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Also anyone getting angry about a movie or TV show, especially one this close to the end: please examine your life and your priorities.

It's bad, but in the end what does it really matter?
 
Just got an Apple News Spotlight notification on my phone about how they're upset over Game of Thrones.
 
Feline Supremacist dijo:
Big if true: Has George R.R. Martin Secretly Written Books 6 and 7 Already?

For several years, we here at Observer have methodically tracked the progress (or lack thereof) of George R.R. Martin’s The Winds of Winter, the sixth book in his A Song of Ice and Fire series on which HBO’s Game of Thrones is based. Martin released the most recent novel in the series, A Dance With Dragons, way back in 2011 and has publicly said he never envisioned the show concluding before his own tale. But alas, the series finale of Game of Thrones will air this Sunday, and The Winds of Winter is still nowhere to be seen.

Or is it?

Former Game of Thrones star Ian McElhinney—who played Ser Barristan Selmy, a character from the series who is notably still alive in the books—made some shocking comments recently at the Epic Con convention, which took place this past April. He claimed that Martin has already finished the final two books but struck an agreement with HBO not to publish them until after the show has ended, reports Collider.

“George has already written Books 6 and 7, and as far as he’s concerned there only are seven books,” the actor reportedly said. “But he struck an agreement with David [Benioff] and Dan [Weiss], the showrunners on the series, that he would not publish the final two books until the series has completed. So if all goes well, in another month or two we might get Books 6 and 7, and I’m intrigued to know how Barristan, for instance, ends up going through those final two books. George, I talked to him during Season 1 and he did say to me that Barristan had a very interesting journey. But unfortunately I didn’t get to play all of that, so we’ll have to wait and see.”

Game changer, thy name is Ian McElhinney. Many fans—us included—have bemoaned Martin’s lack of progress on the long-awaited novels. But once it became clear around Season 5 that the show was surpassing the narrative of the books, Martin provided the showrunners with the broad strokes of his intended ending (which is hopefully handled with more care than last night’s episode, “The Bells”). Perhaps that is when this alleged agreement was reached, though this all remains completely unconfirmed at this time.

When reached for comment, HBO directed us to Random House, the publishing company behind the books. Random House has not yet responded to Observer’s request for comment.
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I like McElhinney and he got dicked over hard on this show, but he also has a bit of a propensity to spout off bullshit because of how much he dislikes the showrunners. As much as I would love for there to be two more asoiaf books to read in the very near future, Random House has no reason to put off the millions they'd make off TWOW finally coming out to let the show finish. It'd be either an exceptional gamble that D&D tank the popularity of the show and suddenly there's renewed interest in the books, or an overly optimistic belief that the mass market would still care for the full illustration of the series' ending after getting the cliffs notes from the teevee show.
 
I dunno the new watchmen series looks like it will take the cake from GOT in terms of not following the book.

HBO got the series because DC made like a quasi sequel book which Moore did sign off of, so HBO took the rights to that and then changed it back to Watchmen because they talked to DC and said it would sell better than the sequel.

Now the series itself is based off of The dairy being found and a Right Wing Fundie cult being founded because Rorschach was all about hating the government because he was a vigilante. So they want to take over the government and restore it back to the way the founders wanted it by having it revolve around Christianity because that's what Washington intended. Essentially the Rorschach cult is the Waco compound.

Now in the world of the watchmen Ozy takes over after faking the alien invasion. So all the police are disbanded since he is the supreme ruler, then they reform it by making it Stalin's Secret police but with batman weaponry. But these police are all sourced from Antifa groups and every single one of them is a diversity tankie rebel. Now the Rorschach cult people start going around and killing these police officers and it's hate crimes. So the Antifa Police are the good guys and are the new Watchmen and are trying to stop Waco from killing all these Secret Police People and they're only killing them because they're brown or gay. Also Christianity is bad is a thread throughout the series, going by the write up of including gay muslims in the show so it's very intentional.

One of the characters is a reference to the pirate side story because HBO wants you to know they're down with all the nerds. Basically the whole show is like Agents of Shield but then they decided to rename it X-Men and then never put wolverine or cyclops in it and they're all running around in generic uniforms and nobody really has special powers.

Zero blue dongs tho so not diverse enough.
 
Absolutego dijo:
I like McElhinney and he got dicked over hard on this show, but he also has a bit of a propensity to spout off bullshit because of how much he dislikes the showrunners. As much as I would love for there to be two more asoiaf books to read in the very near future, Random House has no reason to put off the millions they'd make off TWOW finally coming out to let the show finish. It'd be either an exceptional gamble that D&D tank the popularity of the show and suddenly there's renewed interest in the books, or an overly optimistic belief that the mass market would still care for the full illustration of the series' ending after getting the cliffs notes from the teevee show.
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Maybe HBO paid them to care. For some reason.

I dunno, it sounds stupid. I just want to believe.
 
