🦊 Furry Furry Fandom and Drama General

[M110 wireless hole punch]

Weasyl and FurryNetwork are both competently-made websites but neither one really had the ability to gain any meaningful presence in the fandom. Weasyl, because they fought and lost the battle of widespread adoption against FA at its height, and FurryNetwork because the website is funded/owned by Bad Dragon and people objected to using it on those grounds.

I think that might be the contemporary explanation for furry network not taking off but I think that is not entirely true.

Furry network launched to the furry public in May of 2016 during BLFC, while FA was experiencing an outage from an attack. Those individuals (to my knowledge) have never been named but from all the gossip circles, rumor mills and people I know who were kind of in the know believe it was done by bad dragon. I think that even with that sort of leverage and momentum they just fumbled it at the goal line and didn't have a product that was good enough to make people switch. Ten years ago FA was really still a powerhouse and it was where the fandom happened, furry twitter was a thing but it wasn't the spot where online interactions were taking place. All of my friends who had an FA then, and signed up for furry network, stopped using it within a month once FA stabilized.

A decade later, a few of them still use FA and a few still use twitter. Now everyone just uses discord or telegram.

 

[Barry Williams]

Furry network launched to the furry public in May of 2016 during BLFC, while FA was experiencing an outage from an attack. Those individuals (to my knowledge) have never been named but from all the gossip circles, rumor mills and people I know who were kind of in the know believe it was done by bad dragon.

I remember that, I don't doubt that was the case. IIRC, Bad Dragon (or rather BD's holding company) had made at least one very public move to attempt to acquire FurAffinity and I assume Dragoneer said "no" (perhaps because he was royally fucked by that IMVU deal and at the time had only recently regained ownership and a controlling stake in the website). Varka does not seem like the kind of person who will take a "no" kindly, so his next choice of action was to try literal subversion and use the ensuing power vacuum to try and force FurryNetwork to be "a thing".

There's absolutely no proof of that, of course, but it sounds completely plausible given the circumstances and what we know about all involved parties.

 

[Diddledones]

Exciting news for Bluey fans!

Spoiler

https://bad-dragon.com/products/wrangler

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Is there not like a thread for these guys?

 

[Nimbat Out Of Hell]

Weasyl and FurryNetwork are both competently-made websites but neither one really had the ability to gain any meaningful presence in the fandom. Weasyl, because they fought and lost the battle of widespread adoption against FA at its height, and FurryNetwork because the website is funded/owned by Bad Dragon and people objected to using it on those grounds.

powerleveling a little, but I used to be involved in Weasyl years ago. Not gonna elaborate further on how for obvious reasons. The site was pretty much doomed from the start because there was no budget or desire to find webdevs to actually get the website up to snuff to actually compete with other websites in the space. It was late to the party, and made no attempt to actually make up for that by providing services that other sites didn't. Literally its only selling point was "We are not FA", and you can look at the site's activity today to see how well that worked out for them.

InkBunny built its userbase on cub, and now allows AI content with rather strict requirements. FurryNetwork was trying to be a social network with a gallery built in and better video support than its competitors. SoFurry has existed for so long it's part of the furniture, and had a stronger writer community iirc. Weasyl? Weasyl's here, I guess.

Also, agreed on InkBunny being a well built site. Shame about the userbase, and also the user interface.... is questionable. It has a great feature other sites sleep on - the ability to upload multiple files in the same submission. So you'll often get artists who upload dialogue-free versions of pictures under the same submission, or alts of the same pic, without flooding your inbox with a dozen variations of one picture.

 

[Barry Williams]

It has a great feature other sites sleep on - the ability to upload multiple files in the same submission.

SoFurry now has this feature as of its latest redesign, though it is kneecapped somewhat by the retards who use PostyBirb because that doesn't account for multiple files in the same post.

edit: SF also now has a more robust video player itself, and also categories for 3D models and "games" but the Game section is completely empty.

 

[Soda Can]

I can almost guarantee you the games section was due to the pile of people popular in niche interests have been bitching about not having a place to post their games they've been working on for over a decade.

Stuff just bad enough that both itch and steam just say 'nah, keep your money, we don't want it's.

 

[Nimbat Out Of Hell]

Stuff just bad enough that both itch and steam just say 'nah, keep your money, we don't want it's.

itch would happily take any of it until the payment processor mafia stomped their boot on them, if we're being fair

 

[Soda Can]

itch would happily take any of it until the payment processor mafia stomped their boot on them, if we're being fair

Tipping my hand a bit here, look up caroo and rescript. Caroo finally got one game up, on steam no less, after adding a billion filters and removing a large chunk of finished content. Redscript you'll have to work to find more than a few gifs of his still in progress game, as itch said it was too gross, DA banned him, Steam said fuck no and FA.....was ok with it, but he's like pretend furry at best.

