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That makes no sense. They all had mothers and other relatives. And some of them had highborn mothers or relatives. She did do it openly as well. It's why Janos Slynt gets sent to The Wall. Tyrion learns of it immediately when coming to King's Landing and orders every single guard who was part of it to be arrested. It's just one of those things that is hand waved for plot reasons.
I know that they have people who will directly cry for them. I am talking in the context of the story. The bastards she got killed were lowborn children. The ones who were acknowledged as Robert's children and had some sort of highborn ancestry were not harmed. Nobody happened to Cersei because no one with any power was related to those kids. It'd be a different story if Cersei had tried to kill Edric, because he was under the protection of Robert's family, same for that girl from the Eyrie.
 
GRRM took part in a worldcon panel along with Brandon Sanderson among other people.



This event is most notable because some troon ( I think the same that posted the video) told George R.R. Martin to his face that he's going to die soon and started to ask whether Brandon Sanderson would finish his books and everyone started to boo. Sanderson was right next to him.

I didn't bother to watch the whole thing since it's very long and of low audio quality but there are some claims made by some people that GRRM had been rude during the event and passively-aggressively mocking Sanderson earlier. It is unknown if that person was a pissed off fan of Sanderson or not, but it might be possible.

Some claims:
- He often interrupted others, and talked over the women specifically.
-George was telling a story of how smart a child he was that he knew Jesus didn't exist at 8 years old and how stupid Christians are, Sanderson stared down and his face got a little red. (1:08:16 timemark)
- Brandon got asked a question about hard magic systems and how he creates them. George jumped in and went on a ten minute rant about how hard magic systems are dumb, he hates them, no one wants to read them, and you're a questionable author if you write them.
- Brandon's successful business (Dragonsteel) and kickstarters got brought up a couple times and George got all worked up. Said authors shouldn't be expected to do social media or do anything other than write. And also said some things like "just because someone does a kickstarter doesn't mean they can write or that the book is worth reading"
- George directly asked Brandon, "you're Mormon right? How do you deal with that?" And it came across with a really blunt and snarky tone. This was a few questions after he said Christians were stupid and Jesus was make believe.
 
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GRRM does look like an older version of this guy
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This was a few questions after he said Christians were stupid and Jesus was make believe.
Now say the same thing about Islam or Judaism. I bet you he won't.
 
GRRM does look like an older version of this guy
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Now say the same thing about Islam or Judaism. I bet you he won't.
Honestly its probably just him seething at the fact that Sanderson has done more work as an author in the last week than he has in the last decade. Also the fact that Mormons like Sanserson tend to be conflict-adverse- if he'd tried that with John C. Wright there would have been blood on the table
 
Don't take this as me defending Martin's behavior because I'm not and some of you autists will claim otherwise, but aside from being reminded that people would rather this more prolific writer to replace him, I'm sure he doesn't want this one specifically to do so because they don't have the same views. And he has the right to say so.

Like, imagine I die and people say my account should be from now managed by Zinnia Jones.

Some of the things he said might have been somehow correct, but apparently he was an asshole about it.
 
- He often interrupted others, and talked over the women specifically.
People like GRRM hid their sexism behind flowery words of political correctness. Like how he has horrid shit happen to women in his stories because that gets him hard, but he excuses it by saying that women were treated horribly back in the day, even though Dark Ages/Medieval rulers treated rapists like scum and either executed them (Theodora) or sent them off to die in some holy war to atone for their sins. (The Papacy)

-George was telling a story of how smart a child he was that he knew Jesus didn't exist at 8 years old and how stupid Christians are, Sanderson stared down and his face got a little red. (1:08:16 timemark)
Jesus was historically recognized as a real person. The Jews and Romans who despised Him openly recognized His existence as a criminal, while His followers never had to prove He existed; only that He was the Son of God and God Himself. This just reveals how stupid GRRM is and how his scholarship was at the same level as your typical Reddit atheist who attacks low-IQ Evangelicals.

- Brandon got asked a question about hard magic systems and how he creates them. George jumped in and went on a ten minute rant about how hard magic systems are dumb, he hates them, no one wants to read them, and you're a questionable author if you write them.
Again, this shows how GRRM isn't as smart as he pretends to be, since hard magic systems have rules and limits that force authors to be smart to work around or with them, whereas GRRM is inconsistent with his magic systems in his works. Up to today, we still don't know if Euron has legitimate magic powers, or if he's just a nut who's gone mad.

