) ended with the city surrendering without a breach
most of the time the city just paid some money and was never sieged. citys normaly didnt have good walls or alot of people willing to defend them.
they just didnt cared alot who would own the city because city rights werent different under different lords.
Castles on the other hand were alot better defended by people who cared.
 
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