Edit: I would be.... cautious when digging on those two. They both take their "thing" to deep extremes.

 

[Coolio55]

Tipping my hand a bit here, look up caroo and rescript. Caroo finally got one game up, on steam no less, after adding a billion filters and removing a large chunk of finished content. Redscript you'll have to work to find more than a few gifs of his still in progress game, as itch said it was too gross, DA banned him, Steam said fuck no and FA.....was ok with it, but he's like pretend furry at best.

Edit: I would be.... cautious when digging on those two. They both take their "thing" to deep extremes.

I'm shocked. FEET is too much for itch.io or even Steam?
Bullshit. I don't believe it.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

I'm shocked. FEET is too much for itch.io or even Steam?
Bullshit. I don't believe it.

Well they are a little upsetting.

 

[Soda Can]

I'm shocked. FEET is too much for itch.io or even Steam?
Bullshit. I don't believe it.

You'll need to dig deeper. Redscript expands into gross stuff and Caroo can get a little extreme even for some sadists. But also don't, those two are rather cracked in the head.

 

[Rozzy]

Exciting news for Bluey fans!

Spoiler

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I'm realizing that Bluey is actually a really good show. The kid's adventure stories are engrossing and when they roleplay as adults they often insert really serious topics as viewed by a child, like a mother with a premie baby that had to be left behind for the night in a warm tank.

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Dude, it's a show for babies lmao
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It's not a kids show, it's a family show. It has deep psychological sucker punches for the adults watching. If you had kids you'd know the difference.

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[wunhunglo]

Does KiwiFarms No1 Bluey fan know about this new product?

Went down a rabbithole https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/friend_of_Bluey
The person who allegedly coined "friend of bluey" https://x.com/IcePup92
What's this on top of their timeline? https://x.com/dlhockeyboy/status/1976504855200960881 archive
They made a cursed babyfur cartoon with songs about pissing your pants, and a video trailer so you can hear that it is really real before you dive into a grain silo to be eaten by rats



https://letterboxd.com/film/dont-be-a-baby/watch/

 

[Barry Williams]

Thank God they didn't use AI in that video otherwise I'd have been really offended.

 

[Cat2 Emoji]

itaku is another one of those FA alternatives that I'll see pop up from time to time, though I don't really know much about it beyond what can be discerned by visiting it. I get the impression that it's run more competently than a lot of their competition, but I also never hear anything about it - I imagine there are a few reasons for that.

 

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Twokinds:

The trannies are having a sad because whenever the tomboy wolf shows up and they go "TRANNY, ARF ARF ARF [SealClap] [tranny flag]" they aren't called stunning and brave enough.

Dear Tom,
I'm writing you this letter on behalf of the Twokinds community, who've grown tired of the rampant transphobia on your Patreon whenever a sketch even tangentially related to Natani is posted, tired of the insults and harassment towards anyone who refers to Natani as a (trans) man, and tired of your indifference towards this issue.
This problem has grown to the point where it negatively influences the reputation of Twokinds and its community. Whenever Twokinds comes up on various forums, I’ve seen users warning others of the community’s transphobia should they read the comic. Trans and LGBTQ+ fans have talked about our community being unwelcoming or outright hostile towards them. This community has brought me together with some of the most wonderful people I know, and it pains me to see this happen to a webcomic and community that I love and has been an important part of my life for several years.
You've stated yourself that you've been on the receiving end of bigotry, and that is part of why you decided to write Twokinds. You know how harming it can be to be discriminated against for something you had no say in, so I ask you to please take this issue seriously instead of dismissing it as something silly. Natani may be fictional, but the trans fans reading the transphobia on your Patreon are real.
Please know that I write this to you because I love and care about Twokinds, its world, characters, and community. I’m grateful that you decided to create and share this wonderful comic of yours to the world, but I cannot in good conscience continue to financially support a creator who turns a blind eye to bigotry. I and several other fans have ended our Patreon subscriptions and will not resubscribe until you take steps to address the transphobia in your Patreon.

https://archive.ph/wip/XexnQ

If you're wondering the kind of harassment, it's them not being cheered on when whenever he appears on the patreon and they make sure to flood the replies with "LOOK A HECKIN' VALID TRANNY"



Behold, le heckin stunnin' and brave male:







And yes, what you're seeing is the same "AlaricLives87" replying instantly to every single post with "DID I MENTION THAT WOLF WITH THE HUGE TITS IS MALE?!?!?!"