- Brandon's successful business (Dragonsteel) and kickstarters got brought up a couple times and George got all worked up. Said authors shouldn't be expected to do social media or do anything other than write. And also said some things like "just because someone does a kickstarter doesn't mean they can write or that the book is worth reading"
The professional jealousy is literally dripping from GRRM with that. No wonder the Witcher author decided to pick on him for not publishing books on time.

- George directly asked Brandon, "you're Mormon right? How do you deal with that?" And it came across with a really blunt and snarky tone. This was a few questions after he said Christians were stupid and Jesus was make believe.
GRRM once again shows that his limit of intelligence is the same as that of a Reddit atheist whose only experience with religious people are low-IQ retards. I bet if I brought an educated priest to debate him, he'd get flustered.
 
Don't take this as me defending Martin's behavior because I'm not and some of you autists will claim otherwise, but aside from being reminded that people would rather this more prolific writer to replace him, I'm sure he doesn't want this one specifically to do so because they don't have the same views. And he has the right to say so.

Like, imagine I die and people say my account should be from now managed by Zinnia Jones.

Some of the things he said might have been somehow correct, but apparently he was an asshole about it.

There's also the matter of it being on record that many people have voiced their fears of GRRM's approaching date with the Reaper and it upsets him terribly when they do so (and, whatever his flaws, I don't think this is an unreasonable response -- your dragonfucking soap opera is not more important than a man's life, even if he is procrastinating on finishing it). Go on and bait him on the topic in public if you must, but don't be surprised when neither the author nor his fans like it.
 
Brandon's successful business (Dragonsteel) and kickstarters got brought up a couple times and George got all worked up. Said authors shouldn't be expected to do social media or do anything other than write. And also said some things like "just because someone does a kickstarter doesn't mean they can write or that the book is worth reading"
I know the saying about glass houses, but this is a fucking glass castle
 
There's also the matter of it being on record that many people have voiced their fears of GRRM's approaching date with the Reaper and it upsets him terribly when they do so (and, whatever his flaws, I don't think this is an unreasonable response -- your dragonfucking soap opera is not more important than a man's life, even if he is procrastinating on finishing it). Go on and bait him on the topic in public if you must, but don't be surprised when neither the author nor his fans like it.
GRRM's problem is his pride. He doesn't have long for this world, yet he still acts like he can publish these two massive novels and wrap up every plot point, when it's clear that he wrote himself into a corner. He should just admit that it's a lost cause so he can go around and work with other projects, which is what he actually wants to do. Tell the fans to go write their own endings and move on.
 
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Don't take this as me defending Martin's behavior because I'm not and some of you autists will claim otherwise, but aside from being reminded that people would rather this more prolific writer to replace him, I'm sure he doesn't want this one specifically to do so because they don't have the same views. And he has the right to say so.

Like, imagine I die and people say my account should be from now managed by Zinnia Jones.

Some of the things he said might have been somehow correct, but apparently he was an asshole about it.
The lgbtqslop that insulted grrm happened late into the con long after he already acted like a dick for 2+ hours. I don't think grrm even gave a response to that, he just kept weirdly quiet while Sanderson replied that he doesn't want to write ASOIAF anyway.
Sanderson turned into a wokist and now thinks books should always include wokeshit. He should never ever write ASOIAF.
GRRM is a massive leftist as well, although the guy is stuck 30 years ago so his leftist views are rather outdated by now. Either way Sanderson said on record that he doesn't like asoiaf too much and wouldn't want to write it.
 
Sanderson replied that he doesn't want to write ASOIAF anyway.
Either way Sanderson said on record that he doesn't like asoiaf too much and wouldn't want to write it.
I'd imagine having to wrap up GRRM's mess of a plotline after the last two books bloated the story to Naruto filler levels of BS would be the kind of herculean task that most writers would rather nope out of. At least, in an official capacity; fanfic writers can and have gone nuts with making their own endings for ASOIAF.

There should be someone present at every con/event GRRM goes to that asks him why he's such a fat miserable fuck.
The answer to that is obvious: he wants to leave the main ASOIAF series behind so he can work on other things. Yet he's too proud to admit that he's giving up on the former. So he keeps stringing the fans along with excerpts and promises, even though more and more fans are beginning to see through his bullshit and realize that the books will never be finished. Which then explains why he is a fat miserable fuck. He's in a hell of his own creation.
 
That's ironic because GRRM has recently announced that he has started working on a tv adaptation of some long dead friend's work that is a re-imagining of Hercules' labors.
Which again, goes to show that he really should just let ASOIAF die and let the fans write their own endings. He clearly wants to do something else entirely.
 