Feline Supremacist dijo:
What's the issue with medieval war tactics in a medieval setting? There was no Geneva Convention as far as I know and the whole "might makes right" maxim is fairly accurate for the time. My only issue is introducing magic & dragons and not explaining/using them in a manner fitting the story. How does she control these flying lizards? Why doesn't she fall off? Why not hire the Faceless Men to kill your enemies? There's more but you all get my drift.

Edit; Keeping in mind GRRM has written backstories in which the Dragonlords use magic and spells to control their pets as well as using saddles and armor. And they also went full General Sherman on Westeros when they needed to.
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Other than Dany torching the city because of her frustration, the sack by the combined armies makes no sense either. When cities were besieged and a breach was forced, conquering armies would normally sack the city -- usually against the wishes of their commanders. That was mostly from sieges lasting weeks or months and being besieged sucked a lot less than being a soldier besieging a city and dealing with rain, mud, digging entrenchments, harassing archery or gunfire, rampant disease, etc. If they were not held back by their commanders they would go absolute ape shit.

This army didn't lay a siege. They sat outside for ten minutes and a dragon breached the wall for them. They didn't sit outside for months on end half-starved. They had no pent up hatred for this city or it's inhabitants. There were no sergeants or officers in their ranks to keep them in formations as they pushed into the city and hold back looting. There were no provosts. Sacking a city after a siege is a real thing, but this wasn't it. It's just "lol we wanted to show the realities of war" but done in a terribly disjointed way.

Like everything else this season tbh.
 
Also in most pre-modern, nonprofessional armies the loot gained in sacking was the bulk of a soldier's pay. Though from the clips I've seen I don't see anyone wanting to brave the city to loot it while Dany is systematically torching it district by district.
 
If the show had gotten 10 seasons they probably could have shown how much besieging a city sucked from Jamie's perspective at Riverrun. Walls work for good reasons, and one of those reasons is that against a well prepared city the besieging force is more likely to become starved and diseased than the people inside the walls.
 
not william stenchever dijo:
If the show had gotten 10 seasons they probably could have shown how much besieging a city sucked from Jamie's perspective at Riverrun. Walls work for good reasons, and one of those reasons is that against a well prepared city the besieging force is more likely to become starved and diseased than the people inside the walls.
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They would have still skipped it. Siege warfare would makke for incredibly boring tv, even with Jamie's manic attempts to end the campaign asap so he could go fuck Cersei again.
 
Your Weird Fetish dijo:
Aren't they about the same age in real life?
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They are. Maisie was born in April of '97, and Sophie in February of '96. It's about as normal as secret celebrity gay relationships get.

madethistocomment dijo:
Dude, just admit you wanna see them fuck. The exceptional tinfoil hat shit is a terrible cover for the thirst.
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I don't. Maisie and Sophie aren't really my type. If I was just thirstposting, I'd talk about Lena Heady hooking up with Indira Varma or Emilia Clarke.

I do like them both as actresses though. Especially Maisie. They both brought something special to their parts, and it's a damn shame the two assholes in charge didn't do the same for their own jobs when crunchtime came.

Here's hoping they get the chance to be in better material that rewards their efforts someday.

gobbogobb dijo:
They would have still skipped it. Siege warfare would makke for incredibly boring tv, even with Jamie's manic attempts to end the campaign asap so he could go fuck Cersei again.
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This is what timeskips are for. To be honest, Martin should've done this himself, but he didn't, and now he's a million words away from finishing the series.
 
Your Weird Fetish dijo:
Also in most pre-modern, nonprofessional armies the loot gained in sacking was the bulk of a soldier's pay. Though from the clips I've seen I don't see anyone wanting to brave the city to loot it while Dany is systematically torching it district by district.
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This is true only depending on the army and time period in question. A general rule is that most medieval sieges (since the show most accurate reflects the high middle ages) ended with the city surrendering without a breach. Usually when they ran out of food or water. Like the fella above me said, walls existed for a reason. Even after the widespread use of gunpowder, fortifications were still a bitch to breach up to the Napoleonic Era.

To give an example, at the Siege of Harfleur during the Hundred Years War, the city surrendered without a breach while King Henry V's army suffered through an epidemic of dysentery. Soldiers were literally shitting themselves to death. When the city surrendered there was no sack. The English noblemen and knights were allowed to claim ransoms on French knights, but the longbowmen that had been sentries, dug trenches and latrines, and comprised the overwhelming bulk of the army got jack shit.
 
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The crazy GoT fans are tearing their hair out and screeching almost non-stop. A true Meltdown May, and it's fantastic.
 
To be fair Jon is a bit shit when you think on it, if she hadnt just BBQ'd half of kings landing for poorly defined reasons the idea of Jon "no seriously guys my wizard brother and some guy whose dad got roaster by dragons says I'm legit" Snow Running things would be a total joke.

I mean how popular is a man who got stabbed to death by his own men?

Still that's an embarrising displays by any stretch.
 
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