Meanwhile, in the actual comic, the character detransitioned (magic bullshit was involved with her being turned "trans" and said bullshit ended). At best you could consider her to be "genderfluid" or some made up bullshit, in reality she's just a tomboy.

Tom, not being stupid, has steadfastly refused to comment either way AND has refused to punish anyone for taking either stance. Which cannot be! Trannies are like Tinkerbell, if you don't give them a standing ovation all the time, they literally die.

 

[Drunken Fox]

Meanwhile, in the actual comic, the character detransitioned (magic bullshit was involved with him being turned "trans" and said bullshit ended).

Now I haven't read TwoKinds in over a decade, but I thought a lot of the Natani stuff was more about gender roles initially. Like she wanted to be seen as a man since people would take her threats more seriously. Keith found out, kept it secret, but the two started falling in love leading to "humorous situations" where it might look to an outsider like they're gay. And then there was a bunch of gender bendy magic that came into play for fun here and there. This is just my memory of reading this over a decade though. So, I could be misremembering it all. I just recall none of it had to do with "transness" since it was written before any of that was mainstream. It was far more about gender roles and appearing as a man to gain respect.

 

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Now I haven't read TwoKinds in over a decade, but I thought a lot of the Natani stuff was more about gender roles initially. Like she wanted to be seen as a man since people would take her threats more seriously. Keith found out, kept it secret, but the two started falling in love leading to "humorous situations" where it might look to an outsider like they're gay. And then there was a bunch of gender bendy magic that came into play for fun here and there. This is just my memory of reading this over a decade though. So, I could be misremembering it all. I just recall none of it had to do with "transness" since it was written before any of that was mainstream. It was far more about gender roles and appearing as a man to gain respect.

Basically Natani's soul got ripped apart in some magic bullshit and in order to keep her alive (and to make the two subservient forever to the local asshole) said local asshole used magic bullshit to connect her soul to her brother's in order to work as a sort of surrogate soul. Thus, this turned her "male" because she was piggybacking off a male soul and any missing / damaged pieces were based on her brother's views on Natani, not Natani's own mind. This occurred long before the start of the comic and IIRC is covered in a side comic he put out for a furry convention.

Then a few hundred pages ago they put an anti-magic device on said brother, which broke the link and immediately put Natani into a coma, since she has no soul.

Only it turns out that over time Natani's soul had healed, and we see said soul: It's female. Natani is female. She has issues with her gender because she considers women to be weaker than men and she's in a very male dominated culture and role (wolf tribe assassin), which is your bog standard gender issues hangup bullshit. Said soul even explains it to Natani -- Natani liked pretending to be a boy but also liked feminine stuff, and a lot of her gender hangups are because Zen saw her as his little sister desperately pretending to be male as a defense mechanism or somesuch bullshit. (E: However having re-read the 930s comics from 2016 I can definitely see where he's trying to thread the needle there and leave it either very open to interpretation or flat out suggest that nah fam she is a pooner.)

At the end of that Natani wakes up because she stops fighting her soul re-integrating with her mind, and IIRC afterwards she starts appreciating and longing for feminine shit like dresses, while still being a tough as nails tomboy.

In other words, Natani detransitioned. But Tom can't say that publicly because his $200,000/month Patreon from horny furries would be attacked and a good chunk of them would leave to avoid being called bad names on FurAffinity / Bluesky, so he doesn't point it out and doesn't take a stance either way. But that's not good enough for the trannies, they HAVE to get CONFIRMATION that their take is correct and the chuds are WRONG.

 

[Nimbat Out Of Hell]

Remember when tomboys could just be tomboys? Now they have to have their souls ripped apart and sewn back together through magic bullshittery just to justify their existence smh

 

[Jonathan Boudalycaon]

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In other words, Natani detransitioned. But Tom can't say that publicly because his $200,000/month Patreon from horny furries would be attacked and a good chunk of them would leave to avoid being called bad names on FurAffinity / Bluesky, so he doesn't point it out and doesn't take a stance either way. But that's not good enough for the trannies, they HAVE to get CONFIRMATION that their take is correct and the chuds are WRONG.

Then each and every month you have broke furries posting fundraisers to help them pay their rent after spending their saved rent money on furry art, comics and commissions instead.