This event is most notable because some troon ( I think the same that posted the video) told George R.R. Martin to his face that he's going to die soon and started to ask whether Brandon Sanderson would finish his books and everyone started to boo. Sanderson was right next to him.

I didn't bother to watch the whole thing since it's very long and of low audio quality but there are some claims made by some people that GRRM had been rude during the event and passively-aggressively mocking Sanderson earlier. It is unknown if that person was a pissed off fan of Sanderson or not, but it might be possible.

Some claims:
- He often interrupted others, and talked over the women specifically.
-George was telling a story of how smart a child he was that he knew Jesus didn't exist at 8 years old and how stupid Christians are, Sanderson stared down and his face got a little red. (1:08:16 timemark)
- Brandon got asked a question about hard magic systems and how he creates them. George jumped in and went on a ten minute rant about how hard magic systems are dumb, he hates them, no one wants to read them, and you're a questionable author if you write them.
- Brandon's successful business (Dragonsteel) and kickstarters got brought up a couple times and George got all worked up. Said authors shouldn't be expected to do social media or do anything other than write. And also said some things like "just because someone does a kickstarter doesn't mean they can write or that the book is worth reading"
- George directly asked Brandon, "you're Mormon right? How do you deal with that?" And it came across with a really blunt and snarky tone. This was a few questions after he said Christians were stupid and Jesus was make believe.
If GRRM were to die and the rights were to magically be handed over to me to finish it. I would write an ending to The Winds Of Winter where all the characters swear an oath to Jesus Christ and convert to Christianity. And that is how the series will end.
 
His fans are right to ask him if he’d gonna finish it before he dies. They fund his lifestyle. It’s not rude to ask that, it’s rude if you ask it mockingly like you’re gloating.

GRRM's problem is his pride. He doesn't have long for this world, yet he still acts like he can publish these two massive novels and wrap up every plot point, when it's clear that he wrote himself into a corner. He should just admit that it's a lost cause so he can go around and work with other projects, which is what he actually wants to do. Tell the fans to go write their own endings and move on.
I wouldn’t say solely pride, but more that the shows ending stole the wind out of his sails. Dollars to donuts, the show ending is 80% what he has in mind.

His ego got bruised. There are manga and books I like where the author gets influenced by the fans/ their editor and something forshadowed doesn’t happen because of a break out character. The entire shit with Arya feels like something he did for his wife and people hated it.
 
His fans are right to ask him if he’d gonna finish it before he dies. They fund his lifestyle. It’s not rude to ask that, it’s rude if you ask it mockingly like you’re gloating.
The problem is, hus ego gets bruised when he's asked that, so you won't get an answer that isn't tainted by spite.

I wouldn’t say solely pride, but more that the shows ending stole the wind out of his sails. Dollars to donuts, the show ending is 80% what he has in mind.
A lot of fans try to deny it, but you speak the truth. Dany burning the capital is not in sync with show Dany, who was painted to be a messiah, but it is in line with book Dany, who is currently suffering in the desert, and the fact that Martin doesn't like monarchs. Arya killing the leader of the Others despite Jon being built up to kill him is the kind of subversive shit I'd expect from someone who isn't a big fan of the LOTR-style archetypes and sought to subvert them.

His ego got bruised. There are manga and books I like where the author gets influenced by the fans/ their editor and something forshadowed doesn’t happen because of a break out character. The entire shit with Arya feels like something he did for his wife and people hated it.
That is the best explanation I have as to why GRRM is stalled with the books. He gave his legit ending for them to Dan and Dave, and they executed it faithfully. And the people hated it. But GRRM, being glued to the idea of subversion, can't figure out how to create an ending that won't piss off the fans and would still carry his subversive themes forward.

There are also other works such as video games that did what GRRM is trying to do, but better. I remember how the Undead Scourge in Warcraft 3 subverted and decimated medieval kingdoms like Lordaeron, Quel 'Thalas, and Dalaran, by poisoning the food supply to turn people into zombies, then by having zombie knights, mages, and spiders lead that army of corpses to decimate the kingdoms. If the Others were half as smart, they could've taken King's Landing right before Stannis assembled his fleet to assault the city. Instead, the zombies wait with their thumbs up their butts on their side of the Wall, 5 books in, and they've done practically nothing while the human infighting was the main plot of the books.
 
His fans are right to ask him if he’d gonna finish it before he dies. They fund his lifestyle. It’s not rude to ask that, it’s rude if you ask it mockingly like you’re gloating.
I agree with this. We can ask any question about anything to anyone without being a rude motherfucker. Autists have to ruin it for everybody.

A lot of fans try to deny it, but you speak the truth. Dany burning the capital is not in sync with show Dany, who was painted to be a messiah, but it is in line with book Dany, who is currently suffering in the desert, and the fact that Martin doesn't like monarchs.
I keep hearing that and to be fair, I don't see book Dany going mad either ,unless you do pull that subversion out of nothing. Jon, who was betrayed by his own people have more motivation to go bitter and become insanely paranoid like his grandpa Aerys. Aerys' madness increased after he was kept a hostage for some considerable time.

There is one thing about readers is that they claim that Dany can become mad because she's a Targaryen, forgetting that Jon is too, and he also has outbursts of violence that Dany hasn't yet had. Whenever she's acted violently, it's based on being provoked, like how she crucified slavers who first crucified children out of spite for her.

And the one who's burning the capital to the sound of bells is Connington. It's as foreshadowed in book 5 as when Dany saw a man with a wolf head in her visions and we had that in book 3.

Arya killing the leader of the Others despite Jon being built up to kill him is the kind of subversive shit I'd expect from someone who isn't a big fan of the LOTR-style archetypes and sought to subvert them.
There is no leader of the Others in the book, though. At least, not for now and I honestly can't remember if GRRM said we wouldn't have one. He has a more chaotic view of magic, so I'm assuming the Others are walking South for a different motivation than being sent by their leader.
 
I keep hearing that and to be fair, I don't see book Dany going mad either ,unless you do pull that subversion out of nothing. Jon, who was betrayed by his own people have more motivation to go bitter and become insanely paranoid like his grandpa Aerys. Aerys' madness increased after he was kept a hostage for some considerable time.
Dany is going through worse than being held hostage. Last I checked, she had diarrhea in the wild. Not to mention pulling subversions out of nothing is GRRM's trademark at this point.

There is one thing about readers is that they claim that Dany can become mad because she's a Targaryen, forgetting that Jon is too, and he also has outbursts of violence that Dany hasn't yet had. Whenever she's acted violently, it's based on being provoked, like how she crucified slavers who first crucified children out of spite for her.
Dany is pure Targaryen, not half, which Jon is. Remember, his mother was a Stark. That, and Jon grew up with a positive male role model in Ned, and a loving brother in Robb. Catelyn was a piece of shit to him, but she was the exception that proved the rule. Ser Roderick, Arya, Robb, Ned, they were all nice to him.

Dany, on the other hand, grew up with Viserys as her only guide, and he was a vain-glorious twat who had dreams of revenge, conquest, and power. Put Jon in the same situation Dany was in, and the worst he'd do is decapitate the slavers and put their heads on spikes outside the city as a warning. He wouldn't crucify them, because that is not what Ned would've done. Neither would burning the capital. But Dany might do it if the capital put up enough resistance against her.

And the one who's burning the capital to the sound of bells is Connington. It's as foreshadowed in book 5 as when Dany saw a man with a wolf head in her visions and we had that in book 3.
We don't know that for sure. What we do know is that GRRM gave an outline of his ending to Dan and Dave, and Season 8 was the result.

For all we know, it could be Euron who burns the capital after using a dragonbinder horn to steal a dragon from Dany. Burning a capital city with a dragon is right up a pirate's alley, especially if it's a pirate with apocalyptic visions. Or maybe, he's just a nut, and he can't actually steal dragons with that horn.

There is no leader of the Others in the book, though. At least, not for now and I honestly can't remember if GRRM said we wouldn't have one. He has a more chaotic view of magic, so I'm assuming the Others are walking South for a different motivation than being sent by their leader.
But that's the thing; we don't know shit about the Others because all we had was GRRM focusing on human soap opera drama and backstabbing for 5 books. For all we know, they could have some leader who serves as a universal off switch for the undead if he's killed. Or maybe there is some sort of hive mind and you have to kill every last member of the Others to turn off the undead army. But most of the cast don't give a crap about them because they've been sideshow freaks for five fucking books. If a random conjurer somehow killed the Others, the setting would barely change.

I'm willing to bet that whatever kills the Others has something to do with Arya. Unlike Jon, she's a full-blooded Stark, and the only true born Stark at this point with some fighting capacity. After all, the undead are a Stark problem; the rest of the kingdoms barely gave a shit about them.
 
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